What are our top tradeable assets really worth?

[PerreaultForever]

3 hours ago, nfreeman said:

I doubt anyone has Krebs penciled in as 3C.  I'd guess that if he's here, he's penciled in as 4C with the hope that he develops into a 3C.

No one here for sure, but Adams? idk. I forget which press conference it was but in one of them he said something related to not knowing who would be at center and about Krebs having a chance to earn it. It made me raise an eyebrow at the time. 

Until he brings in a veteran 3C I will remain shall we say, concerned. 

[French Collection]

I don’t know the answer to the thread question but I would like to say it would be nice to find out.

We almost all agree the status quo might work but that is with a lot of things going right.

Moves to bring in proven talent for prospects/picks/players in order to fill holes, improve grit and add depth will get everyone excited and show that ownership/leadership is in playoff or bust mode.

[GASabresIUFAN]

56 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Are you sure that Joki is going to attain the salary that you project him at? What if his contract turns out to be lower? Pick a figure and tell me at what price you would find it worth keeping? I do like Johnson. He did impress me in his stint with Buffalo. And I'm not going to scoff at having depth on the blueline, even if it means that Johnson starts the season in Rochester. 

His Q-offer is 2.6 and the AFP projections are about 3.3 for one year and over 4 for a multi-year deal.  So no, I don't think he is worth keeping at any of these prices.  Moving on from Joki and allowing Johnson to take the 3rd pair with Clifton saves the team 2.4. to 3 mill in cap which then can be utilized to build out an effective 4th line.  

 He had his best year as a pro last season, but KA brought in Byram to be a top 4 D. Time for KA to cash in on that season and move him for the best offer he can get.  We can't keep everyone.  

 

[French Collection]

1 minute ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

His Q-offer is 2.6 and the AFP projections are about 3.3 for one year and over 4 for a multi-year deal.  So no, I don't think he is worth keeping at any of these prices.  Moving on from Joki and allowing Johnson to take the 3rd pair with Clifton saves the team 2.4. to 3 mill in cap which then can be utilized to build out an effective 4th line.  

 He had his best year as a pro last season, but KA brought in Byram to be a top 4 D. Time for KA to cash in on that season and move him for the best offer he can get.  We can't keep everyone.  

 

I wouldn’t shed a tear to see Joki gone. He’s a decent defenseman but not great at any one aspect of the position.

I was impressed with Johnson’s poise for having so little experience. He has room to improve so he could an effective third pairing guy right away and be capable of filling another slot in case of injuries.

[GASabresIUFAN]

3 hours ago, nfreeman said:

I agree that Krebs hasn't seized the opportunity he's been given repeatedly here, and that there's really no reason to be confident he'll ever amount to much.  My point is simply that Krebs was one of the key pieces in the return for Eichel.  GMs typically don't like to give up on a guy in that situation -- and if KA does, it will be because he knows he doesn't have the luxury of "letting the kids develop for another year and seeing how it goes" -- i.e. it will be because his feet are being held to the fire, as they should be.

 

I doubt anyone has Krebs penciled in as 3C.  I'd guess that if he's here, he's penciled in as 4C with the hope that he develops into a 3C.

I don't doubt KA is going to keep Krebs.  I have projected that he'll re-sign him to a 2 year deal @1.25 per season in all my projections on capfriendly and here.  Just because I think that is what KA will do doesn't make it a smart decision for Krebs or the Sabres. 

Krebs, IMHO, needs to an opportunity to play in the top nine on a developing team like SJ, CHI etc....  We don't fit that description anymore with potentially 8 of our top 9 forwards penciled in already with TNT, Tuch, Skinner, Cozens, Benson, JJP, Quinn, & Greenway (or Savoie if he makes the team).  Krebs has already failed at the one open job (3C) and we can't afford to take the risk again in this must make the playoffs season.  

[PerreaultForever]

13 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

I don't doubt KA is going to keep Krebs.  I have projected that he'll re-sign him to a 2 year deal @1.25 per season in all my projections on capfriendly and here.  Just because I think that is what KA will do doesn't make it a smart decision for Krebs or the Sabres. 

Krebs, IMHO, needs to an opportunity to play in the top nine on a developing team like SJ, CHI etc....  We don't fit that description anymore with potentially 8 of our top 9 forwards penciled in already with TNT, Tuch, Skinner, Cozens, Benson, JJP, Quinn, & Greenway (or Savoie if he makes the team).  Krebs has already failed at the one open job (3C) and we can't afford to take the risk again in this must make the playoffs season.  

I'm curious but what about Krebs makes you feel he needs to be in a top 9 role somewhere?

imo what he needs is a sit down with a coach and some hard truth. Kid, you aren't going to be a top forward in this league. You want to stay in this league you can, but you have to learn and embrace the role of who you are. Beef up, work on face offs, keep learning to check and PK, be a pest (but a smart pest) and hit people. You can be a solid 4th line player and you need to embrace it or you'll be riding buses in the AHL until you go to Europe/Russia. 

I still think Krebs can be an effective 4th liner (like Boquist was for Boston this year as an example) but nothing more. 

 

[GASabresIUFAN]

17 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

I'm curious but what about Krebs makes you feel he needs to be in a top 9 role somewhere?

What made Krebs a 1st rd pick was that his skating and passing skills made him an offensive catalyst at all levels up to the NHL.  Even in the AHL Krebs had only 5 goals in 25 games while creating 20 assists.  Taking a kid with that skill set and pigeon holing him as an energy forward with linemates who can't convert passes is a waste.  

To Krebs' credit he has embraced the role.  He actually had over 100 hits last year.  However, he isn't good at faceoffs, isn't good at takeways and doesn't block shots very well.  He's just not a fit as a 4th line forward.  He needs to be utilized where his playmaking skills can develop at the NHL level.  That opportunity no longer exists in Buffalo.  

Edited June 8 by GASabresIUFAN

[PerreaultForever]

1 hour ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

What made Krebs a 1st rd pick was that his skating and passing skills made him an offensive catalyst at all levels up to the NHL.  Even in the AHL Krebs had only 5 goals in 25 games while creating 20 assists.  Taking a kid with that skill set and pigeon holing him as an energy forward with linemates who can't convert passes is a waste.  

To Krebs' credit he has embraced the role.  He actually had over 100 hits last year.  However, he isn't good at faceoffs, isn't good at takeways and doesn't block shots very well.  He's just not a fit as a 4th line forward.  He needs to be utilized where his playmaking skills can develop at the NHL level.  That opportunity no longer exists in Buffalo.  

Which is why I said you sit him down and get him to focus on those skills. Those are the skills that keep him in the league or not. 

I mentioned him being Curtis Lazar and I wasn't just tossing that out there. Go back and look at Lazar's junior career, his draft and his projections. He was a World Junior leader too, just like Krebs. There is a LOT of similarity and that's who Krebs can be, not more. But, like Lazar, he may have to take a step backwards and learn to be that 4th line guy fully rather than aspiring to be what he can never reach. When Lazar came here he'd been given up on and was a waiver level guy. That's Krebs future. 

[Mr Peabody]

8 hours ago, PASabreFan said:

Dahlin is gone. Does your imagination not allow you to see a Sabres franchise that is better? Or one that is about the same? Why would the wheels fall off (wheels? what wheels?)? Why are we married to Rasmus Dahlin? I honestly don't get it.

IMO We’d have to retain salary in a trade so doubt we could help the team.  If any of the top 16 teams could afford him he’d be a difference maker. 

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On 6/8/2024 at 5:51 AM, stinky finger said:

My fear is Adams lack of desperation. 

I believe that is not at all an issue.

Sabres don't make the playoffs this coming season and KA is back to managing the ice rink in Salamanca. 

[Taro T]

On 6/8/2024 at 11:09 AM, nfreeman said:

I agree that Krebs hasn't seized the opportunity he's been given repeatedly here, and that there's really no reason to be confident he'll ever amount to much.  My point is simply that Krebs was one of the key pieces in the return for Eichel.  GMs typically don't like to give up on a guy in that situation -- and if KA does, it will be because he knows he doesn't have the luxury of "letting the kids develop for another year and seeing how it goes" -- i.e. it will be because his feet are being held to the fire, as they should be.

 

I doubt anyone has Krebs penciled in as 3C.  I'd guess that if he's here, he's penciled in as 4C with the hope that he develops into a 3C.

Krebs WAS pencilled in as the 3C after Mittelstadt was traded and he spit the bit.

If as @LGR4GM seems to contend (apologies if it isn't your contention, Liger), Adams is looking for a 4C and not a 3C, then either Krebs or one of Savoie or Kulich HAS to be pencilled into that role.  And just don't see Ruff being fine with having a rookie pencilled into that role on day 1.  So, until an established C is brought it, Krebs is pencilled into that slot, IMHO.

And, Krebs is the one guy on the roster (besides Skinner, who gets to nix any trade package he's a part of, so don't even consider him tradeable) that would be my 1st choice of both having an expectation he'd be traded and wanting to see traded.  Either Krebs is going to be JAG or he'll pull a Mittelstadt and come close to the ceiling he had when he came into the league but don't see that happening this current season.  So, either way, he won't help reach the playoffs THIS YEAR.  Just never saw any sparks of the player he was expected to be after a few glimpses of great passes in his 1st season in Buffalo.  Mitts always had SOME games that you could see the potential was still there and even when most here were down on him still a year ago, there were parts of his game that were actually good.  Personally don't see that from Krebs.

But, another GM very possibly could like Krebs for the pest role and even think that he could get some of the game he had in junior back playing for a coach not named Granato.  Having a pest in the middle 6 could be a poor man's Marchand.  Hopefully some other GM thinks his coach can make that a reality.  Am not convinced it can be.