Buffalonill Posted June 18 Report Share Posted June 18 10 hours ago, sabresparaavida said: To be fair, that’s points on 3 of the 4 oiler goals before game 4. And Gretzky had a much much better supporting cast than McDavid ever has. 6 other hall of famers on those oilers teams compared to McDavid only having Draisaitl. I'm just tired of people comparing him to Gretzky when he hasn't even surpassed Crosby once he starts winning cups then it can start . All he is right now is the greatest regular season player 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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inkman Posted June 18 Report Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, Buffalonill said: I'm just tired of people comparing him to Gretzky when he hasn't even surpassed Crosby once he starts winning cups then it can start . All he is right now is the greatest regular season player Does any league’s fans spend more time tearing down their stars than the NHL? Enjoy the show. These are really talented players performing at a level the league has never seen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabresparaavida Posted June 18 Report Share Posted June 18 (edited) 2 hours ago, Buffalonill said: I'm just tired of people comparing him to Gretzky when he hasn't even surpassed Crosby once he starts winning cups then it can start . All he is right now is the greatest regular season player Nobody says that he is as good as Gretzky. But he is the closest thing in the modern league, which is why there are comparisons. McDavid at 27 has lead the league in scoring 5 times, and while he likely doesn’t catch Gretzky’s 11, he only needs 2 more to have second place, which he’s fairly likely to do. McDavid isn’t just a regular season player, leading the league in the postseason 2 of the last 3 seasons. But it takes a team to win a cup. Gretzky was great, but so were the teams he was on for the cup wins. If he could do it by himself, why didn’t he win one in his 12 seasons away from the Oilers? The Oilers still won a cup in 1990 without Gretzky. Edited June 18 by sabresparaavida 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted June 18 Report Share Posted June 18 38 minutes ago, sabresparaavida said: Nobody says that he is as good as Gretzky. But he is the closest thing in the modern league, which is why there are comparisons. McDavid at 27 has lead the league in scoring 5 times, and while he likely doesn’t catch Gretzky’s 11, he only needs 2 more to have second place, which he’s fairly likely to do. McDavid isn’t just a regular season player, leading the league in the postseason 2 of the last 3 seasons. But it takes a team to win a cup. Gretzky was great, but so were the teams he was on for the cup wins. If he could do it by himself, why didn’t he win one in his 12 seasons away from the Oilers? The Oilers still won a cup in 1990 without Gretzky. Who would you take Prime Crosby or McDavid for the finals? That's all that needs to be said 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabresparaavida Posted June 18 Report Share Posted June 18 3 hours ago, Buffalonill said: Who would you take Prime Crosby or McDavid for the finals? That's all that needs to be said I’d take McDavid. Analytically, at 5 on 5, he slightly edges Crosby out straight up in the postseason, and when you take into account team relative analytics, McDavid is the more impactful player by a notable amount. On the Power play, McDavid has a bigger advantage, and on the PK they are both similar. McDavid also has already surpassed Crosby’s career PK time in the postseason. Put McDavid on those Penguins teams and the win at least the same amount of cups. Crosby on the Oilers would be at 0 still. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted June 18 Report Share Posted June 18 Crosby “looks” like a better playoff performer because he is probably the best grinder to ever play the game. Noone could do the dirty work and collect points quite like Crosby. McDavids game is much more speed and dangle. It’s hard to directly compare the two, and McDavid’s cup runs are just really starting so it’s too early to say how he’ll be remembered playing the biggest games. But he surely has the talent and drive to be a major presence on that stage. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted June 18 Report Share Posted June 18 39 minutes ago, sabresparaavida said: I’d take McDavid. Analytically, at 5 on 5, he slightly edges Crosby out straight up in the postseason, and when you take into account team relative analytics, McDavid is the more impactful player by a notable amount. On the Power play, McDavid has a bigger advantage, and on the PK they are both similar. McDavid also has already surpassed Crosby’s career PK time in the postseason. Put McDavid on those Penguins teams and the win at least the same amount of cups. Crosby on the Oilers would be at 0 still. You clearly forgot who prime crosby was he blows McDavid out of the water defensively and it's not even close sure McDavid would outscore him but having Crosby 2 way game likely changes the series Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted June 18 Report Share Posted June 18 9 minutes ago, Buffalonill said: You clearly forgot who prime crosby was he blows McDavid out of the water defensively and it's not even close sure McDavid would outscore him but having Crosby 2 way game likely changes the series Do you think Crosby on this Edmonton team makes a difference in the outcome? I really don’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 18 Report Share Posted June 18 5 hours ago, inkman said: Does any league’s fans spend more time tearing down their stars than the NHL? Enjoy the show. These are really talented players performing at a level the league has never seen. All leagues have fans that do that. Greatness breads envy etc etc LeBron is loved, and hated 4 hours ago, Buffalonill said: Who would you take Prime Crosby or McDavid for the finals? That's all that needs to be said Crosby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 18 Report Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, Weave said: Crosby “looks” like a better playoff performer because he is probably the best grinder to ever play the game. Noone could do the dirty work and collect points quite like Crosby. McDavids game is much more speed and dangle. It’s hard to directly compare the two, and McDavid’s cup runs are just really starting so it’s too early to say how he’ll be remembered playing the biggest games. But he surely has the talent and drive to be a major presence on that stage. Crosby is a Selke level defensive player and McDavid stinks on D i am the guy defending McDavid in the thread, too. He doesn’t / didn’t fold and he may be the most talented player to ever play the game he’s got a ways to go to catch Sid in terms of greatness though, and Sid’s dominance 200 foot is a big part of what led to his accomplishments 18 minutes ago, Weave said: Do you think Crosby on this Edmonton team makes a difference in the outcome? I really don’t. Nah, Crosby is assuredly “that guy” if he doesn’t make a difference no one does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted June 18 Report Share Posted June 18 17 minutes ago, Thorny said: All leagues have fans that do that. Greatness breads envy etc etc LeBron is loved, and hated Crosby. Envy bread, yum. (Much tastier than sour grapes, but maybe not as good as having YOUR cake (especially when one gets to eat it too).) 😜 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted June 18 Report Share Posted June 18 Young Crosby and Vet Crosby are great, early 2010’s Crosby was a drama queen with a penchant for injuries and being goaded into stupidity between whistles. Then around 2014 he seemed to have a Eureka moment and figured out that he doesn’t need to fight Flyers players; just go through them and score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted June 18 Report Share Posted June 18 (edited) I know I sound like a McDavid hater I'm not Maybe someday he will hit that level but Prime Crosby Just Hits this switch and he makes it moments and history Edited June 18 by Buffalonill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted June 18 Report Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, Weave said: Do you think Crosby on this Edmonton team makes a difference in the outcome? I really don’t. His defense game was something else back in his prime days if McDavid had his instincts they would easily won the series Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gomper Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 Lomberg in tonight. You know he'll run a few Oilers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimlach Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 (edited) She missed some words at the end of the Anthem. Edited June 19 by Pimlach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimlach Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 Oilers are playing a physical series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 Not going to win making the same mistakes all if the time on the power play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 Early, but starting to look like Florida might blow this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 Just now, PerreaultForever said: Early, but starting to look like Florida might blow this. I've seen this story before and then they win 4-1 lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 Just now, PerreaultForever said: Early, but starting to look like Florida might blow this. Was thinking the same. If they don't finish tonight.....**gulp** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 10 minutes ago, Pimlach said: Oilers are playing a physical series. EDM laying the lumber fo sho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 Florida typically starts a game slow. It's a matter of whether they can pick it up faster than the other team seizes the momentum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatorman0519 Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 The Panthers look like the Sabres the past game and a half. Shocking turn around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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