KO knew very early we didn’t have it - something was missing

[That Aud Smell]

2 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:

After my cremation I want OSP engraved on my tombstone.

Is that yours? If not you - who? GODD?

[That Aud Smell]

10 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

There is an enormous gap that exists between giving no grace to a franchise that has floundered for 13 seasons (quite reasonable) and beating up on the character of a 23 year old because he dared to post a photo of himself relaxing with a cocktail (quite unreasonable). Carry on as you wish though. 

Oh, I will. Carryin’ on like a muhfugger. Carry on, my wayward son. I’m gonna carry that weight a long time.

And, of course, I wasn’t beating up on Cozens’ character (although I did chuckle when others chirped his concave chest). I was making a (far?) more nuanced point - albeit inchoate.

Also, it was Tommy Dangles and his wonky back, not Cozzie, who posted the picture.

Finally, it’s my Old Man Yells at Cloud Era when I wince at anyone here unironically using a team nickname for any of our players.

Edited May 28 by That Aud Smell

[That Aud Smell]

Checked his IG. Tommy Dangles is now Tommer97.

A change is gonna come!

[ska-T Palmtown]

1 hour ago, That Aud Smell said:

My favourite bit of Sabrespace lore is, of course, @deluca67 .500. I use it in real life all the time — where I call it “true 500.”

And, in the truth of the chillsbros take, there is a kernel of joke.

And, as is common with most lore, much of the original meaning has been lost. If I recall, your original point was not just pool-side chillaxin', but caption (from Tage, not Cozzie) about a big $7M contract. While certainly less offensive than him throwing around "phat stax of cash" lounging on the hood of some mega sports car, I think the perception of a potential "I've made it" attitude was an originally valid point to of discussion.

The only part that has ever bothered me (and not from @That Aud Smell's Lore's origin story) is the implications or outright statements that these athletes are not allowed to enjoy their union negotiated down time. It would, however, be a bit uncouth to post "vacay" picks while the playoffs are still ongoing. I am a GenX / Millennial cusper, so perhaps there is some "generational differences" at work here?

[Pimlach]

1 hour ago, Archie Lee said:

There is an enormous gap that exists between giving no grace to a franchise that has floundered for 13 seasons (quite reasonable) and beating up on the character of a 23 year old because he dared to post a photo of himself relaxing with a cocktail (quite unreasonable). Carry on as you wish though. 

I have no problem with him vacationing.  It’s normal and necessary.   Now that I saw him without a shirt on, it’s clear he needs to  pack some muscle on that frame.   It’s not easy to keep weight on while playing hockey, and know one wants him to get slower, so he needs to do something this summer.   

[JohnC]

12 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

I have no problem with him vacationing.  It’s normal and necessary.   Now that I saw him without a shirt on, it’s clear he needs to  pack some muscle on that frame.   It’s not easy to keep weight on while playing hockey, and know one wants him to get slower, so he needs to do something this summer.   

I'm not commenting on how he looks and what his upper body physique should look like. What I can say is that last season Dahlin exhibited as much physicality as any player on the team. He certainly didn't always throw his weight around. You really wouldn't want anyone who was such a central and skilled player for us indiscriminately doing that. But from what I observed, he was not a passive player on the ice.  

Your point is well taken that it is difficult to keep weight and tone on during the long and grinding season. And most of the physical is done in the offseason. So I'm sure he will soon get back into training. As a related side note: I have often heard that Jeff Skinner is one of the hardest training players in the offseason. 

[PerreaultForever]

21 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I'm not commenting on how he looks and what his upper body physique should look like. What I can say is that last season Dahlin exhibited as much physicality as any player on the team. He certainly didn't always throw his weight around. You really wouldn't want anyone who was such a central and skilled player for us indiscriminately doing that. But from what I observed, he was not a passive player on the ice.  

Your point is well taken that it is difficult to keep weight and tone on during the long and grinding season. And most of the physical is done in the offseason. So I'm sure he will soon get back into training. As a related side note: I have often heard that Jeff Skinner is one of the hardest training players in the offseason. 

why not?

47 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

I have no problem with him vacationing.  It’s normal and necessary.   Now that I saw him without a shirt on, it’s clear he needs to  pack some muscle on that frame.   It’s not easy to keep weight on while playing hockey, and know one wants him to get slower, so he needs to do something this summer.   

Yup. Too many skinny scrawny kids on this roster in general (and more in Rochester). If they don't already have a specialist hired they should get one to work with all these guys adding muscle. Cozens is a beanpole. 

[That Aud Smell]

55 minutes ago, ska-T Chitown said:

The only part that has ever bothered me (and not from @That Aud Smell's Lore's origin story) is the implications or outright statements that these athletes are not allowed to enjoy their union negotiated down time.

Whomst so implied? Whomst said such a thing? 

Never would I ever.

Did thoust so infer?

[...]

1 hour ago, That Aud Smell said:

Checked his IG. Tommy Dangles is now Tommer97.

A change is gonna come!

Never. He'll always be Tommy Dangles to me.

[JohnC]

4 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

why not?

 

Dahlin is arguably the best player on the team. I want him more involved in the play than being sidetracked with non-productive hitting. As I said in my prior post, he does play a physical game. But he does it in a judicious and game related manner. Playing a reckless and non-focused hitting game is going to get him more time in the penalty box and keep our best off the ice more. The opposition would love that!

[...]

10 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Yup. Too many skinny scrawny kids on this roster in general (and more in Rochester). If they don't already have a specialist hired they should get one to work with all these guys adding muscle. Cozens is a beanpole. 

Easily solved by the team adopting the Carnivore Diet. Sure, their tinkle might be super dark and pungent, but they'll have dense and robust muscle-age.

[That Aud Smell]

Just now, ... said:

Easily solved by the team adopting the Carnivore Diet. Sure, their tinkle might be super dark and pungent, but they'll have dense and robust muscle-age.

[PerreaultForever]

3 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Dahlin is arguably the best player on the team. I want him more involved in the play than being sidetracked with non-productive hitting. As I said in my prior post, he does play a physical game. But he does it in a judicious and game related manner. Playing a reckless and non-focused hitting game is going to get him more time in the penalty box and keep our best off the ice more. The opposition would love that!

That philosophy is what I have an issue with, especially if you want him to be a leader. You shouldn't really designate this guy to that or not that. You don't want him dropping the gloves very often (if at all) but being physical? I see no reason for him not to and a penalty here or there so what? Good rest for him. If your star leader plays hard it becomes infectious and vice versa. He has the size to be just as physical as a guy like McAvoy and that shouldn't hamper his offense at all. Might even open up more ice for himself as he gains respect. 

[PerreaultForever]

8 minutes ago, ... said:

Easily solved by the team adopting the Carnivore Diet. Sure, their tinkle might be super dark and pungent, but they'll have dense and robust muscle-age.

I hear what you're saying, but as a fish eating vegetarian I must object. 

This marathon runner is strictly vegan for example.

 

[ska-T Palmtown]

All this misplaced machismo about upper body constitution of hockey players, I submit as exhibit A, the best hockey player on the planet right now:

For players looking to do fast quick motions with their stick, muscle mass can actually be a hinderance. Weight training (generally) trains your slow twitch muscles which would likely be seen as a detriment to the insanely fast motions these guys need to perform. 

Sidney Crosby is 5'-11" and 200 lb. Why is he so hard to play against? Is it is 24" biceps (shoutout to all my Hulkamaniacs out there!), no. It is his tree trunk legs and insane core strength. I am trying to limit my searches of shirtless men (all people, really) on my work computer, but I feel confident Sid is not a beast, either.

At 5'-10" and 5'-11", respectively, if Benson and Crosby were standing more than a foot apart in the same room, you would have a hard time telling who is taller.

My theory is that many of the Sabres players have never been properly coached (or they just refuse to do it?) on how to play with proper positioning, leverage, and angles (PLA ... can I get that as a trademarked thingy?). Connor Clifton is 5'-11" and 175 lbs (on wiki, anyway) and he knows how to hit. My corollary is that Sabre-Spacers see the lack of proper PLA and think they are "too small" or "too weak".

[ska-T Palmtown]

45 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:

Whomst so implied? Whomst said such a thing? 

Never would I ever.

Did thoust so infer?

Dang ... I even tried real hard to exempt you as being the source of my current state of being triggered 🙂

Many credits (people are saying all the credit, really) was given to you for focusing more on the message than the pic, itself. I believe it was those whomst doth piled on after thou that hadst changed the meaning of the Lore of The Chill Bros.

If I accidentally implied otherwise, my humblest apologies! 

[That Aud Smell]

4 minutes ago, ska-T Chitown said:

All this misplaced machismo about upper body constitution of hockey players, I submit as exhibit A, the best hockey player on the planet right now:

Dude looks solid.

Hockey players are almost always surprisingly skin and bone types. Back before the Harborcenter Marriott, I used to see just about every visiting team when they came to town. It always struck me how slight they looked -- Dickensian --  like a stiff breeze might knock them down. What a grueling sport.

That other picture posted upthread prompted concern that rainwater might pool on our 2C's chest.

[ska-T Palmtown]

1 minute ago, That Aud Smell said:

Dude looks solid.

Hockey players are almost always surprisingly skin and bone types. Back before the Harborcenter Marriott, I used to see just about every visiting team when they came to town. It always struck me how slight they looked -- Dickensian --  like a stiff breeze might knock them down. What a grueling sport.

That other picture posted upthread prompted concern that rainwater might pool on our 2C's chest.

As a recovering "concave chest" sufferer, I can confirm that developing a slight semblance of chest muscles did nothing to help my hockey game. Although, that is likely 99% attributed to my general lack of physical prowess at anything other than video games and drinking whiskey - lol.

[That Aud Smell]

6 minutes ago, ska-T Chitown said:

Dang ... I even tried real hard to exempt you as being the source of my current state of being triggered 🙂

Many credits (people are saying all the credit, really) was given to you for focusing more on the message than the pic, itself. I believe it was those whomst doth piled on after thou that hadst changed the meaning of the Lore of The Chill Bros.

If I accidentally implied otherwise, my humblest apologies! 

Please do not thusly encourage my bullsh1t.

[ska-T Palmtown]

3 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:

Please do not thusly encourage my bullsh1t.

My motivations are purely selfish - it has been much doom and even more gloom here (and rightfully so), but I am an optimistic and playful person by nature so I look for chances to have fun.

[...]

1 hour ago, ska-T Chitown said:

All this misplaced machismo about upper body constitution of hockey players, I submit as exhibit A, the best hockey player on the planet right now:

For players looking to do fast quick motions with their stick, muscle mass can actually be a hinderance. Weight training (generally) trains your slow twitch muscles which would likely be seen as a detriment to the insanely fast motions these guys need to perform. 

Sidney Crosby is 5'-11" and 200 lb. Why is he so hard to play against? Is it is 24" biceps (shoutout to all my Hulkamaniacs out there!), no. It is his tree trunk legs and insane core strength. I am trying to limit my searches of shirtless men (all people, really) on my work computer, but I feel confident Sid is not a beast, either.

At 5'-10" and 5'-11", respectively, if Benson and Crosby were standing more than a foot apart in the same room, you would have a hard time telling who is taller.

My theory is that many of the Sabres players have never been properly coached (or they just refuse to do it?) on how to play with proper positioning, leverage, and angles (PLA ... can I get that as a trademarked thingy?). Connor Clifton is 5'-11" and 175 lbs (on wiki, anyway) and he knows how to hit. My corollary is that Sabre-Spacers see the lack of proper PLA and think they are "too small" or "too weak".

 

What you're saying is that they need MMA training. Ever tangle with a Super lightweight MMA dude? They have all of what you're describing.

 

[French Collection]

Keep in mind that the picture of Cozens is from Feb.’23. He has probably added 1.5 pounds of muscle mass since.

[GASabresIUFAN]

Do you know what the Sabres were missing last year Kyle? Real leadership.

[JohnC]

4 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

That philosophy is what I have an issue with, especially if you want him to be a leader. You shouldn't really designate this guy to that or not that. You don't want him dropping the gloves very often (if at all) but being physical? I see no reason for him not to and a penalty here or there so what? Good rest for him. If your star leader plays hard it becomes infectious and vice versa. He has the size to be just as physical as a guy like McAvoy and that shouldn't hamper his offense at all. Might even open up more ice for himself as he gains respect. 

What are you talking about? I never said he shouldn't be physical. In fact, I said the opposite. He did to a greater extent play more physically than most of the other players on the roster. The point that I made that you misinterpreted is that he was usually smart when deciding to more physically engage, and when not to. 

[PerreaultForever]

4 hours ago, JohnC said:

What are you talking about? I never said he shouldn't be physical. In fact, I said the opposite. He did to a greater extent play more physically than most of the other players on the roster. The point that I made that you misinterpreted is that he was usually smart when deciding to more physically engage, and when not to. 

You were worried about him sitting in the penalty box and whatnot. I couldn't care less if he gets 30 minutes of penalty time each night (exaggerating obviously) that means he can still be on the ice the other 30. 

I want hockey players on this team. Players who aren't afraid of anything. Dahlin needs to lead with toughness, not shy away from it.