Respect the Ref?

[Stoner]

Where's it written that it's supposed to even out?

[inkman]

Well according to penalty stats (not including offsetting penalties), the Sabres are due for 7 more PP than the Sens (SABRES: 26, SENS: 19) ... PLUS two 5 on 3. Come on now, 7 more penalties called on the Sabres!! Thats a little over the top. Reffing sure as hell better even out.

 

I hate to sound like a penis, but has the word officiating left the English language.

[minuteman]

Blaming a loss on a ref when you recieve more PP minutes than the opposing team is weak... Why not blame your power play's ineffectiveness when you do recieve it, or your inability to beat the goal tender in 5 on 5 play. Quit whining and start using your head

 

 

No doubt the Sabres cannot blame the refs as their sole source of problems in the series, but how can anyone other than a die hard Senators fan deny that the officiating has gone Ottawa's way in every game of this series?

 

As others have noted, Buffalo has been called for 62 mins in penalties, and Ottawa 48. More importantly, they were also given power plays in the final two minutes of game 2 and 3, and they were given two questionable 5-3's and none for the Sabres.

 

When a team is already down a man, normally the refs let borderline/marginal stuff slide, but not when it comes to the Sabres. I think the bottom line is that, during this series, more than half the time the whistle is blown for a Sabres penalty, the average viewer doesn't even know who the call was on or for what. Lots of behind the play calls, lots of borderline stuff. Basically whenever an Ottawa player falls over, we are penalized. Most of Ottawa's penalties have been fairly obvious.

 

Then again, Buffalo teams never seem to get much breaks when it comes to things like this. Nonetheless, we are still going to win this series, because the Sabres have heart, Ottawa is just a perennial underachiever.

[apuszczalowski]

And since when is there a rule that if the goalie puts a puck up into the netting, its still in play?

 

In the Second, Miller sent the puck off his stick and into the netting above the glass and when the puck dropped back in everyone was waiting for the whistle, instead the refs let it go and play continued in the Buffalo end.

[MartyHavlatismyGOD]

And since when is there a rule that if the goalie puts a puck up into the netting, its still in play?

 

In the Second, Miller sent the puck off his stick and into the netting above the glass and when the puck dropped back in everyone was waiting for the whistle, instead the refs let it go and play continued in the Buffalo end.

 

That must have been the refs trying to screw the sabers over... Because they always try to do that

[apuszczalowski]

They always try to do what?

 

The sabres always try to put the puck into the net in their own zone? Last night was the first time I had seen them do that

 

or

 

The refs allow the puck to come back into play after going out of play? Yet again, would be the first time I have seen that happen

[SHAAAUGHT!!!]

Gary Bettman I am not, but I'll throw my 2 cents in. JP retaliated to a cheap but none-the-less gray area type play that the officials weren't calling. Face washes, elbows and fininshed checks were the norm and our team cowered in the corner and called for mommy to help. Sometimes, you need to be a man and INITIATE the contact not duck and dodge it.

 

 

JP was mad that the guy jammed his stick into his abdomen. It was very well disguised, but the guy obviously had the stick under JP and lifted up as JP went down. It was dirty, and it hurts getting a stick pressed against your rib cage like that - I imagine more so after a sports hernia surgery. I would have rather see JP wait for revenge and slash him in the calfs or get a stick up later on in the game when the refs weren't looking, but to each his own.

[Eleven]

Blaming a loss on a ref when you recieve more PP minutes than the opposing team is weak... Why not blame your power play's ineffectiveness when you do recieve it, or your inability to beat the goal tender in 5 on 5 play. Quit whining and start using your head

 

Tell you what: I saw the same crap--much of it from Neil--in Game 3. Sabs didn't lose that one.

[inkman]

JP was mad that the guy jammed his stick into his abdomen. It was very well disguised, but the guy obviously had the stick under JP and lifted up as JP went down. It was dirty, and it hurts getting a stick pressed against your rib cage like that - I imagine more so after a sports hernia surgery. I would have rather see JP wait for revenge and slash him in the calfs or get a stick up later on in the game when the refs weren't looking, but to each his own.

 

I missed that. (I was hammered so I missed a lot) I guess it would be hard to fault the guy. Their is a line, and going after an injury is over it. I wish he would have dropped the gloves and landed a few. It was Smolinski, right?

[ddaryl]

The elbows...The obstruction...the blatent "I know I'm going to get away with this" roughing that went on the entire game.

 

Fraser knew exactly what he was doing.

 

 

I agree, the game was loosened, and it representes the old NHL style more so then the new in the way the game was allowed to be played.

 

 

BUT LET's FACE 1 VERY BIG FACT !!!!

 

The NHL, as a league, and as individual teams make a heluva alot less money when a series is a sweep. Money talks, and a very big part of me believes the NHL made sure Ottowa had the upper hand to help ensure the sweep did not happen.

 

There is just way too much money lost for the league when a sweep occurs.

[Eleven]

I agree, the game was loosened, and it representes the old NHL style more so then the new in the way the game was allowed to be played.

BUT LET's FACE 1 VERY BIG FACT !!!!

 

The NHL, as a league, and as individual teams make a heluva alot less money when a series is a sweep. Money talks, and a very big part of me believes the NHL made sure Ottowa had the upper hand to help ensure the sweep did not happen.

 

There is just way too much money lost for the league when a sweep occurs.

 

I can't buy into any conspiracy theory; I just can't. But do refs get paid by the game in the postseason? In that case, there may be something going on subconsicously.

[Kristian]

That must have been the refs trying to screw the sabers over... Because they always try to do that

 

You know, you started out sounding pretty level-headed and like a hockeyfan in general, but lately all you've been doing is prove yourself a troll.

 

No need for that on this board or any board for that matter, so I'll make you a deal : You don't troll on our board, and I won't troll on yours. Sound fair enough to you? Does to me.

[LALALALALALAFONTAINE]

That must have been the refs trying to screw the sabers over... Because they always try to do that

 

Then explain why no penalty was called on the Senatros when the Senatro who jumped on the ice to replace Sieve did so when Sieve was about 50 feet from the bench.

 

From RULE 17:

 

(NOTE 2) When a goalkeeper leaves his goal area and proceeds to his

players' bench for the purpose of substituting another player, the

skater cannot enter the playing surface before the goalkeeper is within

five feet (5') of the bench. If the substitution is made prematurely,

the official shall stop the play immediately unless the non-offending

Team has possession of the puck in which event the stoppage will be

delayed until the puck changes hands.

 

There shall be no time penalty to the Team making the premature

substitution, but the resulting face-off will take place at the center

ice face-off spot when play is stopped beyond the center red line. When

play is stopped prior to the center red line, the resulting face-off

shall be conducted at the point where the play was stopped.

 

b. If by reason of insufficient playing time remaining, or by reason of

penalties already imposed, a bench minor penalty is imposed for

deliberate illegal substitution (too many men on the ice) which cannot

be served in its entirety within the legal playing time, or at any time

in overtime, a penalty shot shall be awarded against the offending Team.

 

Why did the crosscheck against Afinogenov not get called?

 

Perhaps you're right and it is only incompetence.