Respect the Ref?

[Allan in MD]

You are supposed to respect the ref, especially if he has longevity and stature, like Kerry Fraser. After his call on the penalty leading to the winning goal, I've lost any semblance of respect for this guy. He's just another prima donna pronouncing the game as "his." And he certainly made it his with that unreal call. Anytime a player heads into the boards, he is going to break. If someone gets in the way of his break skate, they may go down. It happens all the time. To call a tripping penalty on this is ludicrous, and stupid, especially at a critical juncture of a game. Whether it costs a team a game, as it did tonight, is not really the point. Incompetent officiating, big name or not, is what it's all about.

 

Some things never change.

[BuffalOhio]

You are supposed to respect the ref, especially if he has longevity and stature, like Kerry Fraser. After his call on the penalty leading to the winning goal, I've lost any semblance of respect for this guy. He's just another prima donna pronouncing the game as "his." And he certainly made it his with that unreal call. Anytime a player heads into the boards, he is going to break. If someone gets in the way of his break skate, they may go down. It happens all the time. To call a tripping penalty on this is ludicrous, and stupid, especially at a critical juncture of a game. Whether it costs a team a game, as it did tonight, is not really the point. Incompetent officiating, big name or not, is what it's all about.

 

Some things never change.

 

I hate Fraser, too, but that was a legitimate call. Roy tripped him. I would've called it, too.

 

I am sick of seeing Sabres get plastered without the puck and not getting calls. That's just plain horseshi...... :angry:

[GGM]

The elbows...The obstruction...the blatent "I know I'm going to get away with this" roughing that went on the entire game.

 

Fraser knew exactly what he was doing.

[Orange Seats]

What gets me is that guys are getting iinjured out there, the hits after the whistle, getting punched or knocked down at the end of the period... if Bettman is interested in this new nhl thing we keep having to hear about, this brute crap isn't going to do it for it him. . . even if it gets your Sens/Sabres series on NBC.

[GGM]

What gets me is that guys are getting iinjured out there, the hits after the whistle, getting punched or knocked down at the end of the period... if Bettman is interested in this new nhl thing we keep having to hear about, this brute crap isn't going to do it for it him. . . even if it gets your Sens/Sabres series on NBC.

Exactly...It's the damn REASON the NHL isn't more competitive in the American sports fan arena. Their league isn't above sleezeball tactics - whether it be overlooking incompetent officiating, or showing any semblence of an "intrest" in the outcome of games for financial reasons.

 

I mean, who here can stand the diving in soccer? That's not gamesmenship, it's garbage. And I played soccer all the way through college.

 

This too will eventually go the way of the old NHL. Unfortunately, it hasn't gone yet.

[ThePolishSabre]

What the NHL needs is a few bad calls that screw a player and the team over, and then have a that player flip out and smash his stick right across the refs face. Maybe then the REFS will get the message, but doubt it since they didn't learn from the Bertuzzi hit. But then again, it's different if it happenes to one of your own.

[MartyHavlatismyGOD]

Blaming a loss on a ref when you recieve more PP minutes than the opposing team is weak... Why not blame your power play's ineffectiveness when you do recieve it, or your inability to beat the goal tender in 5 on 5 play. Quit whining and start using your head

[rickshaw]

poster who's God is a player who kicks other with skates on......

 

the reffing was OLD NHL tonight.

 

Sens got away with it, good on them. They were very lucky to not be down 5-3 when Max was blatantly crosschecked.

 

Anyone could see that the Sens were getting away with a lot, even Sens fans.

 

It's over, not use crying about it, but call a spade a spade. Ottawa deserved a lot more penalties than they got.

[MartyHavlatismyGOD]

Sabres likely did as well. Reffing evens itself out - whether you have the level head to see it or not.

[inkman]

Blaming a loss on a ref when you recieve more PP minutes than the opposing team is weak... Why not blame your power play's ineffectiveness when you do recieve it, or your inability to beat the goal tender in 5 on 5 play. Quit whining and start using your head

 

I don't blame the loss on the Officiating. I blame the Sabres for not playing the same game as Ottawa did. If Fraser is going to allow it, get your elbows high on every check, as the Sens did. Finish all your checks, even if they are 10 feet away from the puck 2 seconds after it has vacated the player's area. Punch everyone in the face, in front of both goaltenders, whom you have just whacked with your stick 7 or 8 times. If the Sabres do those things, I'll like their chances.

[Spandrel]

I don't blame the loss on the Officiating. I blame the Sabres for not playing the same game as Ottawa did. If Fraser is going to allow it, get your elbows high on every check, as the Sens did. Finish all your checks, even if they are 10 feet away from the puck 2 seconds after it has vacated the player's area. Punch everyone in the face, in front of both goaltenders, whom you have just whacked with your stick 7 or 8 times. If the Sabres do those things, I'll like their chances.

 

 

I agree completely. In another message here, I state that it sucks to have to change your game to suit the way the game is being called, but if your bottom line is to win, you do what you need to do, and make the adjustments. If the refs are calling a "loose" game, then so be it. Take advantage of the situation instead of being the victim. Sounds like the Sens did that last night and did what they needed to do to get this game back to their place.

[GGM]

I agree completely. In another message here, I state that it sucks to have to change your game to suit the way the game is being called, but if your bottom line is to win, you do what you need to do, and make the adjustments. If the refs are calling a "loose" game, then so be it. Take advantage of the situation instead of being the victim. Sounds like the Sens did that last night and did what they needed to do to get this game back to their place.

I seem to remember J.P. doing exactly that, and Kerry right there to send him off for roughing.

[Kevbeau]

Sabres likely did as well. Reffing evens itself out - whether you have the level head to see it or not.

 

Agreed. The refs putting the whistles away got the Sens in Game 3. Affected the Sabres last night.

 

Anyone see Teppo cross check the ref late in the 3rd? To bad I was watching OLN....was sure it would have won the Carubba Collision .

[Spandrel]

I seem to remember J.P. doing exactly that, and Kerry right there to send him off for roughing.

 

I'm not so sure I'm in a big hurry to watch the TiVo of last night's game at home, any more. It sounds like an invitation to frustration, especially knowing the outcome.

[Kristian]

Agreed. The refs putting the whistles away got the Sens in Game 3. Affected the Sabres last night.

 

Anyone see Teppo cross check the ref late in the 3rd? To bad I was watching OLN....was sure it would have won the Carubba Collision .

 

Yeah, one of my favorite plays last night.

 

He was chasing an icing puck, and the ref got in the way. Fairly sure he won't do that again :D

[GGM]

Yeah, one of my favorite plays last night.

 

He was chasing an icing puck, and the ref got in the way. Fairly sure he won't do that again :D

It was a linesman, which was probably a little displacement...But they were getting in the way all night, and weren't particularly good either.

[mrjsbu96]

Agreed. The refs putting the whistles away got the Sens in Game 3. Affected the Sabres last night.

 

Anyone see Teppo cross check the ref late in the 3rd? To bad I was watching OLN....was sure it would have won the Carubba Collision .

 

 

that guy that tempo cross-checked was linesman Tim Nowak....who is a Buffalo native.

[BRH]

I seem to remember J.P. doing exactly that, and Kerry right there to send him off for roughing.

Ding ding ding.

 

Ottawa kept doing it because they kept getting away with it.

 

I didn't see the same dispensation being granted to the Sabres by Lord Fraser.

 

that guy that tempo cross-checked was linesman Tim Nowak....who is a Buffalo native.

With a name like that he would HAVE to be. :D

[RayFinkle]

Sabres likely did as well. Reffing evens itself out - whether you have the level head to see it or not.

Really? I must have missed the two five on threes the Sabres had......

[inkman]

I seem to remember J.P. doing exactly that, and Kerry right there to send him off for roughing.

 

Gary Bettman I am not, but I'll throw my 2 cents in. JP retaliated to a cheap but none-the-less gray area type play that the officials weren't calling. Face washes, elbows and fininshed checks were the norm and our team cowered in the corner and called for mommy to help. Sometimes, you need to be a man and INITIATE the contact not duck and dodge it.

[Stoner]

Come on Ray! It's been over 12 hours since the game. Time to get your wits about you. Officiating did not cost us the game. We went to sleep in the first period, took some more bad penalties and couldn't beat a hot goaltender when we did wake up.

[GGM]

Gary Bettman I am not, but I'll throw my 2 cents in. JP retaliated to a cheap but none-the-less gray area type play that the officials weren't calling. Face washes, elbows and fininshed checks were the norm and our team cowered in the corner and called for mommy to help. Sometimes, you need to be a man and INITIATE the contact not duck and dodge it.

I realize what you are saying, and it is true to some extent. The problem I have is: Why do the Sabres have to walk some fine line between call/no call while -

 

a) It has been clearly spelled out in the rules, the memos, the media, etc. that there is no "line"...It's all supposed to be called, and -

 

b) The Senators get to decide where that "line" is (in our building)?

[inkman]

I realize what you are saying, and it is true to some extent. The problem I have is: Why do the Sabres have to walk some fine line between call/no call while -

 

a) It has been clearly spelled out in the rules, the memos, the media, etc. that there is no "line"...It's all supposed to be called, and -

 

b) The Senators get to decide where that "line" is (in our building)?

 

a)It certainly was BS as to how far the rules had been reverted to old school NHL.

 

b)I think this is where the Sabres could have helped themselves. True, the Sens were in our house, but they were bringing their game to us and we weren't responding with our best effort.

[GGM]

b)I think this is where the Sabres could have helped themselves. True, the Sens were in our house, but they were bringing their game to us and we weren't responding with our best effort.

The Sens certainly took it to us early and often. You're right about Buffalo not setting the tone for the game at all. It really affected how the rest of the game came to pass. The giveaways smacked of nerves, and the early hits seemed to get into the Sabres' heads.

[MillerTyme]

Reffing evens itself out - whether you have the level head to see it or not.

 

Well according to penalty stats (not including offsetting penalties), the Sabres are due for 7 more PP than the Sens (SABRES: 26, SENS: 19) ... PLUS two 5 on 3. Come on now, 7 more penalties called on the Sabres!! Thats a little over the top. Reffing sure as hell better even out.