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Buffalonill Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 33 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Would anyone be ok giving up the 11th for him he's already AHL ready so we're basically speeding up the draft process so he can get to the NHL faster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted June 22 Author Report Share Posted June 22 52 minutes ago, Flashsabre said: Does anyone really think Pronman went around to a bunch of NHL teams and asked them what they thought of Savoie’s trade value? How does that conversation go. “Hi this is Corey, I know you’re busy right now, but can you tell me what you think of the Sabres’ prospect Matt Savoie?” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted June 22 Author Report Share Posted June 22 17 minutes ago, Buffalonill said: Would anyone be ok giving up the 11th for him he's already AHL ready so we're basically speeding up the draft process so he can get to the NHL faster Depends on what other moves are made. In general sure, but not necessarily with Savoie, Rosen and Kulich already in the system. Trade a couple of those 3 prospects and I definitely consider making the deal for McGroarty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 36 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Depends on what other moves are made. In general sure, but not necessarily with Savoie, Rosen and Kulich already in the system. Trade a couple of those 3 prospects and I definitely consider making the deal for McGroarty. How good is McCroarty? Where would he rate in our prospect pool? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 (edited) 49 minutes ago, JohnC said: How good is McCroarty? Where would he rate in our prospect pool? He was picked after Savoie, before Kulich and right around Östlund. Preference would be in the eye of the beholder, but generally speaking they are on a similar tier if you’re talking generic value. He is slower and stronger than any of them. Edited June 22 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 One of the reported reasons McGroarty wants out of Winnipeg is they would not guarantee him NHL Time next season. He feels he is ready for the NHL, the Jets do not necessarily feel the same way. I think he would be a great addition to the Sabres Organization, but he cannot be guaranteed a spot on the Sabres 23 man roster either. So unless he agrees to AHL here, which is unlikely, I do not see a fit 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 26 minutes ago, dudacek said: He was picked after Savoie, before Kulich and right around Östlund. Preference would be in the eye of the beholder, but generally speaking they are on a similar tier if you’re lacking generic value. He is slower and stronger than any of them. 4 minutes ago, Brawndo said: One of the reported reasons McGroarty wants out of Winnipeg is they would not guarantee him NHL Time next season. He feels he is ready for the NHL, the Jets do not necessarily feel the same way. I think he would be a great addition to the Sabres Organization, but he cannot be guaranteed a spot on the Sabres 23 man roster either. So unless he agrees to AHL here, which is unlikely, I do not see a fit Thanks for both of your responses. Based on @Brawndo's comment that he wants to be assured of a NHL roster spot, I would say no thanks. I would rather use our first-round pick as an asset to be parlayed for a NHL ready player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 23 minutes ago, Brawndo said: One of the reported reasons McGroarty wants out of Winnipeg is they would not guarantee him NHL Time next season. He feels he is ready for the NHL, the Jets do not necessarily feel the same way. I think he would be a great addition to the Sabres Organization, but he cannot be guaranteed a spot on the Sabres 23 man roster either. So unless he agrees to AHL here, which is unlikely, I do not see a fit Poor kid pitched his hissy 1 year too late. Sabres were all in on not blocking prospects until a few weeks ago. 😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Brawndo Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 A quick side note Amerks HC Mike Leone was McGroarty’s Assistant Coach at the USNTDP for the two seasons that McGroarty was there. Maybe there is a slight chance that he agrees to Rochester for a season as there is familiarity. I would do that deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashsabre Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 1 minute ago, Brawndo said: A quick side note Amerks HC Mike Leone was McGroarty’s Assistant Coach at the USNTDP for the two seasons that McGroarty was there. Maybe there is a slight chance that he agrees to Rochester for a season as there is familiarity. I would do that deal. Good to know about Leone connection. These are the issues to consider with that deal: -Ehlers and Iafallo are both one year from ufa -McGroary is pulling a Gauthier and wants NHL ice time immediately. If you make that deal and give in then Kulich and company all demand the same. if you make that deal you might as well throw in Joker and trade for DeMelo’s ufa rights. Ehlers, Iaffalo, Demelo, McGroaty would solve a lot of the lineup holes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 17 minutes ago, Flashsabre said: Good to know about Leone connection. These are the issues to consider with that deal: -Ehlers and Iafallo are both one year from ufa -McGroary is pulling a Gauthier and wants NHL ice time immediately. If you make that deal and give in then Kulich and company all demand the same. if you make that deal you might as well throw in Joker and trade for DeMelo’s ufa rights. Ehlers, Iaffalo, Demelo, McGroaty would solve a lot of the lineup holes. They would have a season to convince Ehlers to sign an extension. McGroarty would have to ok with Rochester for a season. If Demelo would agree to a contract with the Sabres first, but sign me up for that if he does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 3 hours ago, LGR4GM said: The obsession with calling these kids “leaders” before they’ve even joined the ranks of adulthood in seriousness is beyond me. It’s what they say about prospects when they need an intangible to round out their scouting profile. Brendan Lemieux Esque Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 2 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said: How does that conversation go. “Hi this is Corey, I know you’re busy right now, but can you tell me what you think of the Sabres’ prospect Matt Savoie?” Honestly I doubt he’s outright lying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 I don’t trust McGroaty to sign and I have zero interest in promising him an NHL spot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas23 Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 1 hour ago, Flashsabre said: Good to know about Leone connection. These are the issues to consider with that deal: -Ehlers and Iafallo are both one year from ufa -McGroary is pulling a Gauthier and wants NHL ice time immediately. If you make that deal and give in then Kulich and company all demand the same. if you make that deal you might as well throw in Joker and trade for DeMelo’s ufa rights. Ehlers, Iaffalo, Demelo, McGroaty would solve a lot of the lineup holes. I’d give McGoaty a handful of games in the NHL, but if he’s not blowing it up, then he’d have to agree to go down to Rochester. Likewise, if Savoie has a great camp, he should also be promised some games, but with no guarantees beyond that. I don’t see any risk with that, but only that it could piss off some prospects already in the system. So, one would have to be on the way out. On the flip side, I’m not sure if we really need another near-NHL ready prospect. We may need one in 2-3 years though, so 11OA may be the safer bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 1 hour ago, thewookie1 said: I don’t trust McGroaty to sign and I have zero interest in promising him an NHL spot Him signing his ELC would be a prerequisite of any trade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted June 23 Author Report Share Posted June 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, Thorny said: Honestly I doubt he’s outright lying Probably not, it’s more likely that in conversation they ranked Kulich and Östlund ahead of him, much like when Stl had Thomas, Kyrou and Thompson and Tage was the “3rd best.” However, it was funny to image Pronman making the call as I described. Edited June 23 by GASabresIUFAN 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Justin C Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 Washington has had PLD for a week and is already sick of him. I’d only offer a 7th. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Collection Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 1 hour ago, Justin C said: Washington has had PLD for a week and is already sick of him. I’d only offer a 7th. Hasn’t even been in the room and it’s infected. You would think at some point he might think that he is the problem and work to correct it. Or he’s now content with guaranteed big money for the next 7 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 9 hours ago, Flashsabre said: Adams is gonna trade 11 for Nic Dowd and act like it's good, isn't he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Lee Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 15 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said: How does that conversation go. “Hi this is Corey, I know you’re busy right now, but can you tell me what you think of the Sabres’ prospect Matt Savoie?” I think Pronman has a network of NHL scouts who he speaks with regularly to get feedback on his evaluations and rankings and who do share their opinions with him on such things as this. I also think that the assessment in that article that our prospects (specifically Savoie, Östlund and Rosen) have not held their draft value is correct. That doesn't mean they hold no value, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashsabre Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 30 minutes ago, Archie Lee said: I think Pronman has a network of NHL scouts who he speaks with regularly to get feedback on his evaluations and rankings and who do share their opinions with him on such things as this. I also think that the assessment in that article that our prospects (specifically Savoie, Östlund and Rosen) have not held their draft value is correct. That doesn't mean they hold no value, though. Not held their draft value in which way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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