dudacek Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 Am I the only one who thinks it unlikely that Jacob Bryson receives his qualifying offer? I think he rehabilitated his game quite nicely last year and is a serviceable 7, but his QO of $1.9 is far too much for a spare defenceman, especially with what the Sabres are paying their top 5 (or 6 if Henri comes back). I think the Sabres and Bryson like each other, but I think the only way he’s back is if he agrees to a pay cut. Which he might, because no team is going to give him $1.9M. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 I’m also curious what will happen with Jokiharju. I’m not one of those “Joki is garbage” types. He’s a legit NHL 4/5, 25, mobile and right-handed, a good value at his $2.6M qualifier. But I’m wondering if the Sabres would rather have someone cheaper and more abrasive given their other 5 under contract and there is trade value there. I could see him moved. If he’s not moved, there is probably a good chance he goes to arbitration, takes his reward and moves on at the deadline as a rental, or next summer as a UFA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 1 hour ago, dudacek said: Am I the only one who thinks it unlikely that Jacob Bryson receives his qualifying offer? I think he rehabilitated his game quite nicely last year and is a serviceable 7, but his QO of $1.9 is far too much for a spare defenceman, especially with what the Sabres are paying their top 5 (or 6 if Henri comes back). I think the Sabres and Bryson like each other, but I think the only way he’s back is if he agrees to a pay cut. Which he might, because no team is going to give him $1.9M. He's 1 of 3 Sabres that have been at both of Ruff's appearances so I'd guess he'll stick around. However I would hope without question they have zero intention of paying him 1.9mil to be a solid #7. 1 hour ago, dudacek said: I’m also curious what will happen with Jokiharju. I’m not one of those “Joki is garbage” types. He’s a legit NHL 4/5, 25, mobile and right-handed, a good value at his $2.6M qualifier. But I’m wondering if the Sabres would rather have someone cheaper and more abrasive given their other 5 under contract and there is trade value there. I could see him moved. If he’s not moved, there is probably a good chance he goes to arbitration, takes his reward and moves on at the deadline as a rental, or next summer as a UFA. Jokiharju is more of casualty of circumstance than a bad player. He doesn't fulfill any physical role and his play with Byram was an affront to the Geneva Convention. I see him dealt to Utah for a 2nd or in some sort of exchange with Seattle potentially. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 A rather conservative approach to redoing the Bot 6 https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/5166646 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Collection Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 (edited) 1 hour ago, thewookie1 said: A rather conservative approach to redoing the Bot 6 https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/5166646 I would love Gourde, Tanev and Borgen but I doubt Joki, Rosen and a 3rd get that done. Seattle could push for Savoie and a better pick. I just had a peek at Cap Friendly, Gourde and Tanev have NTCs. Edited May 28 by French Collection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Collection Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 6 hours ago, dudacek said: Am I the only one who thinks it unlikely that Jacob Bryson receives his qualifying offer? I think he rehabilitated his game quite nicely last year and is a serviceable 7, but his QO of $1.9 is far too much for a spare defenceman, especially with what the Sabres are paying their top 5 (or 6 if Henri comes back). I think the Sabres and Bryson like each other, but I think the only way he’s back is if he agrees to a pay cut. Which he might, because no team is going to give him $1.9M. He actually outperformed my expectations but I don’t want him at $1.9M. Johnson would be a better option if they want to sign a 3C and some grit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 14 minutes ago, French Collection said: I would love Gourde, Tanev and Borgen but I doubt Joki, Rosen and a 3rd get that done. Seattle could push for Savoie and a better pick. I just had a peek at Cap Friendly, Gourde and Tanev have NTCs. They aren't getting a Top prospect for 3 UFAs The max is Joki, Rosen, and a 2nd I'd drop out Tanev but they aren't getting Joki(RFA), Rosen(ELC) and a 2nd for Gourde(UFA) and Borgen(UFA) Mostly because its hard to gauge Gourde's value because you could pole Seattle fans and get everything from 1st round picks to he's a cap dump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Lee Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 47 minutes ago, thewookie1 said: They aren't getting a Top prospect for 3 UFAs The max is Joki, Rosen, and a 2nd I'd drop out Tanev but they aren't getting Joki(RFA), Rosen(ELC) and a 2nd for Gourde(UFA) and Borgen(UFA) Mostly because its hard to gauge Gourde's value because you could pole Seattle fans and get everything from 1st round picks to he's a cap dump I like the idea. Seattle, I suspect though, has every interest in getting back to the playoffs this year. I don’t think they trade those 3 made for playoffs vets for our about to become overpaid d-man who doesn’t fit, the top prospect that Sabre fans value the least and a 2nd. It’s not a deal that makes them better. You can make it work value-wise, but I don’t see it as practical from Seattle’s perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Archie Lee Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 7 hours ago, dudacek said: Am I the only one who thinks it unlikely that Jacob Bryson receives his qualifying offer? I think he rehabilitated his game quite nicely last year and is a serviceable 7, but his QO of $1.9 is far too much for a spare defenceman, especially with what the Sabres are paying their top 5 (or 6 if Henri comes back). I think the Sabres and Bryson like each other, but I think the only way he’s back is if he agrees to a pay cut. Which he might, because no team is going to give him $1.9M. I think we offer Bryson a 2-3 year deal at around $1.2 million that clearly establishes his role as being an organizational 6-9 d-man. His future likely hinges on whether he will accept something like this in order to stay or whether he prefers to test the waters to see if he can get a larger role elsewhere. If we qualify Bryson, and I will be very surprised if we do, it will be a clear sign that Adams has not learned lessons from last offseason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 7 hours ago, dudacek said: I think the Sabres and Bryson like each other, but I think the only way he’s back is if he agrees to a pay cut. Which he might, because no team is going to give him $1.9M. I think this is a good assessment of the situation. Offer him 1.3 to 1.5M and see how it goes. He's a solid depth defenseman and I think he probably could squeak into the top 6 on some teams but I'm not sure those teams would want to pay him $1.9M either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFinn Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 3 hours ago, thewookie1 said: A rather conservative approach to redoing the Bot 6 https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/5166646 If Seattle want to retool, and Adam Larsson would waive and be interested in signing for two more years at about the same 4m that he gets in Seattle, I think a trade with Jokiharju could work for both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 8 hours ago, dudacek said: Am I the only one who thinks it unlikely that Jacob Bryson receives his qualifying offer? I think he rehabilitated his game quite nicely last year and is a serviceable 7, but his QO of $1.9 is far too much for a spare defenceman, especially with what the Sabres are paying their top 5 (or 6 if Henri comes back). I think the Sabres and Bryson like each other, but I think the only way he’s back is if he agrees to a pay cut. Which he might, because no team is going to give him $1.9M. Not at all. Expect he'll sign for 2-3 years at $1.5MM or less (hopefully ~$1.1MM but not sure it'll end up that low) but with a 1 way deal. He really likes it here and personally expect that he isn't going to Tim Kennedy himself out of town. That was a bit before his time, but expect Ruff and Adams will ensure he knows all about that cautionary tale. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 3 hours ago, thewookie1 said: A rather conservative approach to redoing the Bot 6 https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/5166646 Zach Benson - Yanni Gourde - Brandon Tanev Jordan Greenway - Peyton Krebs - Tanner Jeannot I like the looks of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/5181290 Tried to fix the seeming issue with the Seattle trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted May 28 Author Report Share Posted May 28 We need to change this roster. We can’t continue to bring back failed or failing players. Krebs, Bryson and Jokiharju all need to go. Bryson isn’t physical, he doesn’t add offense and is mediocre in the D zone. There is no reason to keep him even as a depth D with Ryan Johnson available and Novikov rapidly improving. Find a cheap vet for $1 who can play actual defense and go from there. Having Joki in our top 4 is also a mistake, even if accepts his Q offer. Trade him and find someone else. He is just a better version of Bryson. He isn’t overly physical, doesn’t add much O and is exceedingly mediocre in the D zone. His metrics with most of the other D also aren’t very good. Again we can do better. Krebs is miscast as a 4C and isn’t good enough to be a 3C. Why bring him back even if he’s cheap? He’s Jost 2.0. I’d rather have Lazar back. KA can do better than these 3 and should. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 Hopefully buffalo trades for cirelli 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 if the Senators are willing to move on from Tkachuk that's a massive red flag. He's their Captain and was on of their biggest draft picks. Watching him play it's clear he has to mature quite a bit. He takes very, very stupid penalties. He might have some talent but he's undermining himself with his immaturity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 6 minutes ago, LTS said: if the Senators are willing to move on from Tkachuk that's a massive red flag. He's their Captain and was on of their biggest draft picks. Watching him play it's clear he has to mature quite a bit. He takes very, very stupid penalties. He might have some talent but he's undermining himself with his immaturity. It could be a red flag. Then again, the Sabres traded away Eichel and that worked out pretty well for Vegas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabresparaavida Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 24 minutes ago, Taro T said: It could be a red flag. Then again, the Sabres traded away Eichel and that worked out pretty well for Vegas. Of course Eichel was demanding a trade, which does make it a different scenario (unless Tkachuk does the same). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 38 minutes ago, LTS said: if the Senators are willing to move on from Tkachuk that's a massive red flag. He's their Captain and was on of their biggest draft picks. Watching him play it's clear he has to mature quite a bit. He takes very, very stupid penalties. He might have some talent but he's undermining himself with his immaturity. Their GM literally said no chance in hell yesterday. Quote Nevertheless, do not expect Ottawa to move their captain this offseason, as General Manager Steve Staios recently shut down those rumors while speaking to Pierre LeBrun of The Athletic (Subscription Article). In the article from LeBrun, Staios was asked about the rumors and bluntly said, “Complete B.S. We are building this team around Brady. His leadership and unique skill set are rare. There is absolutely no validity to it“. https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2024/05/ottawa-senators-not-shopping-brady-tkachuk.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Archie Lee Posted May 29 Report Share Posted May 29 1 hour ago, Brawndo said: This does leave about 3 - 3.5 million in space, but spots 21-23 aren't accounted for. If filled with entry level-type deals, it leaves $1 million or less in space. The thing I don't get about these roster projections is, if we are living in a the find of fantasy world where the Sabres make these kind of major acquisitions in trade and are spending to the cap, then why not go full-fantasy-mode and buyout Skinner? Then you can add a more line appropriate winger for Roy and a veteran right-shot D to pair with Power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted May 29 Report Share Posted May 29 1 hour ago, Brawndo said: Trade 1: Depending on the pick, sure Trade 2: Hurts but sure Trade 3: Nah, no thanks at that price; likewise I mentioned why Bryson wouldn't make sense for Tampa. Draft: Not sure, he has the talent but lacks size and would be par the course with our drafts 3.5mil to find 3 subs seems doable. Since Bryson might still be open even with the trade; offer him 2/3x1.3mil Give Brendan Smith 1mil And Tyler Johnson or like vet F 1mil and your good to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted May 29 Report Share Posted May 29 Worked from Joe's idea https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/5185758 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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