Will KA give up on the fallacy of veterans that "know how to win"?!

[JoeSchmoe]

The team hasn't looked back since ditching EJ and KO. Hopefully Adams has learned a lesson for next year's free agency period.

Every team has veterans and cup winners, but only one can win.

The team with the best combination of talent and heart wins. No veteran can teach that.

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[jad1]

When has KO ever been a veteren who 'knows how to win?'

[pastajoe]

2 minutes ago, jad1 said:

When has KO ever been a veteren who 'knows how to win?'

It started last week after he asked to be traded to a playoff team.

[jad1]

2 minutes ago, pastajoe said:

It started last week after he asked to be traded to a playoff team.

Maybe he's a veteren who is learning how to win.

[Buffalonill]

The problem is adam's goes after people when they're on the last leg

Those are the kinds of moves you make when you're stanley cup contender And keep them for depth

Adams has zero clue how to build a playoff team

 

[bg17]

 

[bob_sauve28]

12 minutes ago, Buffalonill said:

The problem is adam's goes after people when they're on the last leg

Those are the kinds of moves you make when you're stanley cup contender And keep them for depth

Adams has zero clue how to build a playoff team

 

Greenway?

[Flashsabre]

Adams addressed this after the deadline. He said he is done with bringing in vets to be leaders. All his additions will be to help the team win games.

[Buffalonill]

19 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:

Adams addressed this after the deadline. He said he is done with bringing in vets to be leaders. All his additions will be to help the team win games.

What does this even mean ? You need vets just not over the hill ones .

Hopefully he said this Wrong

1 hour ago, bob_sauve28 said:

Greenway?

I was more talking towards getting over the hill Vets 

Edited March 15 by Buffalonill

[inkman]

1 hour ago, jad1 said:

Maybe he's a veteren who is learning how to win.

Lesson one: Don’t be a Sabre 

[thewookie1]

6 minutes ago, Buffalonill said:

What does this even mean ? You need vets just not over the hill ones .

Hopefully he said this Wrong 

I think what he was saying implied he wasn't planning to sign any babysitter vets anymore. He wants vets still but only if they can still play at a beneficial level. 

[Sidc3000]

14 hours ago, JoeSchmoe said:

The team hasn't looked back since ditching EJ and KO. Hopefully Adams has learned a lesson for next year's free agency period.

Every team has veterans and cup winners, but only one can win.

The team with the best combination of talent and heart wins. No veteran can teach that.

Um, it’s 3 games. Relax

[Sidc3000]

2 hours ago, Buffalonill said:

The problem is adam's goes after people when they're on the last leg

Those are the kinds of moves you make when you're stanley cup contender And keep them for depth

Adams has zero clue how to build a playoff team

 

Is going after those who are on their last leg or are they the ONLY ones that are willing to come to Buffalo. 

[JoeSchmoe]

4 minutes ago, Sidc3000 said:

Um, it’s 3 games. Relax

Did you watch any of them? The team has been much better since EJ got put in the doghouse... Even when they didn't win they played much more competitively.

[PerreaultForever]

14 hours ago, JoeSchmoe said:

The team hasn't looked back since ditching EJ and KO. Hopefully Adams has learned a lesson for next year's free agency period.

Every team has veterans and cup winners, but only one can win.

The team with the best combination of talent and heart wins. No veteran can teach that.

I totally disagree with this. You can't look at two old guys who are well past their prime, has beens even, and conclude from that that you don't need veteran leadership. The other word that gets tossed around is "pros". You have a lot of kids on your roster you need leaders to guide them. You will get better results in that sort of environment and you will build a lasting culture. Kids are fragile, kids get knocked off the path easily. Kids get tempted. Pros are pros. 

Talent is talent but heart comes and goes and you need guidance. 

But I said long ago KO should not have been re-signed, Girgs should not be re-signed for next year and EJ was a has been. The veterans you want are in their late 20s not their mid 30s. Adams on the other hand might just think he can wait and then in 3-4 years he will have his own. 

[SABRES 0311]

15 hours ago, JoeSchmoe said:

The team hasn't looked back since ditching EJ and KO. Hopefully Adams has learned a lesson for next year's free agency period.

Every team has veterans and cup winners, but only one can win.

The team with the best combination of talent and heart wins. No veteran can teach that.

All this over a three game win streak at the end of a season where the team WILL NOT make the playoffs. Almost sounds like you are saying the team lost so many games because of KO and EJ 😂. Could be because…

-TNT and Tuch are a shell of what was expected.

-Skinner is useless outside of the O-zone.

-Power is softer than baby 💩 and is a third pair guy making first pair money.

-Levi should never have put on a Sabres uniform this year.

-Cozens got his face caved in being something he is and will never be then had zero confidence for a quarter of the season.

We can keep going but KO and EJ’s departure and the current streak are coincidental. Maybe, just maybe, enough guys started to figure things out recently.

-Levi is not in net (positive)

-UPL is on fire.

-Tuch actually has a pulse.

-Power has been more disciplined and responsible.

-Byram is our new second best DMan.

[Flashsabre]

1 hour ago, Buffalonill said:

What does this even mean ? You need vets just not over the hill ones .

Hopefully he said this Wrong

I was more talking towards getting over the hill Vets 

He means he is no

longer bringing in Eric Staal and Eric Johnson to be leaders. Guys past their prime but with the hope they will magically show the kids the way.

Every move now will be focused on players that can help the team win games. He will bring in vets but guys that can still play at a high level and help the team win.

[JoeSchmoe]

3 hours ago, SABRES 0311 said:

All this over a three game win streak at the end of a season where the team WILL NOT make the playoffs. Almost sounds like you are saying the team lost so many games because of KO and EJ 😂. Could be because…

-TNT and Tuch are a shell of what was expected.

-Skinner is useless outside of the O-zone.

-Power is softer than baby 💩 and is a third pair guy making first pair money.

-Levi should never have put on a Sabres uniform this year.

-Cozens got his face caved in being something he is and will never be then had zero confidence for a quarter of the season.

We can keep going but KO and EJ’s departure and the current streak are coincidental. Maybe, just maybe, enough guys started to figure things out recently.

-Levi is not in net (positive)

-UPL is on fire.

-Tuch actually has a pulse.

-Power has been more disciplined and responsible.

-Byram is our new second best DMan.

I'm not disagreeing with you on most of your points, but this team is in a playoff spot if we don't sign EJ.

[Weave]

1 hour ago, JoeSchmoe said:

I'm not disagreeing with you on most of your points, but this team is in a playoff spot if we don't sign EJ.

I don’t buy that.  We did not have. #7D that could he trusted as an NHLer.  I wish KA aimed higher than EJ, but all of the alternatives are in Roc currently.

[Pimlach]

6 hours ago, JoeSchmoe said:

Did you watch any of them? The team has been much better since EJ got put in the doghouse... Even when they didn't win they played much more competitively.

Very narrow assessment.  EJ was past his prime and his game tailed off in the end, but the Sabres players themselves have said they learned a lot from him.  Same things were said about Anderson regarding leadership.  

 You also take cheap shots at Okposo and Mitts because the Sabres are on a small win streak since the trades.   Ryan Johnson isn’t playing either.   Is he also a problem?  

Adam’s has rightfully turned the leadership over to the Core players that are coming into their prime.  The players are responding and stepping up.   Adams does not have to shop for leaders anymore, but that doesn’t mean he won’t bring in vets or any other player that is a strong leader.  
 

 

[JoeSchmoe]

1 hour ago, Pimlach said:

Very narrow assessment.  EJ was past his prime and his game tailed off in the end, but the Sabres players themselves have said they learned a lot from him.  

Learning how to play defense are what coaches are for. Not washed up veterans that can't play in the NHL anymore. 

Did you expect the players to say he sucked and we're better with him gone? 

We win more games with RJ vs EJ.

[thewookie1]

7 hours ago, JoeSchmoe said:

Learning how to play defense are what coaches are for. Not washed up veterans that can't play in the NHL anymore. 

Did you expect the players to say he sucked and we're better with him gone? 

We win more games with RJ vs EJ.

Learning how to play defense in theory is the coach’s responsibility. Learning how to actually carry out defensive play on a game to game basis falls on the vets as well as the coaches. A coach can’t go out on the ice and get 1st person information during the game; the vets on the other hand do. You could have a staff of hall of fame coaches and still would need experienced players to help with in game adjustments as well deciphering the coach’s strategy to those finding it difficult to translate to the actual game.

Effectively, no matter the coach, a player is more likely to trust his teammate’s judgement than his coach. It’s plainly how our brains work. If your Dad tells you something you should do and your friend tells you something to do whose opinion are you more likely to actually carry out? Logically it should be your Dad, but more often than not children and young adults aren’t going to connect their parents experiences as being valuable. It’s as you grow up where it slowly dawns on you that Mom and Dad actually know stuff (usually)

[Demoted]

16 hours ago, JoeSchmoe said:

Did you watch any of them? The team has been much better since EJ got put in the doghouse... Even when they didn't win they played much more competitively.

I have heard this before

[GoPuckYourself]

On 3/14/2024 at 11:55 PM, JoeSchmoe said:

The team hasn't looked back since ditching EJ and KO. Hopefully Adams has learned a lesson for next year's free agency period.

Every team has veterans and cup winners, but only one can win.

The team with the best combination of talent and heart wins. No veteran can teach that.

I totally disagree with that but it's just my opinion. I think the right veterans matter, a guy like Boone Jenner would be awesome but I'm not sure if our GM can identify a solid veteran.