Casey Mittelstadt traded for Bowen Byram

[K-9]

@seer775, I see you deleted the post I was in the midst of replying to where you claimed Mitts was in Rochester while Byram was in the hospital. But the fact remains that Byram has played just nine less NHL games than Mitts at the same stages of their careers. Perhaps you remembered that Mitts already had 114 NHL games under his belt before being sent to Rochester for 36 games 2019/2020. 

[Thorner]

3 minutes ago, pi2000 said:

Byram is 22, he's been concussion free for 2 years now... had a lower body injury after that.

I like the gamble, he's a grade A prospect KA is buying low... and selling while Casey's stock is at an all-time high. 

I recall Casey dealing with some injury issues early on in his career as well.

It’s a good practice in theory. Crunching the advanced stats so you can buy low on actual production in favour of potential un-mined value can lead to good additions to the team in the vein of Eric Comrie and the like 

[Flashsabre]

1 minute ago, bunomatic said:

Joke. Casey had devoped into a good player and thats what we do is trade them away. Is BB the best KA could get ?

What would you have traded Mitts for? A 22 year old top 4 Dman is what they got for him.

[gomper]

KA has done what I thought was impossible.  He's made this team even easier to play against. 

[Thorner]

1 minute ago, K-9 said:

@seer775, I see you deleted the post I was in the midst of replying to where you claimed Mitts was in Rochester while Byram was in the hospital. But the fact remains that Byram has played just nine less NHL games than Mitts at the same stages of their careers. Perhaps you remembered that Mitts already had 114 NHL games under his belt before being sent to Rochester for 36 games 2019/2020. 

9 less because Byram actually hasn’t been injured as much or because Casey got sent down? Actually asking 

3 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:

What would you have traded Mitts for? A 22 year old top 4 Dman is what they got for him.

So “what even was there?” Still applies, even when just keeping the asset was an option lol good to know 

[inkman]

Casey was panned by every Sabres fan everywhere what a year, maybe 18 months ago.  Now we hate the Sabres for trading him for a current player who is better.  Ok. 
 

Not to mention, 90% of their top prospects are forwards. Benson and Savoie could be Casey’s equal by next season. They will most likely eclipse Mitts shortly thereafter.  Noah Östlund will be here as early as next season to compete for a middle 6 center role. Kulich and Rosen are coming.  
 

I don’t want to wait.  I’m hoping adds a couple gritty forwards that can compete for top 9 roles.  

Edited March 6 by inkman

[K-9]

5 minutes ago, seer775 said:

They weren't concussions. And not three of them.

Sidney Crosby suffered his 4th concussion in 2017. Somehow I can’t believe you would have been displeased if we had acquired him afterward. Again, this has less to do with concussion susceptibility than it does your perceived talent of the player. 

[Thorner]

“What could KA have even done? Good trade or bad, this was his only option” is the only truly putrid take. Like the trade or don’t, but if there’s one iota of, “well, what do you want, this is the best we could get”,  just…SMH

[Thorner]

3 minutes ago, inkman said:

Casey was panned by every Sabres fan everywhere what a year, maybe 18 months.  Now we hate the Sabres for trading him for a current player who is better.  Ok. 
 

Not to mention, 90% of their top prospects are forwards. Benson and Savoie could be Casey’s equal by next season. They will most likely eclipse Mitts shortly thereafter.  Noah Östlund will be here as early as next season to compete for a middle 6 center role. Kulich and Rosen are coming.  
 

I don’t want to wait.  I’m hoping adds a couple gritty forwards that can compete for top 9 roles.  

You think Byram is actually better, right now? I legitimately thought you were gassing 

Savoie could be his equal by next season? I can’t make heads or tails of this. That’s an impossibility  

Edited March 6 by Thorny

[K-9]

1 minute ago, Thorny said:

9 less because Byram actually hasn’t been injured as much or because Casey got sent down? Actually asking 

Mitts being sent down and whether Byram was injured or not, while impacting their NHL availability to play games, has nothing to do with it. The simple fact is that in their first four seasons in the league to date, Casey played in only nine more games. Byram will go past that by the end of this, his fourth season. 

5 minutes ago, seer775 said:

Great. Which has 3 severe brain injuries?

So that would be a NO in wanting Crosby after his fourth in 2017. Got it.

[That Aud Smell]

17 minutes ago, pi2000 said:

I like the gamble, he's a grade A prospect KA is buying low... and selling while Casey's stock is at an all-time high. 

[Thorner]

3 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Mitts being sent down and whether Byram was injured or not, while impacting their NHL availability to play games, has nothing to do with it. The simple fact is that in their first four seasons in the league to date, Casey played in only nine more games. Byram will go past that by the end of this, his fourth season. 

So that would be a NO in wanting Crosby after his fourth in 2017. Got it.

Had nothing to do with what? Injuries are a continuing factor. Inability to stick with the nhl is a lost variable 

If Byram was only close in games because Casey was sent down while Byram instead was hurt, yes, it doesn’t  diminish the injury concern 

Edited March 6 by Thorny

[eman]

1 hour ago, Derrico said:

Am I missing something?  Can't believe the anger here.  Casey was this franchise whipping boy up until maybe 18 months ago.  He's playing awesome in (shocker) a contract year.  I don't know I trust giving him the money that would be necessary here.  

Our D has been brutal.  Can Byram be good enough to keep Clifton out of the top 4?

I'm actually excited to find out. We may yet grow to love this guy. Have to give him a chance. I'm sure he's not too thrilled about missing the playoffs this year.

[K-9]

5 minutes ago, seer775 said:

 

How dare you compare bowen byram to sid. 

 

And sid was 28 in 2017.

In terms of concussions sustained, yes, I DID compare Byram to Crosby because it’s relevant. Your weak attempt to suggest I was comparing skill levels as hockey players is absurd. 

[Pimlach]

23 minutes ago, inkman said:

Byram and it’s not close.  He’s a 4th overall pick, top pairing dman. 

That’s 3 top pairing dmen.   
 

Why are the Avs giving up on him? 

[LabattBlue]

Pegula & Co have ruined my fandom.  I read the first few posts in this thread and was like who cares.  I know nothing about Byram, and don’t care if Mitts is a Sabre or not.  

[bunomatic]

Damn and I was just starting to like Spicolli and KA trades him away. Go get a cup kid.

[Thorner]

3 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:

It’s been a long, time time since it’s even been theoretically possible for us to dismiss “timeline to success” as a factor. His argument collapses upon itself by needing to use “prospect” to make its point 

[phil_soisson]

This trade has the Pegula stank all over it. Come on, Wegmans, make it happen so we can launch this front office into the Sun!

[K-9]

1 minute ago, Thorny said:

Had nothing to do with what? Injuries are a continuing factor. Inability to stick with the nhl is a lost variable 

If Byram was only close in games because Casey was sent down while Byram instead was hurt, yes, it doesn’t  diminish the injury concern 

Has nothing to do with the number of NHL games each has played in their first four seasons. Casey played in nine more to date and Byram will surpass that this season if he stays available. I’m not discounting availability here, but that’s a different argument for this particular discussion. 

The argument was made that while Byram was in the hospital, Mitts was actually playing in Rochester (never mind that Mitts already had 114 NHL games under his belt before being sent to Rochester)  and I’m simply pointing out that Byram hasn’t actually played much less at the same point in their respective careers, regardless of games lost to injury or time spent in the minors. 

[Mustache of God]

Is Byram playing tonight?

[Crusader1969]

1 hour ago, Thorny said:

A contract to Casey would have blocked Byram’s path to being here 

This is absolutely not happening. This is the D add. We traded our best forward to do it. This is our guy 

I don't agree. Still have assets to move - Tuch, Joker, Samuelsson with the big club. Shame Skinner is stuck with them.    Still have the #1 prospect system in the league...cant keep them all (at least i hope not) and a 1st round pick.

or they can go the UFA route.

[Doohicksie]

32 minutes ago, Thorny said:

But I don’t understand a lot of what KA does in a strategic sense.

Kevyn's version of 4D chess

[K-9]

10 minutes ago, bunomatic said:

Damn and I was just starting to like Spicolli and KA trades him away. Go get a cup kid.

[Thorner]

Bowy will fit right in with Cozy and Krebsy. Want to be here.