SwampD Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 3 minutes ago, thewookie1 said: Young rosters tend to not have high cap hits; there's no requirement that Adams wasn't spending due to Pegula doing his best Athletics impression. Sure. And the Tank was Darcy's idea. Quote
DarthEbriate Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 16 minutes ago, Doohickie said: On the other hand, Kevyn has been conserving salary cap space in order to have the resources to sign the young talent coming up. (I will admit that he still had holes and could have better filled them with high-end, but short term deals.) You don't have to conserve any space on a seasonal basis. Like you say, you just pay a bit of a premium on a slightly shorter deal. They had all the space in the world to do exactly that. Where was the legit #2-3 D signing to pair with Power for 2-3 seasons? Lyubushkin and Clifton were the multiyear righties. 26 minutes ago, thewookie1 said: COVID also happened so that can't be ignored Yes and several NHL teams did (rightfully) tighten the budget for that next season. A couple also axed their AHL staffs like the Sabres did. The contrast is in the bounce-back. Let's look at Detroit's* same seasons: DET: $7.74M (2020-21), $11.9M (21-22), $7.7M (22-23), $1.7M (23-24) BUF: $8.8M (2020-21), $15.5M (21-22), $17M (22-23), $6.1M (23-24) *Why Detroit? Same division, same "not the greatest booming local economy/downtown, but similar passionate fan base", same boat in terms of rebuild, and arguably well behind the Sabres. You're competing with them for veterans who know it will be 2-3 seasons before they're contenders again. In 2022-23, it was right back to business as usual, and then this year -- under $2M in space. The Sabres will be there in terms of cap space ($2M) next season, but by then Detroit will already have playoff revenue, fan interest, and a solid core getting stronger. And spending another $4-10M in cap in 2022-23 could easily have been worth 2 points in the standings. $5M this season could have been a backup goalie and a bottom-6 C/W. 3 Quote
That Aud Smell Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 4 minutes ago, LETSTUCHINGO said: First of all, I used the Chicken Little remark as you make seem like the sky is falling My recommendation: Say that rather than engage in name-calling. The latter never goes over well. 2 1 Quote
thewookie1 Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 3 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said: You don't have to conserve any space on a seasonal basis. Like you say, you just pay a bit of a premium on a slightly shorter deal. They had all the space in the world to do exactly that. Where was the legit #2-3 D signing to pair with Power for 2-3 seasons? Lyubushkin and Clifton were the multiyear righties. Yes and several NHL teams did (rightfully) tighten the budget for that next season. A couple also axed their AHL staffs like the Sabres did. The contrast is in the bounce-back. Let's look at Detroit's* same seasons: DET: $7.74M (2020-21), $11.9M (21-22), $7.7M (22-23), $1.7M (23-24) BUF: $8.8M (2020-21), $15.5M (21-22), $17M (22-23), $6.1M (23-24) *Why Detroit? Same division, same "not the greatest booming local economy/downtown, but similar passionate fan base", same boat in terms of rebuild, and arguably well behind the Sabres. You're competing with them for veterans who know it will be 2-3 seasons before they're contenders again. In 2022-23, it was right back to business as usual, and then this year -- under $2M in space. The Sabres will be there in terms of cap space ($2M) next season, but by then Detroit will already have playoff revenue, fan interest, and a solid core getting stronger. And spending another $4-10M in cap in 2022-23 could easily have been worth 2 points in the standings. $5M this season could have been a backup goalie and a bottom-6 C/W. Biggest issues here is the lack of roster spots, sure we could of signed players but then we couldn't have guys like Peterka or Quinn up last year. Quote
SwampD Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 1 minute ago, thewookie1 said: Biggest issues here is the lack of roster spots, sure we could of signed players but then we couldn't have guys like Peterka or Quinn up last year. That would have been better for everyone involved, including the fans. Actually, mostly the fans. 1 Quote
DarthEbriate Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 2 minutes ago, thewookie1 said: Biggest issues here is the lack of roster spots, sure we could of signed players but then we couldn't have guys like Peterka or Quinn up last year. Which is a good problem to have. Maybe you move VO early or don't re-sign him. Maybe you don't re-sign Hinostroza or bring back Sheahan because you've already got a veteran. Quote
Pimlach Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 Just now, LETSTUCHINGO said: First of all, I used the Chicken Little remark as you make seem like the sky is falling I don’t appreciate your comments and names, and you are mistaken. My comments are consistent - I don’t think we can evaluate this trade until Adams finishes his off season move. Hardly chicken little. In summary: The trade created a sizable hole at center. They got younger on defense - potential salary issues when Byram is up. They still lack a certain big physical presence on defense. They have more work to do on this roster. You simply cannot comprehend. Put me on ignore and do us both a favor. Quote
LETSTUCHINGO Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 3 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said: My recommendation: Say that rather than engage in name-calling. The latter never goes over well. Thanks for the advice. I had no idea Chicken Little was so offensive. Sensitivity class scheduled! 2 Quote
thewookie1 Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 2 minutes ago, SwampD said: That would have been better for everyone involved, including the fans. Actually, mostly the fans. But did they not earn their shot after breaking records in Rochester? Plus I wouldn't of wanted to sign a longer term contract to begin with. 1 Quote
North Buffalo Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 (edited) Sabres are gonna miss what Casey has become, good possession guy... good along the boards, always a tremendous passer and underrated shot... his play making and ability to go up and down the lineup is going to be a loss. Edited March 7 by North Buffalo 3 1 1 Quote
LETSTUCHINGO Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Pimlach said: I don’t appreciate your comments and names, and you are mistaken. My comments are consistent - I don’t think we can evaluate this trade until Adams finishes his off season move. Hardly chicken little. In summary: The trade created a sizable hole at center. They got younger on defense - potential salary issues when Byram is up. They still lack a certain big physical presence on defense. They have more work to do on this roster. You simply cannot comprehend. Put me on ignore and do us both a favor. Grow up. I've already apologized. I guess I should take offense to you calling me ignorant. I don't though, as you're entitled to your opinion. I can take people disagreeing with me without taking offense. Continuing with the topic at hand, I look forward to seeing what Krebs can do in the 3C role with better playmakers than what he has had centering the 4th line. I also believe that Mitts will be missed, but as most have stated in this forum, a change was needed to be made. Hopefully it was the right move. Time will tell! Edited March 7 by LETSTUCHINGO 1 Quote
That Aud Smell Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 26 minutes ago, LETSTUCHINGO said: Thanks for the advice. I had no idea Chicken Little was so offensive. Sensitivity class scheduled! Name-calling in general tends to rub posters (people) the wrong way. Seems like you should be able to understand that, idiot. 4 Quote
Pimlach Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 29 minutes ago, LETSTUCHINGO said: Grow up. I've already apologized. I guess I should take offense to you calling me ignorant. I don't though, as you're entitled to your opinion. I can take people disagreeing with me without taking offense. Continuing with the topic at hand, I look forward to seeing what Krebs can do in the 3C role with better playmakers than what he has had centering the 4th line. I also believe that Mitts will be missed, but as most have stated in this forum, a change was needed to be made. Hopefully it was the right move. Time will tell! I never called you ignorant or anything else for that matter. All the name calling is on you. But I’ll grow up and use the ignore capability to give everyone else a break. I don’t even think we disagree extensively on the trade. Reading comprehension is the issue. Quote
Marvin Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 This is where that Skinner contract money and term are killers. I would rather have Mittelstadt on this roster next year. 1 1 1 Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 43 minutes ago, North Buffalo said: Sabres are gonna miss what Casey has become, good possession guy... good along the boards, always a tremendous passer and underrated shot... his play making and ability to go up and down the lineup is going to be a loss. The Sabres are going to miss Casey because he was the only natural playmaker on the team. 3 1 Quote
Believer Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 1 minute ago, Pimlach said: Reading comprehension is the issue. Adding injury to insult, Pimlach… How about the wise ass and the cranky old man knock it off before the Moderator intervenes… Sheesh. 2 2 Quote
Pimlach Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 2 minutes ago, Believer said: Adding injury to insult, Pimlach… How about the wise ass and the cranky old man knock it off before the Moderator intervenes… Sheesh. I’m trying. I’m done with that conversation. 2 1 Quote
SABRES 0311 Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 4 minutes ago, PASabreFan said: This thread should be deleted. No, just needs to be put back in the rails. 1 Quote
Weave Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 6 minutes ago, PASabreFan said: This thread should be deleted. That won’t change what happened. Quote
Believer Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 15 minutes ago, Believer said: …..Sheesh. For a second there, thought I was in the wrong thread again… Ain’t easy bein’ me 😎 Sabrespace is the best! Quote
Sidc3000 Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 I don’t get their obsession with being the youngest team in the league 1 1 Quote
Stoner Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 6 minutes ago, Sidc3000 said: I don’t get their obsession with being the youngest team in the league Really? It's job security and 3 to E. Well 2 anyway. 1 Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 (edited) I understand why a forward was traded. The Sabres have a pile of forwards and already have 3 huge contracts on the books for forwards (Skinner, TNT and Cozens) and have JJP and Quinn coming up for deals after next season. You can't keep everyone. What I don't understand is why Casey was for forward voted off the island. He possessed a unique skill set on this team, and we have no one on the roster or in the pipeline who does what Casey does well. I also understand the want to acquire a top 4 D, but honestly Byram doesn't bring anything to the top 4 that we don't already have. Dahlin is the No. 1 D and needs a partner, just not one with the same skillset. We need more physical play on defense and better in zone play. Byram doesn't bring either characteristic. To make it worse, he is also damaged goods. TM would be proud of this trade. Like most things KA does, the concept is good, but the execution is terrible. 18 hours ago, Sidc3000 said: I don’t get their obsession with being the youngest team in the league They are trying to get themselves relegated to the CHL. Edited March 8 by GASabresIUFAN 1 1 Quote
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