Getpucksdeep Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 Maybe this makes a Dahlin or Power trade more comfortable to live with for KA. It does for me. 1 1 Quote
Doohicksie Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 30 minutes ago, Pimlach said: Why are the Avs giving up on him? Because they want Casey? Give value to get value? This is the most optimistic take I can come up with. Quote
TageMVP Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 Just now, Getpucksdeep said: Maybe this makes a Dahlin or Power trade more comfortable to live with for KA. It does for me. Now send Power and other stuff for BRADY TKACHUK 1 Quote
That Aud Smell Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 2 minutes ago, pi2000 said: buying low on Byram, selling high on Fortnite what is this about? you keep saying it. Quote
nfreeman Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 My 2 cents: - I like the trade. I've never been a fan of Mitts', and although he's developed over the years from probable washout to decent NHL forward, I sure didn't want to give him $7MM x 7 years (or more), which is what I think an extension would've cost. The characterizations in this thread of Mitts as "our best forward" and "tough to play against" are insane IMHO. - Meanwhile, Byram, who turns 23 in June, has been averaging 20-22 minutes per game in the last 2 seasons for an elite NHL franchise. He's averaged 20 min per game in 27 playoff games. He's a great skater, he fights more than most of our D group and he can score a bit. - There is NFW that they trade Byram after 1 season. If he's good, they'll sign him to a long-term extension. - I understand the reflexive doubt for any move KA makes -- he's earned it with this atrocious season. But I think @pi2000 is right that this was a good and opportunistic move to sell MItts high and buy Byram low. 1 3 1 1 1 Quote
JohninMinn. Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 My initial reaction they are sabotaging the franchise for an eventual move. Second reaction WTF. Third reaction state of denial. I'm pissed. Quote
Doohicksie Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 21 minutes ago, Thorny said: Bowy will fit right in with Cozy and Krebsy. Want to be here. Quote
sabrefanday1 Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 33 minutes ago, Pimlach said: That’s 3 top pairing dmen. Why are the Avs giving up on him? Seems Colorado, like Florida, Edmonton and the Leafs among others, go offense first and clearly do not seem to care about defense. Florida got a forward so Colorado and the Oilers get forwards. I trust the Colorado braintrust to draft this guy he must be okay. I do worry however about health as we do nto need another defenseman who gets hurt all the time. Turth must be Mitts priced himself out of our range and probably made it clear he DID NOT WANT TO BE HERE unless he got BIG money...with all the young guys we are bound to lose more due to cap space in the years ahead too... Quote
Doohicksie Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 23 minutes ago, Getpucksdeep said: I DON'T KNOW WHO I'M ROOTING FOR HERE! 2 Quote
Thorner Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 (edited) 5 minutes ago, nfreeman said: My 2 cents: - I like the trade. I've never been a fan of Mitts', and although he's developed over the years from probable washout to decent NHL forward, I sure didn't want to give him $7MM x 7 years (or more), which is what I think an extension would've cost. The characterizations in this thread of Mitts as "our best forward" and "tough to play against" are insane IMHO. - Meanwhile, Byram, who turns 23 in June, has been averaging 20-22 minutes per game in the last 2 seasons for an elite NHL franchise. He's averaged 20 min per game in 27 playoff games. He's a great skater, he fights more than most of our D group and he can score a bit. - There is NFW that they trade Byram after 1 season. If he's good, they'll sign him to a long-term extension. - I understand the reflexive doubt for any move KA makes -- he's earned it with this atrocious season. But I think @pi2000 is right that this was a good and opportunistic move to sell MItts high and buy Byram low. Definitely unfair to claim negative reaction as reflexive. Plenty of data points to suggest the deal is questionable, looking purely in a vacuum As soon as I saw LHD my heart sank. It goes against principles I’ve argued against in the past. It’s worrying positionally and due to injury concerns. And relative to giving up the forward who’s HAVING the best season, if that bridges that gap for you Edited March 6 by Thorny Quote
inkman Posted March 6 Author Report Posted March 6 2 minutes ago, Flashsabre said: LOL Scouching. Isn’t that dude panned by everyone? Quote
Rasmus_ Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 This trade blows. The metrics and injury concerns on Byram should have screamed red flags. Our GM is a moron. Another lefty great. Quote
inkman Posted March 6 Author Report Posted March 6 Could you imagine time traveling from 2 years ago and see everyone this upset about trading Casey freaking Mittelstadt.? He’s the face of Sabres mediocrity. 4 1 1 1 Quote
Thorner Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 5 minutes ago, Flashsabre said: LOL Scouching. Gets quoted all the time around here by people who follow this stuff more than I do In fairness my leeway for spending time arguing this is low because the scenario where we DO have the “highest ranked pool” means demonstrably nothing, so it’s not an avenue for much potential invigorating discussion Quote
Rasmus_ Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 (edited) 2 minutes ago, inkman said: Could you imagine time traveling from 2 years ago and see everyone this upset about trading Casey freaking Mittelstadt.? He’s the face of Sabres mediocrity. I'm not mad about trading Casey, I'm mad we traded him for a guy with concussion and injury concerns who has "meh" metrics. He's also yet another ***** left handed defensemen. Edited March 6 by Rasmus_ Quote
Thorner Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 (edited) 2 minutes ago, inkman said: Could you imagine time traveling from 2 years ago and see everyone this upset about trading Casey freaking Mittelstadt.? He’s the face of Sabres mediocrity. You should stop whining incessantly about Dahlin then, under the prism of our own argument. Casey was bad so he’s always bad. Fine Dahlin is generational whether you like it or not. That’s what people thought, right? We need to stick to it. that’s your argument Edited March 6 by Thorny 1 Quote
IKnowPhysics Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 Just by getting EJ out and creating a forward roster position, thus will be a net positive for us. Not saying we won the trade, but we improved. 1 Quote
Derrico Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 2 minutes ago, inkman said: Could you imagine time traveling from 2 years ago and see everyone this upset about trading Casey freaking Mittelstadt.? He’s the face of Sabres mediocrity. Especially if someone mentions the deal is Mitts for Byram straight up. Ya ok. Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 5 minutes ago, nfreeman said: My 2 cents: - I like the trade. I've never been a fan of Mitts', and although he's developed over the years from probable washout to decent NHL forward, I sure didn't want to give him $7MM x 7 years (or more), which is what I think an extension would've cost. The characterizations in this thread of Mitts as "our best forward" and "tough to play against" are insane IMHO. - Meanwhile, Byram, who turns 23 in June, has been averaging 20-22 minutes per game in the last 2 seasons for an elite NHL franchise. He's averaged 20 min per game in 27 playoff games. He's a great skater, he fights more than most of our D group and he can score a bit. - There is NFW that they trade Byram after 1 season. If he's good, they'll sign him to a long-term extension. - I understand the reflexive doubt for any move KA makes -- he's earned it with this atrocious season. But I think @pi2000 is right that this was a good and opportunistic move to sell MItts high and buy Byram low. Let's say argument's sake, that Byram stays healthy and has a great season next year. How much would it cost to retain him? 6 mill, 7? KA will also have to re-sign JJP and Quinn and has already invested some 27 million in Dahlin, Power, Clifton and Samuelsson, plus whatever he decides to pay Jokiharju to not run away as he is our only marginally competent RHD. I stand by my prediction, isf Byram plays well, we won't be able to afford to keep him and he'll be traded for other assets. Quote
dudacek Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 (edited) Don't love it or hate it. A hockey trade, and a boom or bust kinda deal. I think you know what you get with Casey: good 2nd-line centre just entering his prime who competes and excels 5-on-5. But I'm a little surprised at the lack of knowledge on Byram: kid was the highest-ranked D in the 2019 draft and looked like a stud on the 2nd pair of a cup-winner as a 20-year-old just 2 years ago. He hasn't been at that level since and he has been injured, but this is a guy who still has the upside to be a 1st-pairing defenceman. I tell you one thing, if you had proposed this trade 2 years ago Colorado fans would have locked the thread and laughed you off the internet. Trading for Byram at this point of his career is like trading for Cozens at this point of his career: you know he's got more than he's shown this year, and not just because he's young, but because you've seen it. The question is how much more? Trading for Casey is like trading for Alex Tuch this time last year: you love what he's doing right now, but also know his value has never been higher. In my view Casey is clearly the better player at this moment in time, Byram clearly has more upside. Sell high, buy low is generally the law of good management, but that only works if you're good with your evaluations. This will be a very good test of our hockey department's skills at exactly that. Edited March 7 by dudacek 5 2 1 1 Quote
Thorner Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 Just now, Derrico said: Especially if someone mentions the deal is Mitts for Byram straight up. Ya ok. Congrats, you won the deal in the past i have some HD DVDs you might be interested in 1 Quote
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