KBC Renovations Update

[Brawndo]

4 hours ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

This is very good Buffalo Sabres news at least the Sabres are committed to staying in Buffalo. Buffalo fans know I am not a fan of Terry Pegula and I doubt I ever will be even if he finally wins a championship. Because I don’t care for his style of absentee ownership even with the Buffalo Bills it’s minimum at best so after getting that out of the way. 
 
Buffalo Sabres fans can do whatever they want it’s a free country. I would never tell anyone what they should do with their hard earned money or how to think. But understand complaining about seating leg room and restrooms is nonsense. The Buffalo Memorial Auditorium was a dump but we still went to games as Buffalo Sabres fans. The Key Bank Center restrooms today are 5 stars compared to the old Buffalo Memorial Auditorium or Buffalo War Memorial Stadium. If you don’t like sports anymore unless the Sabres are winning or the prices are cheap that is fine. But understand there are consequences for that action it’s called the moving van. Again I am fine with Buffalo NHL or AHL hockey as long as Buffalo has some kind of hockey team. But I have a feeling that the ones complaining the most about restrooms and leg room would never go near a Buffalo AHL team replacement for the NHL Buffalo Sabres if it ever came to that. Yet howl the most about missing NHL hockey in Buffalo. I say this because Buffalo Sabres are down there NHL revenue wise today with Arizona Coyotes and Winnipeg Jets two NHL teams that are at risk for relocation. 

The Key Bank Center seating bowl changes only happen with public money that is the general public responsibility it’s in the Buffalo Sabres lease. The Sabres lease is coming up and we as a Western New York community are going to have a choice renew the lease with the upgrades that the Sabres want or not. I think as a Buffalo Sabres fan it comes down to just like the Buffalo Bills you either want major league sports or you don’t in Buffalo? There is a price for major league sports and there are plenty of cities that will take the Sabres off our hands if you want to do the Oakland as I call it. Which is absolutely nothing but complain and not go to games. The ticket prices are the ticket prices for major league sporting events today go or don’t go it seems pretty simple. But in sports regardless of the level you can’t guarantee winning. I wish you could but you can’t.

But I don’t want to hear complaining if the Buffalo Sabres leave town for the Buffalo AHL replacement you get what you pay for. Tickets are never coming down price wise and will always go up. When I read complaints about the restrooms and leg room in seats it tells me this may not be a major league sports town anymore sadly? You either love NHL hockey or you don’t? Seats and restrooms never entered into watching a hockey game for me. Again I am personally good either way Western New York community wants either to do the Oakland and become Rochester sports rivals keep it up.

The biggest problem with the Buffalo Sabres are that the Sabres players are too comfortable and the roster needs a major block buster trades. Eventually that is going to happen and I think it’s Alex Tuch he isn’t a clutch player and any where but Buffalo would be a try hard player on a third line. Alex Tuch isn’t ever going to be a star or a top 6 forward and too many Sabres fans can’t see that yet. Because Alex Tuch is a semi local player from Syracuse. But the reality is that Patrick Kane the Buffalo hometown player most didn’t want even at his age is a more skilled clutch player than an Alex Tuch now. But unfortunately Sabres fans don’t want to hear or accept that fact. Alex Tuch is at his ceiling he isn’t going to get better only older. Now is the time to move him while the Sabres can hopefully get a good return. I would bring in Patrick Kane in free agency and trade for John Tavares out of Toronto. Which I think John Tavares may come available in the summer after the Toronto Maple Leafs collapse in the NHL playoffs again. John Tavares would be the Sabres new captain and Patrick Kane an alternate captain. Completely remaking the culture and locker room for the current Buffalo Sabres in my opinion. Go Sabres!  Let’s Go Buffalo 

Maybe comparing the bathrooms in KBC to two Stadiums that opened prior to the United States entering World War II, probably isn’t the best analogy. 
Might be a better idea to look at some newer arenas to compare facilities built starting with the internet becoming a thing 
 

[Claude Balls]

7 hours ago, OverPowerYou said:

I’m so excited about this new roof. I’ll probably buy tickets to see it next year 

But a drone to get a birds eye view. Will be much cheaper. 

[Sabres73]

3 hours ago, pastajoe said:

Pegula blackmails taxpayers to reduce the cost of the lease and/or pay for much of the needed renovations, or else he’ll sell the team to investors in Utah, Atlanta, Houston, or Quebec.

Like literally many, many pro-sports team owners. You're criticizing just him for this?

[shrader]

1 hour ago, Goldseatsaud said:

Agree the lower bowl are terrible. I’m 6’3”. 

I’ve been in 5 or 6 building all with that same problem. Granted, a few have been 10+ years ago now. I’m not so sure they can correct it short of tearing up the entire lower bowl. 

[John Tucker]

Well, the good news is they’ll have plenty of time to get it finished before next season!

[Stoner]

This reminds me of the time they raised the roof on the Aud in time for opening night 1971. My oldest and I went down during the noon hour to watch the workers open their lunch pails. We bonded that summer as he was preparing to go to mortuary school in the fall.

[pi2000]

of all the possible upgrades... a new roof?

what's wrong with the current roof?

[PerreaultForever]

4 hours ago, John Tucker said:

Well, the good news is they’ll have plenty of time to get it finished before next season!

See it was always part of the "plan". 

[thewookie1]

1 hour ago, pi2000 said:

of all the possible upgrades... a new roof?

what's wrong with the current roof?

There's a couple leaks they can't fix via patching according to a source I know.

[French Collection]

5 hours ago, pi2000 said:

of all the possible upgrades... a new roof?

what's wrong with the current roof?

It’s the equivalent of Eric Robinson, why would you spend extra on something the fans could get excited about.

[#freejame]

9 hours ago, Sabres73 said:

Like literally many, many pro-sports team owners. You're criticizing just him for this?

It’s ***** any of them do it, but this thread is specifically about the Sabres so it mostly concerns their owner. 

[SabresBillsFan]

16 hours ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

This is very good Buffalo Sabres news at least the Sabres are committed to staying in Buffalo. Buffalo fans know I am not a fan of Terry Pegula and I doubt I ever will be even if he finally wins a championship. Because I don’t care for his style of absentee ownership even with the Buffalo Bills it’s minimum at best so after getting that out of the way. 
 
Buffalo Sabres fans can do whatever they want it’s a free country. I would never tell anyone what they should do with their hard earned money or how to think. But understand complaining about seating leg room and restrooms is nonsense. The Buffalo Memorial Auditorium was a dump but we still went to games as Buffalo Sabres fans. The Key Bank Center restrooms today are 5 stars compared to the old Buffalo Memorial Auditorium or Buffalo War Memorial Stadium. If you don’t like sports anymore unless the Sabres are winning or the prices are cheap that is fine. But understand there are consequences for that action it’s called the moving van. Again I am fine with Buffalo NHL or AHL hockey as long as Buffalo has some kind of hockey team. But I have a feeling that the ones complaining the most about restrooms and leg room would never go near a Buffalo AHL team replacement for the NHL Buffalo Sabres if it ever came to that. Yet howl the most about missing NHL hockey in Buffalo. I say this because Buffalo Sabres are down there NHL revenue wise today with Arizona Coyotes and Winnipeg Jets two NHL teams that are at risk for relocation. 

The Key Bank Center seating bowl changes only happen with public money that is the general public responsibility it’s in the Buffalo Sabres lease. The Sabres lease is coming up and we as a Western New York community are going to have a choice renew the lease with the upgrades that the Sabres want or not. I think as a Buffalo Sabres fan it comes down to just like the Buffalo Bills you either want major league sports or you don’t in Buffalo? There is a price for major league sports and there are plenty of cities that will take the Sabres off our hands if you want to do the Oakland as I call it. Which is absolutely nothing but complain and not go to games. The ticket prices are the ticket prices for major league sporting events today go or don’t go it seems pretty simple. But in sports regardless of the level you can’t guarantee winning. I wish you could but you can’t.

But I don’t want to hear complaining if the Buffalo Sabres leave town for the Buffalo AHL replacement you get what you pay for. Tickets are never coming down price wise and will always go up. When I read complaints about the restrooms and leg room in seats it tells me this may not be a major league sports town anymore sadly? You either love NHL hockey or you don’t? Seats and restrooms never entered into watching a hockey game for me. Again I am personally good either way Western New York community wants either to do the Oakland and become Rochester sports rivals keep it up.

The biggest problem with the Buffalo Sabres are that the Sabres players are too comfortable and the roster needs a major block buster trades. Eventually that is going to happen and I think it’s Alex Tuch he isn’t a clutch player and any where but Buffalo would be a try hard player on a third line. Alex Tuch isn’t ever going to be a star or a top 6 forward and too many Sabres fans can’t see that yet. Because Alex Tuch is a semi local player from Syracuse. But the reality is that Patrick Kane the Buffalo hometown player most didn’t want even at his age is a more skilled clutch player than an Alex Tuch now. But unfortunately Sabres fans don’t want to hear or accept that fact. Alex Tuch is at his ceiling he isn’t going to get better only older. Now is the time to move him while the Sabres can hopefully get a good return. I would bring in Patrick Kane in free agency and trade for John Tavares out of Toronto. Which I think John Tavares may come available in the summer after the Toronto Maple Leafs collapse in the NHL playoffs again. John Tavares would be the Sabres new captain and Patrick Kane an alternate captain. Completely remaking the culture and locker room for the current Buffalo Sabres in my opinion. Go Sabres!  Let’s Go Buffalo 

Since Tuch was originally here in Vegas first and I know the Golden Knights better than anyone on this board since I’m at every home game, You are spot on. Tuch is a very good player leaving you wanting more. If he would use his size and speed every shift he would be a scary player but it’s so sporadic when he does. Plus he’s not a finisher. 
My only issue with this team is coaching, I believe if they had a tough coach along with a better defensive coach this team would be much better. They give up way too many chances and someone really needs to work with Power. I’m so over Kyle Okposo as I thought he should have not been resigned as well as Zemgus. 

[LTS]

15 hours ago, Brawndo said:

Maybe comparing the bathrooms in KBC to two Stadiums that opened prior to the United States entering World War II, probably isn’t the best analogy. 
Might be a better idea to look at some newer arenas to compare facilities built starting with the internet becoming a thing 
 

Are there pictures of other arenas bathrooms on the Internet?  asking for inkman.

11 hours ago, pi2000 said:

of all the possible upgrades... a new roof?

what's wrong with the current roof?

Well, the new roof will have the phrase "Don't Worry, Be Happy" on the underside so when fans raise their heads in disbelief of the team they'll have a positive reminder.

[Porous Five Hole]

11 hours ago, pi2000 said:

of all the possible upgrades... a new roof?

what's wrong with the current roof?

I don’t know anything about arena roofing, but 30 years seems like a natural life for a roof.  The fact that the work is being done means the Sabres aren’t going anywhere for a long time.  

[TheAud]

I guess a first step towards more meaningful renovations is better than no steps. 

Edited February 27 by TheAud

[thewookie1]

1 of the leaks in the roof sits above a couple seats in the 300 level which have to be moved most games due to the rain/snow melting and dripping down. 

Supposedly the original plan was fix the roof, install new sound equipment in the rafters to better reflect and deflect sound and the addition of a new Jumbotron. COVID, Kim's "Stroke" and the new Bills Stadium delayed the plans. The updated plans are now known with them intending to replace the roof entirely in order to avoid potential continued failures in the 30+ year old roof. 

 

[Mango]

1 hour ago, Porous Five Hole said:

I don’t know anything about arena roofing, but 30 years seems like a natural life for a roof.  The fact that the work is being done means the Sabres aren’t going anywhere for a long time.  

Why? 

I flip flop on whether the Sabres will leave. But even by your own admission, how is replacing a roof at the end of its life proof of anything? 

[Mango]

37 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

1 of the leaks in the roof sits above a couple seats in the 300 level which have to be moved most games due to the rain/snow melting and dripping down. 

Supposedly the original plan was fix the roof, install new sound equipment in the rafters to better reflect and deflect sound and the addition of a new Jumbotron. COVID, Kim's "Stroke" and the new Bills Stadium delayed the plans. The updated plans are now known with them intending to replace the roof entirely in order to avoid potential continued failures in the 30+ year old roof. 

 

I think part of the reason the acoustics are being looked at is because of the new jumbotron. Not so much a "convenience" thing. But more so even if they keep the same exact audio gear in place it likely has to be repositioned which will change the arena sound. Similarly if they upgrade the audio system as well. Either way everything would need to be more or less recalibrated. 

[Porous Five Hole]

20 minutes ago, Mango said:

Why? 

I flip flop on whether the Sabres will leave. But even by your own admission, how is replacing a roof at the end of its life proof of anything? 

I look at it positively.  The team is upgrading their house.  And there are no Winnipeg-style ownership moaning about ticket sales or attendance while they’re doing it. 

[Goldseatsaud]

17 hours ago, shrader said:

I’ve been in 5 or 6 building all with that same problem. Granted, a few have been 10+ years ago now. I’m not so sure they can correct it short of tearing up the entire lower bowl. 

I wouldn’t sit in the lower bowl all family are midgets. Lol

[SwampD]

On 2/26/2024 at 1:21 PM, ... said:

What do you suppose 12:20 signifies?

Year 12 of the expected 20 year playoff drought.

[ska-T Chitown]

On 2/26/2024 at 7:51 PM, Brawndo said:

Maybe comparing the bathrooms in KBC to two Stadiums that opened prior to the United States entering World War II, probably isn’t the best analogy. 
Might be a better idea to look at some newer arenas to compare facilities built starting with the internet becoming a thing 
 

The ESL chat bot is not that sophisticated. (I assume it is ESL based on all the small grammatical errors)

[pastajoe]

On 2/26/2024 at 10:17 PM, Sabres73 said:

Like literally many, many pro-sports team owners. You're criticizing just him for this?

He’s the topic at hand, not other owners. And given Buffalo’s relatively smaller population, it has more of an impact on taxpayers. Remember those famous words, “If I need more money I’ll drill another well”.

[Doohicksie]

Adam Zyglis is spot on:

 

[BreakOutSquad]

On 2/26/2024 at 12:22 PM, Brawndo said:

 

KBC is turning into a dump.