Marvin Posted February 20 Report Posted February 20 20 minutes ago, North Buffalo said: Nope and he shouldnt because it's symptomatic of the problem... coaches and leaders are affable and dont know when to be nasty and push harder than routine. I believe you are largely correct on a gut level, but I can't explain why. 2 Quote
Radar Posted February 20 Report Posted February 20 4 hours ago, Believer said: Hard to say… Pegula runs a billion dollar energy enterprise… and has replaced more than a few GMs and Coaches… so we know he can act decisively… Seems he’s still under the spell of Adam’s considerable charms… and not thinking like a decisive hockey owner… The fans and the Buffalo and Hockey Media are sending him signals he needs to act… In the meantime the monetary value of his franchise keeps growing… despite the team’s 13 year 900+ game playoff nonappearance… Running a billion dollar company doesn't necessarily mean he can run any company let alone a sports franchise. He's either clueless as a hockey owner or just doesn't care at this point. I started out excited about his purchasing the team to now thinking he may be the main problem. 1 Quote
That Aud Smell Posted February 20 Author Report Posted February 20 3 minutes ago, Radar said: Running a billion dollar company doesn't necessarily mean he can run any company let alone a sports franchise. He's either clueless as a hockey owner or just doesn't care at this point. I started out excited about his purchasing the team to now thinking he may be the main problem. He’s an oilman, a speculator. He was far, far more likely to go broke than become a billionaire. Fortune smiled on him. 1 1 Quote
Believer Posted February 20 Report Posted February 20 23 minutes ago, Radar said: Running a billion dollar company doesn't necessarily mean he can run any company let alone a sports franchise. He's either clueless as a hockey owner or just doesn't care at this point. I started out excited about his purchasing the team to now thinking he may be the main problem. Like you (and I imagine most fans), was excited when Pegula bought the Sabres as well… His investment in LECOM Harborcenter demonstrated his early commitment to the Sabres… Think the emergence of the Bills as a perennial contender the past several years and the attendant national attention has kept Pegula focused on the Bills and their ride… Then, his wife’s health issues and the impact on Pegula Sports & Entertainment management, his daughter’s climb in women’s pro tennis… Easy to understand the distractions… Still, was surprised when Adams revealed recently Pegula watches every Sabres game and has regular discussions with him… Hard to fathom why he is so complacent as the franchise continues fail on its promise… Confounding. 2 Quote
Pimlach Posted February 20 Report Posted February 20 14 minutes ago, Believer said: Like you (and I imagine most fans), was excited when Pegula bought the Sabres as well… His investment in LECOM Harborcenter demonstrated his early commitment to the Sabres… Think the emergence of the Bills as a perennial contender the past several years and the attendant national attention has kept Pegula focused on the Bills and their ride… Then, his wife’s health issues and the impact on Pegula Sports & Entertainment management, his daughter’s climb in women’s pro tennis… Easy to understand the distractions… Still, was surprised when Adams revealed recently Pegula watches every Sabres game and has regular discussions with him… Hard to fathom why he is so complacent as the franchise continues fail on its promise… Confounding. I think Pegula and Adams are going to continue to slow roll this rebuild using their own internally developed prospects almost exclusively. No more spending to the cap until they break through with their current core No more big free agent signings or major trades No more coaching changes when the next coach is going to be similarly hamstrung like the current No money to spend on the Arena until the Stadium progresses Quote
zero39 Posted February 20 Report Posted February 20 From his comments on the WGR show, it sounds like DG was supportive of the players' decision to stop saluting the fans after victories on home ace. That is an amazing position for a coach to take since, after all, the millions of dollars in salaries are paid by the public. Then I watched the press conference he conducted after this morning's practice and not a single question was asked about this issue and there were no tough questions at all about the underachieving team or its terrible record at home. Instead it was a Henri Jokiharju lovefest. It is good to see that the media covering the Sabres is as soft as the team. I think that it is imperative that Kevyn Adams step forward on this issue. I can't believe that he would be ok with the team going to war with the fans or blaming the fans for their own play. Quote
Mango Posted February 20 Report Posted February 20 The more I think about it the more this likely makes some sense as to why this team can't win at home. Nobody and I mean NOBODY in this organization has a single ounce of "protect this ice" or "not in our house" mentality. Not one person from owner, to the GM, to the Head Coach, to the the 53rd skater in the pipeline. 3 1 Quote
Buffalonill Posted February 20 Report Posted February 20 21 minutes ago, Pimlach said: I think Pegula and Adams are going to continue to slow roll this rebuild using their own internally developed prospects almost exclusively. No more spending to the cap until they break through with their current core No more big free agent signings or major trades No more coaching changes when the next coach is going to be similarly hamstrung like the current No money to spend on the Arena until the Stadium progresses Man if that's the feeling I want him to Sell the team What the *****. I don't understand how you have a super bowl team but the sabres suck 1 Quote
Mango Posted February 20 Report Posted February 20 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Buffalonill said: Man if that's the feeling I want him to Sell the team What the *****. I don't understand how you have a super bowl team but the sabres suck A few reasons: 1. Luck - He just got lucky with McBeane 2. Allen - Part of this rolls into number 1. 3. It has been long rumored that both McDermott both have no meddling clauses in their contracts and that they themselves actively try and keep their org very separate from the Sabres org. If/When Allen retires and the sunsets on McDermott and Beane the Bills will plummet into a joke. I am certain of this. And the number 1 reason why I am OK with never ever moving on from the both of them together. Edited February 20 by Mango 1 Quote
Believer Posted February 20 Report Posted February 20 18 minutes ago, Pimlach said: I think Pegula and Adams are going to continue to slow roll this rebuild using their own internally developed prospects almost exclusively. You are likely right about these two… Resolute and stubborn… despite the team failure and growing fan discontent… Still hoping for Okposo’s imminent departure… and a reset bringing in a few winning warriors and discarding a few losing lunkheads who refuse to play the right way. 1 Quote
Pimlach Posted February 20 Report Posted February 20 (edited) 2 hours ago, Buffalonill said: Man if that's the feeling I want him to Sell the team What the *****. I don't understand how you have a super bowl team but the sabres suck Just like a coin flip: Good luck for the Bills => McDermott and Beane and Josh Allen Bad Luck for the Sabres => No Coach, No GM, No Savior The Bills success has little to do with Pegula and much more to do with how the NFL operates. The NFL is a league that does things to increase parity, and to help the best future head coaches and future FO staff become known and available to other teams. The NFL is fed by one draft pool that is much better scouted and much better understood. NHL drafts players that are very young. They have different rules for Jr Hockey, different rules for NCAA, and different rules for Europe/Russia. Its harder and slower to re-build in hockey team. Edited February 20 by Pimlach 1 Quote
OverPowerYou Posted June 25 Report Posted June 25 I hope Okposo is happy now for his Florida fans 1 Quote
Demoted Posted June 25 Report Posted June 25 (edited) 59 minutes ago, OverPowerYou said: I hope Okposo is happy now for his Florida fans He is happier than you are, that's for sure. And EVERYONE is happier than @PASabreFan Edited June 25 by Demoted 1 Quote
LTS Posted June 25 Report Posted June 25 30 minutes ago, OverPowerYou said: I hope Okposo is happy now for his Florida fans I hope so too. And happy for his family and his friends, his teammates, and himself as well. I bet he's also happy with Kevyn Adams who traded him to Florida giving him an opportunity to be part of a team that ultimately won the Stanley Cup fulfilling one of his lifelong dreams. So, now he's even happy for the GM of the Sabres. All this happiness. 1 Quote
Stoner Posted June 25 Report Posted June 25 1 minute ago, LTS said: I hope so too. And happy for his family and his friends, his teammates, and himself as well. I bet he's also happy with Kevyn Adams who traded him to Florida giving him an opportunity to be part of a team that ultimately won the Stanley Cup fulfilling one of his lifelong dreams. So, now he's even happy for the GM of the Sabres. All this happiness. I bet when Kyle was a boy he dreamt of being traded to a contender, spending very little time there and contributing very little, then getting handed the Cup. 1 1 1 Quote
JohnC Posted June 25 Report Posted June 25 52 minutes ago, PASabreFan said: I bet when Kyle was a boy he dreamt of being traded to a contender, spending very little time there and contributing very little, then getting handed the Cup. Isn't that better than wasting away in a franchise stuck in the muck of its own incompetency? I'm happy for Kyle and his family. The lack of graciousness here is unappealing. Quote
Stoner Posted June 25 Report Posted June 25 4 minutes ago, JohnC said: Isn't that better than wasting away in a franchise stuck in the muck of its own incompetency? I'm happy for Kyle and his family. The lack of graciousness here is unappealing. He did waste away. That can't be erased with a quick vaca to Florida. Players getting Cups like this is cheap. 1 Quote
#freejame Posted June 25 Report Posted June 25 Just now, PASabreFan said: He did waste away. That can't be erased with a quick vaca to Florida. Players getting Cups like this is cheap. But he deserves it! Quote
SwampD Posted June 25 Report Posted June 25 16 minutes ago, PASabreFan said: He did waste away. That can't be erased with a quick vaca to Florida. Players getting Cups like this is cheap. Meh. One of their star players mentioned him specifically in the post game interview. We will never know if Florida would have won if Kyle wasn’t on the team. Kyle will always know that he could have been a part of a SC winning team,… because he was. When the Sabres eventually win the cup, there will most likely be a guy on the team getting a cheap cup. He’ll deserve it, too. 3 1 1 Quote
JohnC Posted June 25 Report Posted June 25 19 minutes ago, PASabreFan said: He did waste away. That can't be erased with a quick vaca to Florida. Players getting Cups like this is cheap. There is nothing new about player movement at trade deadlines. Teams vying for the playoffs and the Cup make moves to improve their teams, even if it is to marginally improve. There was nothing out of the norm for a veteran be dealt at an end of the season deal. Kyle is a highly respected player and person. Why not be happy for this type of person who concluded his long career hoisting the Cup? Good for him! 2 Quote
Believer Posted June 25 Report Posted June 25 1 hour ago, PASabreFan said: I bet when Kyle was a boy he dreamt of being traded to a contender, spending very little time there and contributing very little, then getting handed the Cup. A Cup is a Cup. KO has one now. Expecting the Panthers success with their D rebuild further motivates Adams and Ruff to change our style of play. And hoping the Panthers success whets the appetite of our core players to emulate their effort and commitment to winning. Last chance, Adams. Give Ruff the players he wants. 1 1 1 Quote
Pimlach Posted June 25 Report Posted June 25 56 minutes ago, PASabreFan said: He did waste away. That can't be erased with a quick vaca to Florida. Players getting Cups like this is cheap. Just about every year a player finally gets a Cup. There are always vets dealt at the deadline from poor teams to strong teams, and always hope that it could happen for them. Edmonton had a similar older guy in Henrique, but no one talks about the losing teams very much. Kyle is the guy this year, and he got it in part because Florida wanted him. He had a coach that knew when to play him and when to let him talk to the team, even if he was a new player with very little skin in the game. To me that says something about him that we fans don't see. PS - Paul Maurice really proved he can go beyond X's and O's, and motivate and really understand his team and how to get the most from them. 1 2 Quote
That Aud Smell Posted June 25 Author Report Posted June 25 2 hours ago, PASabreFan said: I bet when Kyle was a boy he dreamt of being traded to a contender, spending very little time there and contributing very little, then getting handed the Cup. 1 hour ago, PASabreFan said: He did waste away. That can't be erased with a quick vaca to Florida. Players getting Cups like this is cheap. You elsewhere chided @LGR4GM for calling some posters here bitter about Okposo's winning a Cup. Bro. This is some bitter stuff. Quote
Buffalonill Posted June 25 Report Posted June 25 2 hours ago, PASabreFan said: I bet when Kyle was a boy he dreamt of being traded to a contender, spending very little time there and contributing very little, then getting handed the Cup. Quote
oddoublee Posted June 25 Report Posted June 25 Kyle seems like a good dude - and I cannot help but be happy for him. But if any fans here are harboring ill will because they suspect he was behind or supportive of the team's boycott of the fan salute and otherwise anti fan chirping in the lockerroom - I understand that completely. 1 Quote
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