Buffalo Bills 2024 Thread

[Pimlach]

22 hours ago, JohnC said:

I no longer accept excuses for this bedraggled franchise. There is no excuse for not qualifying for the playoffs (in an expanded system) in a generation. 

I'm not a despairing fan. I recognize that there is a good chance that we will make the playoffs this year. But I'm not going allow excuses to rationalize this generational failure. Our record is our record. Bad hockey decisions made on top of bad decisions resulting where we are now, and where we have been for a generation. That is not acceptable to me. There are plenty of reasons why the many players in this league have no trade clauses to Buffalo in their contracts. It has little to do with the city as it has to do with how our franchise is viewed by outsiders.  

Reinhart is one of the best players on a Stanley Cup team He's also an upper echelon player in the league. We had him in our system and had the ability to retain him. The GM decided not to do so. It was not a good decision. No GM makes decisions where all turn out right. However, our GMs have a history of making enough bad decisions that have kept this franchise mired in the muck of mediocrity. No more excuses!

I give you one point for the use of the word "bedraggled".   It fits my golf game the last two times out.   I am heading out soon to un-bedraggle it.  

[mjd1001]

Dawson Knox.

Ok, we are at the halfway point of the season. Ok, 8 games used to be the halfway point, not we have a 17 game season but close enough.

Knox. In 8 games, they have thrown him the ball 11 times and he has 7 receptions.

Now I know he is good blocking, but he's on a pace for under 20 receptions, and I read his cap hit is over $14m next year and over $17m the year after. 

Maybe hes a good blocker, but they can't keep him around at those numbers, can they?

[Idemo Buffalo]

25 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

Dawson Knox.

Ok, we are at the halfway point of the season. Ok, 8 games used to be the halfway point, not we have a 17 game season but close enough.

Knox. In 8 games, they have thrown him the ball 11 times and he has 7 receptions.

Now I know he is good blocking, but he's on a pace for under 20 receptions, and I read his cap hit is over $14m next year and over $17m the year after. 

Maybe hes a good blocker, but they can't keep him around at those numbers, can they?

Josh Allen loves Dawson Knox. I suspect he is going nowhere. I wouldn't judge his season just yet. He may wind up being the star of a game against the Chiefs or Lions. He has his moments.

[JustOneParade]

3 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

Dawson Knox.

Ok, we are at the halfway point of the season. Ok, 8 games used to be the halfway point, not we have a 17 game season but close enough.

Knox. In 8 games, they have thrown him the ball 11 times and he has 7 receptions.

Now I know he is good blocking, but he's on a pace for under 20 receptions, and I read his cap hit is over $14m next year and over $17m the year after. 

Maybe hes a good blocker, but they can't keep him around at those numbers, can they?

Next year probably. The Bills won’t be so desperate to get rid of him for the cost (ex, Diggs). ‘26 is a different story. While he has a sizable salary the Bills would save over $9m on the cap by releasing him. Also wouldn’t be surprised to see Knox take a pay cut to stay.

[Idemo Buffalo]

Closing the season with Pats-Jets-Pats looks pretty good right now.

[Demoted]

3 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

Dawson Knox.

Ok, we are at the halfway point of the season. Ok, 8 games used to be the halfway point, not we have a 17 game season but close enough.

Knox. In 8 games, they have thrown him the ball 11 times and he has 7 receptions.

Now I know he is good blocking, but he's on a pace for under 20 receptions, and I read his cap hit is over $14m next year and over $17m the year after. 

Maybe hes a good blocker, but they can't keep him around at those numbers, can they?

He will probably get an extension to cut his cap down.

[Broken Ankles]

Don’t get me wrong, I would love to see the Jets make a comeback and beat Houston….But you gotta love the Jet nation meltdown.  
Good thing they have a top 3 QB on the field to help (32 yards passing) 😏

 

 

[SwampD]

9 hours ago, Broken Ankles said:

Don’t get me wrong, I would love to see the Jets make a comeback and beat Houston….But you gotta love the Jet nation meltdown.  
Good thing they have a top 3 QB on the field to help (32 yards passing) 😏

 

 

That's ridiculous. But when the Houston guy dropped the ball in the Bills playoff game, some guy with a clipboard comes out and says ,"No, he meant to take a knee. No TD for Buffalo." What, that guy didn't mean to score a touchdown. The NFL is comical.

[shrader]

12 hours ago, Broken Ankles said:

Don’t get me wrong, I would love to see the Jets make a comeback and beat Houston….But you gotta love the Jet nation meltdown.  
Good thing they have a top 3 QB on the field to help (32 yards passing) 😏

 

 

It blows my mind that this has happened more than once in the history of the nfl. After the embarrassment that comes with every single clip we’ve ever seen, these guys should be Forest Gumping it and running straight out of the stadium. 

[LTS]

29 minutes ago, shrader said:

It blows my mind that this has happened more than once in the history of the nfl. After the embarrassment that comes with every single clip we’ve ever seen, these guys should be Forest Gumping it and running straight out of the stadium. 

Players who commit that grievous offense demonstrate an important personality trait. They are more concerned with their accomplishment and being flashy than the details it takes to win.

This bonehead has a chance at his first career TD and rather than want to keep that ball forever he decides to drop it.  The fact that he did it before the end zone makes it comical, but it's your first NFL TD.. you should want to not let go of that ball, ever.

[That Aud Smell]

My question - and I have not been able to get an answer for it - is: What would have happened if that ball had not rolled out of the end zone?

[That Aud Smell]

If the ball came to rest within the end zone, the refs would have picked it up and the play would have been dead.

What's the outcome there? A replay of the down?

Edited November 1 by That Aud Smell

[LGR4GM]

6 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:

If the ball came to rest within the end zone, the refs would have picked it up and the play would have been dead.

What's the outcome there? A replay of the down?

Ball is placed at the 1yrd line. 

[That Aud Smell]

23 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Ball is placed at the 1yrd line. 

Thanks. Is that just a(n educated) guess?

If you're stating it as fact: How do you know that?

Edited November 1 by That Aud Smell

[LGR4GM]

10 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:

Thanks. Is that just a(n educated) guess?

If you're stating it as fact: How do you know that?

Happened in a college game, I wanna say 2013 or 2014 where the guy drops it and the refs rule td and pick up the ball. The review showed him short so they put it at the 1 yard line because that's where the receiver lost possession.

Edited November 1 by LGR4GM

[Taro T]

1 hour ago, That Aud Smell said:

My question - and I have not been able to get an answer for it - is: What would have happened if that ball had not rolled out of the end zone?

Presuming the ball stays in the end zone:

If the Texasses recovered it, the ball would've been theirs at their 20.

If the Jest recovered, it would've been a touchdown.

If nobody bothered to recover it, the ball would've been the Jest and placed at the point of the fumble (roughly the 1 yard line).

If it didn't stay in the end zone:

As it actually rolled out of the endzone, it ended up a touchback for the Texasses.  Their ball at their 20.

Had it come back into the field of play and been recovered, it would've been the recovering team's ball at the spot of recovery.

Had it come back into the field of play and gone out of bounds, it would've been spotted where it went out and whichever team (most likely the Jest) that had last controlled it would have possession.

That covers MOST of the ways the play could have played out.

And, had they been playing against the Bills with the ball going out of bounds or the Bills recovering, some jackhole that wasn't an actual in-game ref would've come over to the refs to tell the refs that the Jest player MEANT to score a TD so just give it to them.😡

[K-9]

1 hour ago, That Aud Smell said:

My question - and I have not been able to get an answer for it - is: What would have happened if that ball had not rolled out of the end zone?

Nothing, because it was already ruled a TD. It would have remained a live ball if no TD was signaled, obviously. If it had been recovered by the Jest, it's their ball at the one because you can't advance your fumble. If the Texans recovered and no effort was made by them to advance the ball, they get it at the twenty on the touchback.

[Taro T]

11 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Nothing, because it was already ruled a TD. It would have remained a live ball if no TD was signaled, obviously. If it had been recovered by the Jest, it's their ball at the one because you can't advance your fumble. If the Texans recovered and no effort was made by them to advance the ball, they get it at the twenty on the touchback.

You can advance a fumble in general.  You can't advance one in the final 2 minutes nor on 4th down unless the fumbling player is the one recovering it.

[That Aud Smell]

17 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Nothing, because it was already ruled a TD. It would have remained a live ball if no TD was signaled, obviously. If it had been recovered by the Jest, it's their ball at the one because you can't advance your fumble. If the Texans recovered and no effort was made by them to advance the ball, they get it at the twenty on the touchback.

Huh? I think the question was answered upthread. The Texans got the ball on their own 20 because the ball rolled - slowly rolled - out of the back of the end zone.

My question was: What if the ball had not rolled out of the end zone? What would replay have done then if the refs had picked up a live ball (thinking it was dead)?

I think it must be right that the Jets would have been given the ball at the ~1 (or half) yard line.

21 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Presuming the ball stays in the end zone:

If nobody bothered to recover it, the ball would've been the Jest and placed at the point of the fumble (roughly the 1 yard line).

Or, as it happened, if the refs picked it up and blew the play dead before anyone bothered to recover it (not that anyone was bothering to do so).

I imagine defensive coaches are drilling their players: If the ball's loose in the end zone because it was dropped by a hot dogging player, fall on it.

[shrader]

15 minutes ago, Taro T said:

You can advance a fumble in general.  You can't advance one in the final 2 minutes nor on 4th down unless the fumbling player is the one recovering it.

We've seen it a few times already this year, even just last week with that fumble that Allen kicked forward 10 or so yards.

[Taro T]

5 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:

Huh? I think the question was answered upthread. The Texans got the ball on their own 20 because the ball rolled - slowly rolled - out of the back of the end zone.

My question was: What if the ball had not rolled out of the end zone? What would replay have done then if the refs had picked up a live ball (thinking it was dead)?

I think it must be right that the Jets would have been given the ball at the ~1 (or half) yard line.

Or, as it happened, if the refs picked it up and blew the play dead before anyone bothered to recover it (not that anyone was bothering to do so).

I imagine defensive coaches are drilling their players: If the ball's loose in the end zone because it was dropped by a hot dogging player, fall on it.

Not sure what you're getting at with the bolded.  As you'd said earlier, the ball did roll slowly out of the end zone and it was a touchback for Houston at that point.  Were you referring to the playoff game in Houston and just misselected which portion of the quote you were responding to?

2 minutes ago, shrader said:

We've seen it a few times already this year, even just last week with that fumble that Allen kicked forward 10 or so yards.

Yep.  And you can't advance a fumble that's intentionally kicked or batted, but the refs decided (correctly IMHO) that Allen's kicking the ball was accidental.  (Had he not kicked it, he likely would've recovered it himself several yards back from where his teammate eventually recovered it.)

[Idemo Buffalo]

On 10/21/2024 at 2:40 PM, That Aud Smell said:

(This is simply not a credible take.)

Aaron Rodgers just beat a team we couldn't beat.  Threw for 3TD's.  Looks like my take is a lot more credible now.  😀

Rodgers probably won't beat the Bills on December 29, but I won't be shocked if they are on a 7 game winning streak when they get to Orchard Park. Dangerous team if we are fighting for the #1 seed and they are fighting for their playoff life.

 

 

[K-9]

18 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:

Huh? I think the question was answered upthread. The Texans got the ball on their own 20 because the ball rolled - slowly rolled - out of the back of the end zone.

My question was: What if the ball had not rolled out of the end zone? What would replay have done then if the refs had picked up a live ball (thinking it was dead)?

I think it must be right that the Jets would have been given the ball at the ~1 (or half) yard line.

Or, as it happened, if the refs picked it up and blew the play dead before anyone bothered to recover it (not that anyone was bothering to do so).

I imagine defensive coaches are drilling their players: If the ball's loose in the end zone because it was dropped by a hot dogging player, fall on it.

So you're asking if a TD was never signaled and the refs threw the blue marker and ruled it a fumble immediately and what happens if the ball came to rest in the endzone? The refs wouldn't have picked up the live ball because they've already signaled it's a fumble. And they would simply have waited for either team to recover the ball. There's no time limit on that.

But Taro is correct in that if the Jets had recovered in the endzone it's a TD because the fumble occurred at a time when it's legal for a team to advance its own fumble. 

[That Aud Smell]

50 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Not sure what you're getting at with the bolded. 

Here's what I was talking about. My question was

2 hours ago, That Aud Smell said:

What would have happened if that ball had not rolled out of the end zone?

And this answer came (especially the bolded).

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

Nothing, because it was already ruled a TD. It would have remained a live ball if no TD was signaled, obviously. If it had been recovered by the Jest, it's their ball at the one because you can't advance your fumble. If the Texans recovered and no effort was made by them to advance the ball, they get it at the twenty on the touchback.

I thought K-9 missed the thrust of my question - hence my "huh?"

The other answers upthread confirmed that something would have happened if, instead of rolling out of the end zone, the ball had laid still in the end zone and then been picked up (in error) by the refs.

That is: Rather than the Texans getting the ball on the 20, the Jets would have had it on the ~1. 

Am I missing something?

37 minutes ago, K-9 said:

So you're asking if a TD was never signaled and the refs threw the blue marker and ruled it a fumble immediately and what happens if the ball came to rest in the endzone?

Nope. I'm asking: What if, instead of rolling out of the end zone, that ball had come to rest in the end zone, and was then picked up (in error (?)) by the refs.

I'm given to understand that the ruling would have been different than what actually happened last night.

Edited November 1 by That Aud Smell

[That Aud Smell]

Ah. Wait. ...

It's been a long week.

Touchdown signaled on the field. Play's dead at that time.

FAHK.

I have sleep to catch up on. Can anyone tell?