Buffalo Bills 2024 Thread

[shrader]

How does a QB, a guy paid an insane amount of money to throw a football, miss a spike by probably a good ten yards?

[Ogelthorpe]

Last 4 playoff losses to Chiefs defense has given up avg of 34.75 points. 

That is not officiating! That is coaching, scheme, and players. 

[CallawaySabres]

I can't believe our crap hockey team is all we have left until September, ugh.

[Stoner]

1 hour ago, Pimlach said:

Yup, I am devastated.  

They didn't.   Very vanilla game plan overall. They didn't even adjust to the tush push getting stopped.  

I find it very curious that Cook was not on the field for the last drive.  He was running hard, finding lanes, he should have been getting passes too.  He had two brilliant TDs and he played like a the guy that wanted the game put on his shoulders.  Yet, he was underutilized IMO.  

 

It didn't call for an adjustment. It called for a game plan where McD anticipated that Reid would do x,y,z to stop what the Bills coach called their best play all season. That's a good game plan.

1 hour ago, Pimlach said:

Yup, I am devastated.  

They didn't.   Very vanilla game plan overall. They didn't even adjust to the tush push getting stopped.  

I find it very curious that Cook was not on the field for the last drive.  He was running hard, finding lanes, he should have been getting passes too.  He had two brilliant TDs and he played like a the guy that wanted the game put on his shoulders.  Yet, he was underutilized IMO.  

 

It didn't call for an adjustment. It called for a game plan where McD anticipated that Reid would do x,y,z to stop what the Bills coach called their best play all season. That's a good game plan.

I hate the double post. It's like hitting both posts in hockey.

[SabresBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Ogelthorpe said:

Last 4 playoff losses to Chiefs defense has given up avg of 34.75 points. 

That is not officiating! That is coaching, scheme, and players. 

^This, to me the defense is too small. They need to start drafting bigger and faster players or getting players through free agency, plus they need a number 1 wide receiver.

[K-9]

1 hour ago, CallawaySabres said:

I can't believe our crap hockey team is all we have left until September, ugh.

Go Bandits!

[mjd1001]

1 hour ago, CallawaySabres said:

I can't believe our crap hockey team is all we have left until September, ugh.

September? I'd say January.

The Bills are entering Maple Leafs territory....doesn't matter what happens in the regular season.  They could barely squeek in as the wildcard, or they can go 16-1 and have home field.  None of that is going to matter until they get by the Chiefs (and for that matter the Benglas and Burrows if they make it in) in the playoffs.

For many people, nothing matters for the next 12 months.

[Pimlach]

1 hour ago, Ogelthorpe said:

Last 4 playoff losses to Chiefs defense has given up avg of 34.75 points. 

That is not officiating! That is coaching, scheme, and players. 

No one is talking about the last four playoff games which goes back five years.  Many players and coaches have changed in that time anyway. 

Most honest fans will admit that the KC defense is better than the Buffalo's defense.  That is the most significant difference in the talent between the teams and it has given KC the edge in the past two seasons.  

The subject is the last game.  

The Bills offense has to control the clock and score more to overcome their defense, that is an honest assessment.  The margin for error against KC is small as we see over and over.   

It is fair to say that the officials completely blew the spot on back to back plays when the Bills were driving and looking to go up by two scores in the 4th Q.  Replays show that Allen passes the line on 4th down.  The only question is does the ball pass the line? 

The sideline ref that could actually see the ball in Allen's arms was going to spot it over the line for a first down, you could see his foot placement on the replay, it was over the line.   The ref on the opposite sideline, the one that could only see Allen's back took the ball and spotted it at least a 1/2 yard behind the line.  So the first question is why did the ref with the impossible view make the call on the field?  

Ok, we have replay, that should fix it, right?

So the second question is how does the replay not overturn the spot?  That is a big problem with the NFL right now and it seems that these controversies follow the Kansas City Chiefs.  

Add that Nantz, Romo, and Gene Seratore (Rules analyst, former NFL employee) all thought Allen made it, and they said it on national TV.   For some reason the call on the field stood and the ref with the blind view spot was upheld.  I have looked at this replay a lot.  Allen and ball were over the line.  There are videos out there showing it.  

This is how you get people complaining about the refs and looking down at the NFL.  Social media and mainstream are both overwhelmingly supporting that the Bills did not get a fair spot.  

Did the Bills get more chances to score?  Yes, the Bills still could have made more plays and won the game.  But stop pretending that these calls did not change the momentum of the game and effect the outcome.  

There were at least 3 other big officiating errors that hurt the Bills, so unfortunately it is not all coaching/players/scheme.  There were other variables in the outcome to this game.  

 

[Stoner]

6 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

No one is talking about the last four playoff games which goes back five years.  Many players and coaches have changed in that time anyway. 

Most honest fans will admit that the KC defense is better than the Buffalo's defense.  That is the most significant difference in the talent between the teams and it has given KC the edge in the past two seasons.  

The subject is the last game.  

The Bills offense has to control the clock and score more to overcome their defense, that is an honest assessment.  The margin for error against KC is small as we see over and over.   

It is fair to say that the officials completely blew the spot on back to back plays when the Bills were driving and looking to go up by two scores in the 4th Q.  Replays show that Allen passes the line on 4th down.  The only question is does the ball pass the line? 

The sideline ref that could actually see the ball in Allen's arms was going to spot it over the line for a first down, you could see his foot placement on the replay, it was over the line.   The ref on the opposite sideline, the one that could only see Allen's back took the ball and spotted it at least a 1/2 yard behind the line.  So the first question is why did the ref with the impossible view make the call on the field?  

Ok, we have replay, that should fix it, right?

So the second question is how does the replay not overturn the spot?  That is a big problem with the NFL right now and it seems that these controversies follow the Kansas City Chiefs.  

Add that Nantz, Romo, and Gene Seratore (Rules analyst, former NFL employee) all thought Allen made it, and they said it on national TV.   For some reason the call on the field stood and the ref with the blind view spot was upheld.  I have looked at this replay a lot.  Allen and ball were over the line.  There are videos out there showing it.  

This is how you get people complaining about the refs and looking down at the NFL.  Social media and mainstream are both overwhelmingly supporting that the Bills did not get a fair spot.  

Did the Bills get more chances to score?  Yes, the Bills still could have made more plays and won the game.  But stop pretending that these calls did not change the momentum of the game and effect the outcome.  

There were at least 3 other big officiating errors that hurt the Bills, so unfortunately it is not all coaching/players/scheme.  There were other variables in the outcome to this game.  

 

The NFL highlight video not surprisingly does not include any replays of that fourth down.

[Slack_in_MA]

5 minutes ago, Stoner said:

The NFL highlight video not surprisingly does not include any replays of that fourth down.

Not saying it would have made a difference, but anyone else notice that the chains are very rarely, if ever, brought out for a measurement anymore?

Is it all technology-based decisions made from on high?

[WhenWillItEnd66]

Definitely happy I shut game off after first 10 mins.  Another year another Buffalo disappointment.  I am resigned to none in my lifetime.  I cannot even get myself worked up as I always feel failure lurking around every corner. See you all next year. 

[Ogelthorpe]

1 hour ago, Pimlach said:

No one is talking about the last four playoff games which goes back five years.  Many players and coaches have changed in that time anyway. 

Most honest fans will admit that the KC defense is better than the Buffalo's defense.  That is the most significant difference in the talent between the teams and it has given KC the edge in the past two seasons.  

The subject is the last game.  

The Bills offense has to control the clock and score more to overcome their defense, that is an honest assessment.  The margin for error against KC is small as we see over and over.   

It is fair to say that the officials completely blew the spot on back to back plays when the Bills were driving and looking to go up by two scores in the 4th Q.  Replays show that Allen passes the line on 4th down.  The only question is does the ball pass the line? 

The sideline ref that could actually see the ball in Allen's arms was going to spot it over the line for a first down, you could see his foot placement on the replay, it was over the line.   The ref on the opposite sideline, the one that could only see Allen's back took the ball and spotted it at least a 1/2 yard behind the line.  So the first question is why did the ref with the impossible view make the call on the field?  

Ok, we have replay, that should fix it, right?

So the second question is how does the replay not overturn the spot?  That is a big problem with the NFL right now and it seems that these controversies follow the Kansas City Chiefs.  

Add that Nantz, Romo, and Gene Seratore (Rules analyst, former NFL employee) all thought Allen made it, and they said it on national TV.   For some reason the call on the field stood and the ref with the blind view spot was upheld.  I have looked at this replay a lot.  Allen and ball were over the line.  There are videos out there showing it.  

This is how you get people complaining about the refs and looking down at the NFL.  Social media and mainstream are both overwhelmingly supporting that the Bills did not get a fair spot.  

Did the Bills get more chances to score?  Yes, the Bills still could have made more plays and won the game.  But stop pretending that these calls did not change the momentum of the game and effect the outcome.  

There were at least 3 other big officiating errors that hurt the Bills, so unfortunately it is not all coaching/players/scheme.  There were other variables in the outcome to this game.  

 

Thanks for the debate. I disagree, you do look at the past when a pattern is there. They are 2-5 in the divisional and AFCCG giving up avg of 27.7 points per. That is not good enough. You are right that there has been turnover. However, one thing is constant. The defensive minded head coach whose system is in place and fails every year in the playoffs.

Have a good day punch. 

[Pimlach]

1 hour ago, Ogelthorpe said:

Thanks for the debate. I disagree, you do look at the past when a pattern is there. They are 2-5 in the divisional and AFCCG giving up avg of 27.7 points per. That is not good enough. You are right that there has been turnover. However, one thing is constant. The defensive minded head coach whose system is in place and fails every year in the playoffs.

Have a good day punch. 

The coach is probably not going anywhere.   I agree that his defensive system and the players we have right now are not getting it done.   I just don't need 5  years of stats to tell me that.   

The team lacks play makers on defense.  There are no Pro Bowlers I would be open to a new DC with a new system but I doubt that happens.  

I was at the gym and ESPN was on.  A talking head showed a few replays of KC making big runs and he said KC ran play and used a few looks that he had never seen them use before.  So Andy Reid was holding back some plays for the big game.  

It is clear that McD and his staff do not match up well to Reid/Spagnola.   Nobody else does either.  

 

[Indabuff]

3 hours ago, Slack_in_MA said:

Not saying it would have made a difference, but anyone else notice that the chains are very rarely, if ever, brought out for a measurement anymore?

Is it all technology-based decisions made from on high?

Good point.  Can't remember the last time I saw them out.

[inkman]

6 hours ago, shrader said:

How does a QB, a guy paid an insane amount of money to throw a football, miss a spike by probably a good ten yards?

Because he’s super fu king dorky 

[inkman]

The Bills are coming to Kinkaid’s defense in the drop.  It was a tough catch.  I don’t really care that he dropped it as more football was required to win that game. As others have mentioned, the early round draft picks are looking pretty sus at this point.  Beane does a lot of things right, the draft is looking shakey. 

[Crusader1969]

5 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

September? I'd say January.

The Bills are entering Maple Leafs territory....doesn't matter what happens in the regular season.  They could barely squeek in as the wildcard, or they can go 16-1 and have home field.  None of that is going to matter until they get by the Chiefs (and for that matter the Benglas and Burrows if they make it in) in the playoffs.

For many people, nothing matters for the next 12 months.

They are good entertainment during the regular season but you are 100% right.  All that really matters is next years playoffs.  
 

[Crusader1969]

1 hour ago, Pimlach said:

The coach is probably not going anywhere.   I agree that his defensive system and the players we have right now are not getting it done.   I just don't need 5  years of stats to tell me that.   

The team lacks play makers on defense.  There are no Pro Bowlers I would be open to a new DC with a new system but I doubt that happens.  

I was at the gym and ESPN was on.  A talking head showed a few replays of KC making big runs and he said KC ran play and used a few looks that he had never seen them use before.  So Andy Reid was holding back some plays for the big game.  

It is clear that McD and his staff do not match up well to Reid/Spagnola.   Nobody else does either.  

 

I hated how they weren't prepared for Mahomes to run the ball.  There was no contain on any of his runs.  Was able to gain 6 - 12 yds each time 

on the other hand, chiefs did a great job on Josh not being able to use his legs 

coaching matters 

[triumph_communes]

We’ve spent a lot of draft capital on defense and the entire secondary is shambles. That’s my bigger concern. 
 

The receivers we drafted are okay. Not terrible, but not HOF either. It’s okay for now, always a few available in FA

[Ctaeth]

 

[SabresBillsFan]

How many here think the defense isn’t good enough? Me personally, I think they need to get bigger and faster. They need a stud leader on the defensive side that can fire up that squad. Kinda like a Ray Lewis type. Until then we will be just a good team that can’t put it all together to win it all. We all know Defense wins championships. What do you all think?

[inkman]

1 minute ago, SabresBillsFan said:

How many here think the defense isn’t good enough? Me personally, I think they need to get bigger and faster. They need a stud leader on the defensive side that can fire up that squad. Kinda like a Ray Lewis type. Until then we will be just a good team that can’t put it all together to win it all. We all know Defense wins championships. What do you all think?

Oh you think adding a HOF captain for their defense could change things?

[Pimlach]

2 hours ago, triumph_communes said:

We’ve spent a lot of draft capital on defense and the entire secondary is shambles. That’s my bigger concern. 
 

The receivers we drafted are okay. Not terrible, but not HOF either. It’s okay for now, always a few available in FA

They need to upgrade WR and CB and S.  

[Pimlach]

1 hour ago, SabresBillsFan said:

How many here think the defense isn’t good enough? Me personally, I think they need to get bigger and faster. They need a stud leader on the defensive side that can fire up that squad. Kinda like a Ray Lewis type. Until then we will be just a good team that can’t put it all together to win it all. We all know Defense wins championships. What do you all think?

The big guy is missing.  

Hard to get another Bruce Smith when you draft at the end of round 1.  

The mid 60’s Bills had the undisputed best defense in the AFL. They won 2 championships in a row and then Lou Saban went flakey and moved on. 

[Pimlach]

4 hours ago, inkman said:

The Bills are coming to Kinkaid’s defense in the drop.  It was a tough catch.  I don’t really care that he dropped it as more football was required to win that game. As others have mentioned, the early round draft picks are looking pretty sus at this point.  Beane does a lot of things right, the draft is looking shakey. 

Elam, Kincaid, Coleman (trade down to second) are his top picks the past three years.  I still think Kincaid will be a good player.   Coleman possibly, if he figures out how to consistently get open then yes.  Elam has had 3 years and there is no sign of him coming around.