Buffalo Bills 2024 Thread

[Demoted]

18 hours ago, JujuFish said:

I really hope we don't get so conservative on both sides of the ball against KC like we did in the second half against Baltimore.

They didn't do that the last time they played each other, so no reason to think they would.

[SwampD]

22 minutes ago, Doohicksie said:

I think it will add into the argument about when to go for 2 and when to just kick the 1.

For me, it’s never been an argument. You only ever go for two if you need it to tie at the end of the game. I said it that day.

[Doohicksie]

13 minutes ago, SwampD said:

For me, it’s never been an argument. You only ever go for two if you need it to tie at the end of the game. I said it that day.

I also don't like calling an 8-point lead a "one score" margin.  You have to make the touchdown, plus you have to score again on a 2-point conversion.  In the NFL this season 69% of 2-point conversions failed.  By your reckoning, with a lot of time left in the game, the 1-point conversion is the better deal.

Out of curiosity, I wonder of McClappy would have attempted that first 2-point conversion in that game situation?

[JujuFish]

17 hours ago, Doohicksie said:

I think in the Baltimore game it was the right call.  Don't do anything too flashy; prevent turnovers by the offense.  Try not to give up too much, to fast, on defense.

Even if the Ravens tied it with the 2-point conversion, I think the Bills win on a field goal in regulation.  The Bills didn't excel, but neither did they make a big mistake that could have turned the game (like the Ravens did, with three turnovers).

You say right call, I say nearly cost them everything.

[Doohicksie]

1 minute ago, JujuFish said:

You say right call, I say nearly cost them everything.

But it didn't.  It was pretty bad conditions, the Bills were sitting on a lead, and it was incumbent on Baltimore to make something happen.  The Bills chewed up enough clock on offense and got the field goals to make it tough on the Ravens' comeback attempt.  The defense bent but didn't break.  Had Baltimore converted the 2 points at the end, the Bills would have had 1:33 to get to field goal range (about 40 yards) in regulation and they still had timeouts.

[Pimlach]

Tuesday morning and I am already nervous. 

Most teams don't get many opportunities, this next game feels so much bigger than a football game to me.  

[MattPie]

4 hours ago, Doohicksie said:

I think it will add into the argument about when to go for 2 and when to just kick the 1.

It does. Interestingly, when I search about this a minute ago it appears that teams are struggling with them this year (around 30% compared to 55% last year), but finding a good list of succeeded vs attempted is surprisingly hard so it's hard to tell. In any case, in the longer term even if 2pt makes sense, when it's just a bit over 50% a string of a few misses and you've given away a field goal. Attempting one in the 3rd quarter wasn't a particular good idea, even more so when the Ravens' season record was apparently 1/4.

[SwampD]

1 hour ago, Pimlach said:

Tuesday morning and I am already nervous. 

Most teams don't get many opportunities, this next game feels so much bigger than a football game to me.  

I’m not getting my hopes up. The NFL has 3 hundred million reasons to make sure the KC Swifties win.

This game would have been in Orchard Park but for those reasons.

[Night Train]

 No anxiety from me going into this KC game, I was somewhat surprised they got past Baltimore.

 Allen should just play loose and score. Bills won't shut down Mahomes on D.  

[Pimlach]

11 minutes ago, Night Train said:

 No anxiety from me going into this KC game, I was somewhat surprised they got past Baltimore.

 Allen should just play loose and score. Bills won't shut down Mahomes on D.  

The Bills should throw everything at them.  No holds barred.  

[Doohicksie]

8 minutes ago, Night Train said:

Bills won't shut down Mahomes on D.

Oh, I think they will.  We've seen some varying approaches on D, depending on opponent.  I think they'll get to Mahommes, whether that means actually sacking him or throwing confusing coverage looks his way.

McClappy coached a masterful game against Baltimore.  Despite being outgained, the Bills beat the Ravens on time of possession, penalties and turnovers.  I think he can do it against KC.  The Bills are loose, but they're also pretty well disciplined.

[Doohicksie]

2 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

The Bills should throw everything at them.  No holds barred.  

I think they will try to confuse Mahommes on defense; a lot of coverage fakes and stuff.  Make him change the play, then adjust the defense to that change.  The defense is reasonably good at that; just need to turn it up to 11.

[LTS]

13 hours ago, Doohicksie said:

But it didn't.  It was pretty bad conditions, the Bills were sitting on a lead, and it was incumbent on Baltimore to make something happen.  The Bills chewed up enough clock on offense and got the field goals to make it tough on the Ravens' comeback attempt.  The defense bent but didn't break.  Had Baltimore converted the 2 points at the end, the Bills would have had 1:33 to get to field goal range (about 40 yards) in regulation and they still had timeouts.

That Baltimore owns two of the biggest threat rushing options in the NFL and decided not to use either of them for those conversions is mind boggling. In fact, the Ravens lack of use for Derrick Henry is still blowing my mind. This is a team where all I heard was about how BIG they are and they have Henry who is absolute kryptonite to the Bills defense and yet they refused to ride him.  They gave up on him far too soon. If they had adopted a ground pound offense they would have broken down the Bills D.  Oh well.

I'm not even worrying about Sunday. It will be what it is. Thankfully I've learned to not worry about that which I cannot control.  It took me far too long in my younger years and those years were full of health issues... but no longer!

That said.. I'd like them to win it all.. that goes without saying. People of Buffalo, those in the city and those who identify as Buffalonians regardless of their geographic location are far overdue for a massive dose of "Hell yeah."

Edited 14 hours ago by LTS

[JustOneParade]

A medium-grade concern of mine is if Rapp can't go and Bishop takes his place. I view Rapp as an average safety and certainly not irreplaceable. But Andy Reid does to rookie safeties what McD does to rookie QB's. 

[MISabresFan]

1 hour ago, SwampD said:

I’m not getting my hopes up. The NFL has 3 hundred million reasons to make sure the KC Swifties win.

This game would have been in Orchard Park but for those reasons.

Swifties...that is a classic

[shrader]

2 hours ago, Doohicksie said:

Oh, I think they will.  We've seen some varying approaches on D, depending on opponent.  I think they'll get to Mahommes, whether that means actually sacking him or throwing confusing coverage looks his way.

McClappy coached a masterful game against Baltimore.  Despite being outgained, the Bills beat the Ravens on time of possession, penalties and turnovers.  I think he can do it against KC.  The Bills are loose, but they're also pretty well disciplined.

And it’s not like KC is a massive point producer. Their top score was 30 points, which they did twice. I’m too lazy to look and see if any of those points were from the defense. 
 

The Bills scored 199 more points than them… and that includes both teams sitting out week 18. 

[Doohicksie]

3 hours ago, LTS said:

That Baltimore owns two of the biggest threat rushing options in the NFL and decided not to use either of them for those conversions is mind boggling. In fact, the Ravens lack of use for Derrick Henry is still blowing my mind. This is a team where all I heard was about how BIG they are and they have Henry who is absolute kryptonite to the Bills defense and yet they refused to ride him.  They gave up on him far too soon. If they had adopted a ground pound offense they would have broken down the Bills D.  Oh well.

I'm not even worrying about Sunday. It will be what it is. Thankfully I've learned to not worry about that which I cannot control.  It took me far too long in my younger years and those years were full of health issues... but no longer!

That said.. I'd like them to win it all.. that goes without saying. People of Buffalo, those in the city and those who identify as Buffalonians regardless of their geographic location are far overdue for a massive does of "Hell yeah."

I heard reports that Derrick Henry is not as effective in cold/snowy conditions.

[inkman]

2 hours ago, MISabresFan said:

Swifties...that is a classic

Not if you like things that are funny 

[Stoner]

5 minutes ago, inkman said:

Not if you like things that are funny 

Congrats on being named Arbiter of All Things Funny. 

Some of us need Palm Trees and Swifties to get through the day.

[K-9]

10 hours ago, Doohicksie said:

I also don't like calling an 8-point lead a "one score" margin.  You have to make the touchdown, plus you have to score again on a 2-point conversion.  In the NFL this season 69% of 2-point conversions failed.  By your reckoning, with a lot of time left in the game, the 1-point conversion is the better deal.

Out of curiosity, I wonder of McClappy would have attempted that first 2-point conversion in that game situation?

In that case, you can’t call a 7 point lead a “one score” margin, either. But I get what you’re saying and that’s why I like to refer to the number of possessions instead. For instance, an eight point lead is a one possession game, etc. 

[inkman]

2 hours ago, Stoner said:

Congrats on being named Arbiter of All Things Funny. 

Some of us need Palm Trees and Swifties to get through the day.

Sometimes my inner mudge escapes 

[JujuFish]

11 hours ago, Doohicksie said:

But it didn't.  It was pretty bad conditions, the Bills were sitting on a lead, and it was incumbent on Baltimore to make something happen.  The Bills chewed up enough clock on offense and got the field goals to make it tough on the Ravens' comeback attempt.  The defense bent but didn't break.  Had Baltimore converted the 2 points at the end, the Bills would have had 1:33 to get to field goal range (about 40 yards) in regulation and they still had timeouts.

If Milano doesn't make a huge play on the first 2PC, then the second TD would have been a PAT for the lead, forcing Buffalo to have to go down the field to win. Maybe they do, maybe they don't.

If the Bills had done the obvious tush push (or two) on 3rd and goal from the 2, then this wouldn't have been an issue because they'd have 31 points instead at the end (or 30 with a shanked PAT), in which case the Ravens would have been forced to onside kick regardless.

The Bills were taking shots downfield in addition to establishing the run to keep the defense honest in the first half and came out of it with 21 points. In the second, they only did short passes literally the entire time, which allowed the Ravens D to tighten and cause Buffalo to score 6 points and making it a game.

 

Yes, yes it did almost cost them.

Edited 16 hours ago by JujuFish

[shrader]

And they’re going to learn from all of this heading into next week. 
 

Buffalo fans are the master of the what if game. I like this side of it a hell of a lot more. 

Edited 16 hours ago by shrader

[Doohicksie]

14 minutes ago, JujuFish said:

If Milano doesn't make a huge play on the first 2PC, then the whole game plays out differently.

 

fify

[shrader]

27 minutes ago, Doohicksie said:

 

fify

Wait, didn’t you bring up the whole what if they had just gone for one instead discussion?