Buffalo Bills 2024 Thread

[ska-T Chitown]

29 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:

Interesting. When you watch the replay, it sure seems like each Chief defender is glued to a Bills receiving option. So much so that there's one Chiefs defender - #23 - who loses a chance to tackle Allen because he's following Cooper to the sideline (where another Chiefs defender is following Shakir). 

Of course, there are coverage schemes that are a combination of man and zone.

Just a fascinating play to watch over and over -- focusing on one element each time. The last time I re-watched, I was impressed by how athletic the Chiefs left DE was -- Bills RT (Van Dermark (sp?)) pushes the DE way wide -- and I'd thought he was out of the play as Allen steps up -- but the dude adjusts in an instant and nearly makes a play.

In the broadcast Tony also mentioned something about Josh recognizing they did not have a spy on him - watching the reply, this seems correct ... and silly.

[Pimlach]

22 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:

Interesting. When you watch the replay, it sure seems like each Chief defender is glued to a Bills receiving option. So much so that there's one Chiefs defender - #23 - who loses a chance to tackle Allen because he's following Cooper to the sideline (where another Chiefs defender is following Shakir). 

Of course, there are coverage schemes that are a combination of man and zone.

Just a fascinating play to watch over and over -- focusing on one element each time. The last time I re-watched, I was impressed by how athletic the Chiefs left DE was -- Bills RT (Van Dermark (sp?)) pushes the DE way wide -- and I'd thought he was out of the play as Allen steps up -- but the dude adjusts in an instant and nearly makes a play.

The big men in the NFL are also amazing athletes.   

The Chiefs definitely started in run defense with 10 in the box.  Allen had two rbs in the backfield no both went out to the opposite flat and took KC coverage with them.  Allen had an option to run and saw it open.  I might try to find the post game interview again but I thought he said they rotated to zone and the run game opened for him.  Could be he wanted to run anyway.  

Once Allen got to the LOS he had room, lots of room.  

Whatever it is, Brady beat Spagnola on that chess move.   Having Allen allows plays like that.  He is dangerous and hard to defend.   

[That Aud Smell]

45 minutes ago, ska-T Chitown said:

In the broadcast Tony also mentioned something about Josh recognizing they did not have a spy on him - watching the reply, this seems correct ... and silly.

Oh, for sure. There was clearly no dedicated spy. A huge mistake, in that situation. Not sure if that was the call, or if it was called and the players failed to implement.

41 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

The Chiefs definitely started in run defense with 10 in the box.  Allen had two rbs in the backfield no both went out to the opposite flat and took KC coverage with them.  Allen had an option to run and saw it open.  I might try to find the post game interview again but I thought he said they rotated to zone and the run game opened for him.  Could be he wanted to run anyway.  

Once Allen got to the LOS he had room, lots of room.  

Whatever it is, Brady beat Spagnola on that chess move.   Having Allen allows plays like that.  He is dangerous and hard to defend.   

Hear, hear. In my simplistic NFL brain, I understand that QB scrambles are more dangerous against man coverage and less dangerous against zone. I've now re-watched the play several times and have concluded that there were probably some man-elements but also some zone over top that.

Where are our Madden players at? There's probably a term or even terms for this kind of coverage. I mean sh1t -- isn't Cover 2 mostly just man-to-man with the 2 safeties playing a deep zone?

I can't readily recall a play that was more fun to re-watch. Allen's big scrambles have that way about them.

[Taro T]

49 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

The big men in the NFL are also amazing athletes.   

The Chiefs definitely started in run defense with 10 in the box.  Allen had two rbs in the backfield no both went out to the opposite flat and took KC coverage with them.  Allen had an option to run and saw it open.  I might try to find the post game interview again but I thought he said they rotated to zone and the run game opened for him.  Could be he wanted to run anyway.  

Once Allen got to the LOS he had room, lots of room.  

Whatever it is, Brady beat Spagnola on that chess move.   Having Allen allows plays like that.  He is dangerous and hard to defend.   

Actually, according to Orlovsky it was Spagnola who made the better chess move on both that play and the other big run that Allen had in the 4th Q, but that Allen simply made it not matter.  Apparently, Buffalo expected zone when they got man and then expected man and got zone (but the way the Bills ran the routes on the TD it effectively became man coverage due to the routes the Bills ran) and Allen simply took off when KC had everything covered on both plays.

It's good to have an alien under center.  😉 

 

[Demoted]

8 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Actually, according to Orlovsky it was Spagnola who made the better chess move on both that play and the other big run that Allen had in the 4th Q, but that Allen simply made it not matter.  Apparently, Buffalo expected zone when they got man and then expected man and got zone (but the way the Bills ran the routes on the TD it effectively became man coverage due to the routes the Bills ran) and Allen simply took off when KC had everything covered on both plays.

It's good to have an alien under center.  😉 

 

That was making Dan excited at the end there.

[Doohicksie]

22 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:

I can't readily recall a play that was more fun to re-watch. Allen's big scrambles have that way about them.

The planned QB rushes seem to get sniffed out, especially by well-coached defense like KC's.  So when Josh did have planned runs earlier in the game, they were minimal.  Josh has been on a tight leash this season after injuring his left hand in Game 1 and rarely rushes in a scramble situation.  But when he does it's usually a very important play and usually near the endzone.  And when he sees the endzone it's kind of like blood in the water- there's no stopping him, especially if only one player is attempting to tackle him at a time.  It takes multiple people to bring him down.  He's like that one player on the middle school team who's had a big growth spurt and is bigger and stronger than everyone else and can just run through people.  I imagine his workout routine incorporates exercises that develop the muscles that allow him to bull through people like that.

[Flashsabre]

This has aged well😁

[Pimlach]

35 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Actually, according to Orlovsky it was Spagnola who made the better chess move on both that play and the other big run that Allen had in the 4th Q, but that Allen simply made it not matter.  Apparently, Buffalo expected zone when they got man and then expected man and got zone (but the way the Bills ran the routes on the TD it effectively became man coverage due to the routes the Bills ran) and Allen simply took off when KC had everything covered on both plays.

It's good to have an alien under center.  😉 

 

Awesome find Taro. That explains it.  

Edited Monday at 11:07 PM by Pimlach

[Demoted]

The weekly mini movie.

 

[Stoner]

25 minutes ago, Demoted said:

The weekly mini movie.

 

I think I like Chris Brown. Still haven't been able to track down the full call of The Run.

[Taro T]

8 minutes ago, Stoner said:

I think I like Chris Brown. Still haven't been able to track down the full call of The Run.

All you had to do was ask, Snoogums.

 

[Indabuff]

We won suite tickets to this game.   Incredible experience but you could not hear the 70k people outside.  I really just wanted to abandon my seat and head out with the crowd.  

[spndnchz]

I got into the new stadium. 🤪

place is dope

[spndnchz]

Really annoying.  ‘Here we go’

gotta lose that Dallas

[spndnchz]

Help. 
 

Who was the backup announcer in the last game?

[Doohicksie]

1 minute ago, Doohicksie said:

Bear in mind:  I posted that before the old Fumblerooski the Cowboys just gave up.

[Stoner]

3 hours ago, Taro T said:

All you had to do was ask, Snoogums.

 

That's a good call. 

[That Aud Smell]

12 hours ago, Pimlach said:

Awesome find Taro. That explains it.  

Hear, hear. Thanks @Taro T. I don't always see Orlovsky's (sp) breakdowns. I generally like his content. And he did a fantastic job breaking that one down. His explanations also help explain the zone-man confusion that I had.

And, of course and as @Pimlach noted I believe, Allen had it correct post-game when he said the Chiefs (surprisingly?) dropped into a zone on that play.

11 hours ago, Stoner said:

I think I like Chris Brown. Still haven't been able to track down the full call of The Run.

Brown is solid to good right now. And he's getting better. He's got juice.

One thing I've noticed with him: His vocal range -- the "notes" he "plays" with his intonation -- has really taken a step forward this season. I feel good about the hire.

It probably helps his development to have a team that's as exciting as the Bills are this season.

7 hours ago, Stoner said:

That's a good call. 

Agreed. I hadn't heard it yet. When he reaches the top of his range, there's a good, natural gravelly quality to his voice.

[K-9]

16 hours ago, Taro T said:

Actually, according to Orlovsky it was Spagnola who made the better chess move on both that play and the other big run that Allen had in the 4th Q, but that Allen simply made it not matter.  Apparently, Buffalo expected zone when they got man and then expected man and got zone (but the way the Bills ran the routes on the TD it effectively became man coverage due to the routes the Bills ran) and Allen simply took off when KC had everything covered on both plays.

It's good to have an alien under center.  😉 

 

I enjoy Orlovsky the most of any analyst. But I’ll disagree a tad about his assessment of Allen’s TD run. Allen recognized it wasn't man coverage pre-snap when he saw nobody following the the man in motion. 

I don’t always like Brady’s concepts, but sending the RBs to the flats forced Bolton into coverage on several occasions, thus eliminating Spagnola’s spy, which Bolton is 99% of the time we play the Chiefs. I think Brady schooled one of the better DCs in the game. 

Of course none of that success is possible without excellent execution, especially by the OLine, who all should have received game balls despite the lack of success on running plays not involving Allen. 

[inkman]

Maybe this yea will be different but every time the Bills start getting run in the national media, our guys start reading headlines and some tough losses follow.  If this team overcomes that, maybe we are looking at a deep playoff run. 

[Night Train]

The Bye is favored by 7 .  

[Flashsabre]

Reports are Jets have fired GM Joe Douglas. 
 

The Jets seem to be the NFL’s Sabres.

[Taro T]

2 hours ago, K-9 said:

I enjoy Orlovsky the most of any analyst. But I’ll disagree a tad about his assessment of Allen’s TD run. Allen recognized it wasn't man coverage pre-snap when he saw nobody following the the man in motion. 

I don’t always like Brady’s concepts, but sending the RBs to the flats forced Bolton into coverage on several occasions, thus eliminating Spagnola’s spy, which Bolton is 99% of the time we play the Chiefs. I think Brady schooled one of the better DCs in the game. 

Of course none of that success is possible without excellent execution, especially by the OLine, who all should have received game balls despite the lack of success on running plays not involving Allen. 

Yes, Allen saw that the Chefs were actually in zone on that play; but it doesn't appear that he changed the play out of one that was (per Orlovsky) designed to beat man and not zone which is why all the Bills receivers were covered.

[JujuFish]

41 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:

The Jets seem to be the NFL’s Sabres.

Well, they do co-share the longest active playoff drought in the big 4 sports.

[K-9]

33 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Yes, Allen saw that the Chefs were actually in zone on that play; but it doesn't appear that he changed the play out of one that was (per Orlovsky) designed to beat man and not zone which is why all the Bills receivers were covered.

I realized that as I watched the play unfold and I was surprised he didn’t change the play at the los. Perhaps I misunderstood Orlovsky, but the fact that Spagnola played a zone concept the one time in a hundred didn’t fool anybody, which is the point I was trying to make.