Blow the Whole Team up in the Off-Season - It's the Only Reasonable Thing to do

[Weave]

14 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

I have literally negative interest in Byram. Girard is at least somewhat interesting.

Would rather try to get Manson cheaply in the off-season however

If we’re making a trade with the Avs for the deadline, there won’t be a rostered player coming back.  It’ll be sell, baby.

This team hurts my heart.

[thewookie1]

57 minutes ago, Weave said:

If we’re making a trade with the Avs for the deadline, there won’t be a rostered player coming back.  It’ll be sell, baby.

This team hurts my heart.

Well then I doubt we are scouting them regarding trading Mitts. Trading him for futures would likely cause chants for heads not just firings. 
 

Still don’t really have any interest in trading Mitts but in Colorado’s case I’d value Girard >>>> Byram 

[Mr Peabody]

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/pittsburgh-penguins/latest-news/pittsburgh-penguins-ready-trade-every-player
 

speaking of blowing it up…

[Buffalonill]

I have a feeling adams is going to trade for washed up logan couture 

 bring another buffalo Player back home " Wants to be here "

Edited February 22 by Buffalonill

[Doohicksie]

8 minutes ago, Buffalonill said:

another buffalo Player back home

Guelph/London?

[Buffalonill]

2 minutes ago, Doohickie said:

Guelph/London?

Oh I thought he was from buffalo 

I've seen him A lot When the bills play national games.

 

Maybe he's just a bill's fan

[Flashsabre]

Peterka and UPL have really been the bright lights this season

[Doohicksie]

Trade him now while he's high.

[Drag0nDan]

On 2/16/2024 at 2:06 PM, mjd1001 said:

Ok. Blow the team up. Change coaches. Change GM's. They all may be valid points. But maybe its simpler than that.

What is wrong/different with this team compared to last year's team, which was 1 point away from the playoffs?

-This team is allowing less goals than last year. They are now middle-of-the-pack and actually improving the last few weeks. They have a goalie who not only has pretty good numbers, he passes the 'eye test' also.

Scoring is the problem but:

-Peterka is doing better than last year. Skinner is basically giving you close to the scoring of last year. Dahlin has less assists but is scoring more goals. Mitts is better offensively. Greenway and Okposo are better offensively.

Basically, this team is equal to, or BETTER than last years team in MOST ways other than:  Thompson scoring, Cozens scoring, and Tuch Scoring (Tuch isn't as big of an issue as the other 2, and it may be related to injury with him.)  VO is off also, but his play is made up for basically by Peterka, and few think/thought VO was long for this team anyway.

So yea, the results aren't what anyone wants....but its not the whole team. Much of the team is equal to last year or BETTER.   The question may not be how or why to make wholesale changes, or blow everything up....but rather how/why are Thompson, Cozens, maybe Tuch and Power issues.

I don't want to blow the whole team up yet....I don't want to make major changes yet.   I want to fix Tage, Cozens, and Power (mostly) as those guys are 3 of your 'core 4 or 5'.  

If a coaching change or GM change 'fixes' those guys, then great. But I know when people say we have waited and endured 'too long' and just want 'something to be done', I'm not quite sure what coach...or GM...comes in here and just makes those guys better. Because, while the rest of the team is 'flawed', overall they are giving you want they did last year or in some cases are better than last year.

 

I think quinn will be a good piece for next year, and you likely expect benson to improve.  I'd be willing to buy-out skinner if it is reasonable.  Tuch has trade value if you don't go that route.  

Skinner-Thompson-Tuch - Needs a shakeup somewhere.  Skinner buy out only makes sense if you trade for someone or sign someone.  A superstar forward is what is really needed.  

Quinn-Cozens-JJP - Cozens needs to play better but they never got much time together either.  

Benson-Mitts-??? - I don't know that you want to graduate a minors player here but if not, someone with some jam who can score.  

???-???-Greenway - Need shut down players who can contribute offensively.  See no reason to look at players like ZG, Krebs, Okposo.  These are the types of players who don't have NTCs or they're more limited.  

D

Dahlin

Power

Johnson

Muel

Jokiharju

Open to trading a jokiharju, and i don't see anyone else in the pipeline who's going to contribute so figuring out how to improve, and add righties will be big.  

G

UPL and Levi

I don't see a reason to keep levi in the minors, but i see the side wanting a backup.  I think levi getting games in rochester will help, and ideally he's ready to rock for like 30 next year.  He was handled very poorly this year.  

[Crusader1969]

I have no issues with greenway being on the 3rd line 

Probably a year too early but Benson with Tage - Tuch

Greenway - Mitts - Kulich / Savoie 

*****.  Krebs. *****
 

or Greenway -  Krebs - Mitts
And all new 4th line 

Dahlin.   XXX

Power Samuelsson

Johnson.   Clifton

the XXX on the blue line with Dahlin is the most important piece to add.  Cannot ***** it up.  If it cost 3 1st round pieces. ....just do it 

 

[Weave]

34 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

I have no issues with greenway being on the 3rd line 

Probably a year too early but Benson with Tage - Tuch

Greenway - Mitts - Kulich / Savoie 

*****.  Krebs. *****
 

or Greenway -  Krebs - Mitts
And all new 4th line 

Dahlin.   XXX

Power Samuelsson

Johnson.   Clifton

the XXX on the blue line with Dahlin is the most important piece to add.  Cannot ***** it up.  If it cost 3 1st round pieces. ....just do it 

 

If you assume JJP and Quinn coming back, you are essentially rolling out the same 9, with the minor change of putting in another untested kid in place of Skinner?  Ugh.

Or are you rolling big and JJP/Quinn get moved?

[Crusader1969]

On 2/22/2024 at 1:33 PM, Weave said:

If you assume JJP and Quinn coming back, you are essentially rolling out the same 9, with the minor change of putting in another untested kid in place of Skinner?  Ugh.

Or are you rolling big and JJP/Quinn get moved?

I'm rolling big by trading 2 prospects and the #1 draft pick but not Quinn and Peterka.   I have a feeling they, aling with cozens will be their #1 line next year 

[Crusader1969]

IF the Sabres pull off the upset tonight.   Will it change your view of the team ? From firing Granato or blowing the whole thing up?

[Weave]

20 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

IF the Sabres pull off the upset tonight.   Will it change your view of the team ? From firing Granato or blowing the whole thing up?

No.

[Doohicksie]

7 minutes ago, Weave said:

27 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

IF the Sabres pull off the upset tonight.   Will it change your view of the team ? From firing Granato or blowing the whole thing up?

No.

If they pull upsets for the rest of the season, get to the playoffs and win a series.... then Donny can stay.

[mjd1001]

38 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

IF the Sabres pull off the upset tonight.   Will it change your view of the team ? From firing Granato or blowing the whole thing up?

No, but that is because I do not believe in Firing Granato or blowing things up at this point.  I think this team needs surgery with a scalpel, no a sledgehammer.

I DO believe in making a big trade in the offseason for a top 25 D-man in the league (multiple prospects if that is needed), having Tage, Quinn, Tuch and Cozens fully healthy starting next year (keep Cozens more at wing and keep Tage off of the PK) and hopefully bringing in a highly paid/highly effective assistant specialist to help out.  This group of Defensemen is SO YOUNG that they are going to gradually get better as time (seasons) go on.

[CallawaySabres]

43 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

IF the Sabres pull off the upset tonight.   Will it change your view of the team ? From firing Granato or blowing the whole thing up?

It would not change my view at all. A 4 game win streak when they are 10 points out of 8th would not move the needle. All this has proven to me is that they MAY have a #1 goalie. A MAJOR trade or 2 has got to happen and I don't see Adams as they guy that can get it done.

As far as coaching, IF they were to continue to play like they did 2 nights ago (win or lose) the rest of the season, I would give it a thought. The fact that I see that performance once every 10 games is sickening though. Something is very wrong with coaching to only see glimpses of what they are capable of in the effort department.

[Thorner]

1 hour ago, Crusader1969 said:

IF the Sabres pull off the upset tonight.   Will it change your view of the team ? From firing Granato or blowing the whole thing up?

Why would it? If they make the playoffs, absolutely 

[Weave]

1 hour ago, Doohickie said:

If they pull upsets for the rest of the season, get to the playoffs and win a series.... then Donny can stay.

[Crusader1969]

3 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

No, but that is because I do not believe in Firing Granato or blowing things up at this point.  I think this team needs surgery with a scalpel, no a sledgehammer.

I DO believe in making a big trade in the offseason for a top 25 D-man in the league (multiple prospects if that is needed), having Tage, Quinn, Tuch and Cozens fully healthy starting next year (keep Cozens more at wing and keep Tage off of the PK) and hopefully bringing in a highly paid/highly effective assistant specialist to help out.  This group of Defensemen is SO YOUNG that they are going to gradually get better as time (seasons) go on.

I agree with you.   If they bring back DG, which seems likely unless the bottom falls out, I would hope they replace the assistant coaches.

 

[Buffalo Super Fan]

The Buffalo Sabres are too comfortable and too many young players that are running the locker room with little accountability. The Sabres have to get older more experienced players that have grown up. When you have a hockey team that is upset because of Sabres fans booing and chants of fire Don Granato there priorities aren’t in the right place. Newsflash you are losing that is what happens in professional and college sports when you don’t win fans boo and want changes. The Buffalo fans don’t owe you a NHL job with no accountability for your play. This Buffalo Sabres team as it is meaning do nothing in the off season you’re going to get the same results as the last 13 years. Watch some of those Buffalo Sabres shows on the Sabres players you can see the Sabres are more a college frat house playing video games, golfing and screwing around. That needs to change for the Buffalo Sabres too many young players together is a bad idea. With older players that frat house crap won’t be mostly the entire Sabres team as it is now. This Sabres team was doomed from the very beginning too many young players screwing around and living in a fantasy world with no accountability for their bad play night after night. To sum it up the Buffalo Sabres management coddles these players many of them need to go to break up that frat house and fire Don Granato that created that and tolerate that. Don Granato should never have been hired to begin with he was the assistant coach to Ralph Krueger. Too expect a different outcome was very naive. Too many Buffalo Sabres fans put too much hope in Don Granato in my opinion. Go Sabres! Let’s Go Buffalo 

Edited February 28 by Buffalo Super Fan

[spndnchz]

46 minutes ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

The Buffalo Sabres are too comfortable and too many young players that are running the locker room with little accountability. The Sabres have to get older more experienced players that have grown up. When you have a hockey team that is upset because of Sabres fans booing and chants of fire Don Granato there priorities aren’t in the right place. Newsflash you are losing that is what happens in professional and college sports when you don’t win fans boo and want changes. The Buffalo fans don’t owe you a NHL job with no accountability for your play. This Buffalo Sabres team as it is meaning do nothing in the off season you’re going to get the same results as the last 13 years. Watch some of those Buffalo Sabres shows on the Sabres players you can see the Sabres are more a college frat house playing video games, golfing and screwing around. That needs to change for the Buffalo Sabres too many young players together is a bad idea. With older players that frat house crap won’t be mostly the entire Sabres team as it is now. This Sabres team was doomed from the very beginning too many young players screwing around and living in a fantasy world with no accountability for their bad play night after night. To sum it up the Buffalo Sabres management coddles these players many of them need to go to break up that frat house and fire Don Granato that created that and tolerate that. Don Granato should never have been hired to begin with he was the assistant coach to Ralph Krueger. Too expect a different outcome was very naive. Too many Buffalo Sabres fans put too much hope in Don Granato in my opinion. Go Sabres! Let’s Go Buffalo 

Good post but the return key is your friend. Long posts mostly get jumped over. 

[North Buffalo]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

The Buffalo Sabres are too comfortable and too many young players that are running the locker room with little accountability. The Sabres have to get older more experienced players that have grown up. When you have a hockey team that is upset because of Sabres fans booing and chants of fire Don Granato there priorities aren’t in the right place. Newsflash you are losing that is what happens in professional and college sports when you don’t win fans boo and want changes. The Buffalo fans don’t owe you a NHL job with no accountability for your play. This Buffalo Sabres team as it is meaning do nothing in the off season you’re going to get the same results as the last 13 years. Watch some of those Buffalo Sabres shows on the Sabres players you can see the Sabres are more a college frat house playing video games, golfing and screwing around. That needs to change for the Buffalo Sabres too many young players together is a bad idea. With older players that frat house crap won’t be mostly the entire Sabres team as it is now. This Sabres team was doomed from the very beginning too many young players screwing around and living in a fantasy world with no accountability for their bad play night after night. To sum it up the Buffalo Sabres management coddles these players many of them need to go to break up that frat house and fire Don Granato that created that and tolerate that. Don Granato should never have been hired to begin with he was the assistant coach to Ralph Krueger. Too expect a different outcome was very naive. Too many Buffalo Sabres fans put too much hope in Don Granato in my opinion. Go Sabres! Let’s Go Buffalo 

I agree DG may be past his usefulness of developing young guys... yes a few really young guys need developing but overall Sabres young vets need a coach who can light a fire... still need a good coach in Rochester... grab Peca back replace Matty Ellis and hire a head coach who can call them out...  add a couple of skilled grinders with some angst... lose Skinner however.

[inkman]

21 minutes ago, North Buffalo said:

I agree DG may be past his usefulness of developing young guys... yes a few really young guys need developing but overall Sabres young vets need a coach who can light a fire... still need a good coach in Rochester... grab Peca back replace Matty Ellis and hire a head coach who can call them out...  add a couple of skilled grinders with some angst... lose Skinner however.

Why on gods green earth would mike Peca want to come back to this heaping pile of garbage?

[French Collection]

7 hours ago, inkman said:

Why on gods green earth would mike Peca want to come back to this heaping pile of garbage?

To pick a Pegula paycheck.