Greenway on the market ?

[Two or less]

Interesting write-up in the athletic about Vancouver's interest in Jordan Greenway. Unless i'm reading too much into it?

 

https://theathletic.com/5183093/2024/01/06/canucks-andrei-kuzmenko-trade-deadline/

[inkman]

Trading Greenway is a terrible idea.  He is invaluable on the PK and in the D zone. 

[JohnC]

12 minutes ago, Two or less said:

Interesting write-up in the athletic about Vancouver's interest in Jordan Greenway. Unless i'm reading too much into it?

 

https://theathletic.com/5183093/2024/01/06/canucks-andrei-kuzmenko-trade-deadline/

The appeal as to why Vancouver would want Greenway is the same appeal as to why the Sabres would want to keep him. He fits in well with the Mitts line and more importantly, he is one of our best PK players. He was a good value pickup for us. 

[sabremike]

18 minutes ago, Two or less said:

Interesting write-up in the athletic about Vancouver's interest in Jordan Greenway. Unless i'm reading too much into it?

 

https://theathletic.com/5183093/2024/01/06/canucks-andrei-kuzmenko-trade-deadline/

That writer flat out sucks at his job. I mean we went out of our way to get Greenway and aren't trading him short of some absolutely stupid offer we can't refuse.

[GASabresIUFAN]

Wayne Gretzky got traded.  Everyone is available depending on price and situation, even players with NMC/NTCs.

Also given the performance of the Sabres, KA should be listening to any offer other teams want to make.  

I loved the Greenway acquisition.  He was acquired to improve the PK and make us tougher, but he is adding less on the scoresheet than hoped.  So he is worth keeping for two more years at $3 mill per year if he gives 4th line O production or could he be traded to improve the defense?  I certainly wouldn’t trade him for futures unless the futures are packaged to improve the D.  For example, Greenway is traded for a depth forward and 1st rd pick and the 1st is package with Joki to add a top 4 D.
 

 

Edited January 9 by GASabresIUFAN

[Pimlach]

I just don’t see it.  
 

If we trade Greenway we will have a hard time replacing him.  A very hard time.  His skill set is something we don’t have in the near term pipeline.  

[GASabresIUFAN]

11 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

I just don’t see it.  
 

If we trade Greenway we will have a hard time replacing him.  A very hard time.  His skill set is something we don’t have in the near term pipeline.  

Where do you see Greenway playing for Buffalo next season?

TNT, Skinner, Tuch, Cozens, JJP, Quinn, and Benson are all top 9 forwards under contract.  When Mitts is re-signed that’s 8 top 9 forwards.  Now if one of Rosen, Kulich or Savoie make the Sabres, the 9 top 9 forwards.  That relegates Greenway to the 4th line.  Is it worth paying Greenway $3 mill to be a 4th liner?  

What if trading Greenway helps get us a 2 way center or a top 4 D, I think KA would have to consider it especially if he believes Greenway to destined to be a 4th line player next season.

[Night Train]

Currently, he's protecting Benson and playing good.

Hard to believe that speculation.

[LGR4GM]

17 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Where do you see Greenway playing for Buffalo next season?

TNT, Skinner, Tuch, Cozens, JJP, Quinn, and Benson are all top 9 forwards under contract.  When Mitts is re-signed that’s 8 top 9 forwards.  Now if one of Rosen, Kulich or Savoie make the Sabres, the 9 top 9 forwards.  That relegates Greenway to the 4th line.  Is it worth paying Greenway $3 mill to be a 4th liner?  

What if trading Greenway helps get us a 2 way center or a top 4 D, I think KA would have to consider it especially if he believes Greenway to destined to be a 4th line player next season.

None of Savoie, Kulich, or Rosen should be penciled into the top 9 next season. 

1 hour ago, Two or less said:

Interesting write-up in the athletic about Vancouver's interest in Jordan Greenway. Unless i'm reading too much into it?

 

https://theathletic.com/5183093/2024/01/06/canucks-andrei-kuzmenko-trade-deadline/

This doesn't indicate Greenway is on the market. In fact it says nothing other than Vancouver has interest but who cares who Vancouver is interested in?

[Doohicksie]

1 hour ago, inkman said:

Trading Greenway is a terrible idea.  He is invaluable on the PK and in the D zone. 

On the other hand.... what's the offer?  The write up refers to the Canucks looking for "top-six" forwards.  If that's what Vancouver views him as, they may be willing to pay more than Kevyn can refuse.

I agree though, I'd like to keep him.

[Doohicksie]

27 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

That relegates Greenway to the 4th line.  Is it worth paying Greenway $3 mill to be a 4th liner?

Yes, if they're paying league minimum to some of their Top Nine.  If he's an upgrade over, say, Okposo, sure he's worth $3 mil to Okposo's $2.5 mil.

29 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

What if trading Greenway helps get us a 2 way center or a top 4 D, I think KA would have to consider it especially if he believes Greenway to destined to be a 4th line player next season.

On the other hand, this is also a valid option.

[HOUSE]

I like him, don't be stupid Buffalo

[Pimlach]

1 hour ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Where do you see Greenway playing for Buffalo next season?

TNT, Skinner, Tuch, Cozens, JJP, Quinn, and Benson are all top 9 forwards under contract.  When Mitts is re-signed that’s 8 top 9 forwards.  Now if one of Rosen, Kulich or Savoie make the Sabres, the 9 top 9 forwards.  That relegates Greenway to the 4th line.  Is it worth paying Greenway $3 mill to be a 4th liner?  

What if trading Greenway helps get us a 2 way center or a top 4 D, I think KA would have to consider it especially if he believes Greenway to destined to be a 4th line player next season.

If Adams gets working then I see him on the 4th line next season.  A good 4th line.  I see him as a PK guy and a defensive specialist with ability to contribute offensively. If he plays on the 3rd line, that’s  fine. 

Sure, if you can get a legit top 4 D with Greenway’s experience and his size and toughness.   You have to replace all of that.  Then go for it I guess.  

Edited January 9 by Pimlach

[DarthEbriate]

Fancy that... Vancouver is a playoff contender this season and needs a very good defensive forward/penalty killer and their beat writer looks at teams that should sell before the deadline. Voila.

But Greenway is under contract for next season and be the primary defensive forward and be the main cycler/grinder with the likes of Okposo and Girgensons much more unlikely to return. Mayyybe Girgs.

Simple solution: 4 firsts for Greenway. Make it happen!

[Flashsabre]

Half this board Last year: What an absolute bum Greenway is. Can’t believe they wasted picks trading for him

This season: He’s too valuable to trade😂

It just says the Canucks inquired about him as they should. He plays a role all teams covet: 6’6 winger that will use his size, tremendous defensively and on the PK, can put the puck in the net at a 15-20 goal clip if in the right situation.

IF they moved him it would have to be for a piece they really need not a draft pick.

He has carved out a nice role in Buffalo as a piece they don’t have duplicates of.

[mjd1001]

I think he's a good penalty killer because he has good size/reach and he holds his position well (doesn't just chase the puck, uses his reach to disrupt without over-rotating).  But, that CAN be replaced if you get a good offer for him.

He looks good some games, but honestly, at 16.5 minutes per game, he is getting 3rd line minutes. I'd like more production from him (on pace for 8 goals, 21 assists) from a guy getting 3rd line minutes before I consider him not replaceable.

[Taro T]

30 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

I think he's a good penalty killer because he has good size/reach and he holds his position well (doesn't just chase the puck, uses his reach to disrupt without over-rotating).  But, that CAN be replaced if you get a good offer for him.

He looks good some games, but honestly, at 16.5 minutes per game, he is getting 3rd line minutes. I'd like more production from him (on pace for 8 goals, 21 assists) from a guy getting 3rd line minutes before I consider him not replaceable.

He IS replaceable.  But the Sabres have nobody in the system that can replace him within the next 2 years.  

IF he is traded (and personally, don't see it happening), they then need to go out and get a replacement for him.  He has a skill set and a role on this roster that nobody else possesses.  Trade him, and the team that people already decry as having too much of 1 style player and not enough of the Greenway types now has 1 less Greenway type and (because it's all that they have in the system) 1 more of that other style player.

And, this is not addressed towards your point, but have seen people here state that Greenway should be traded and the pieces he brings back should be part of a package for a real D-man.  What pieces can he bring back that the team doesn't already have to use in a trade?  They have (at least this year and POSSIBLY next year) cap space; they have high end prospects; they have draft picks available; they have players on expiring contracts.  Wtf is he bringing back that is magically more tradable than what they already have as trade bait?

[bunomatic]

According to what some Vancouver media are saying the Sabres are interested in Kuzmenco so Greenway plus picks ? If kuzmenco could regain his touch from last season(39goals) that would help put a shine on the loss of Greenway no?

Edited January 9 by bunomatic

[Flashsabre]

Kuzmenko is not what this teams needs.

[PerreaultForever]

Depends on what their plan is for next year. If he's slotted to be a 4th liner then move him for a good offer. A 3m pending ufa on the 4th line would be dumb. 

3 hours ago, Night Train said:

Currently, he's protecting Benson and playing good.

Hard to believe that speculation.

Is he? When did he do this I don't recall?

I'm not as impressed with Greenway as some of you are so I'd be fine to move him if we get more than we paid for him. Again, it depends on what the plan is and what they plan to do in free agency next year. 

Vancouver is thinking playoffs and wants to be able to match L.A. more in size so they might overpay.  

[Sabres73]

3 hours ago, bunomatic said:

According to what some Vancouver media are saying the Sabres are interested in Kuzmenco so Greenway plus picks ? If kuzmenco could regain his touch from last season(39goals) that would help put a shine on the loss of Greenway no?

This rumour is just a case of the Vancouver media trying to stir something up as Kuzmenco has been a topic on the sports shows out here. I'm sure they think Buffalo would be happy to make a lopsided trade in Van's favour, but it ain't happening. No smoke, no fire.

[inkman]

7 hours ago, bunomatic said:

According to what some Vancouver media are saying the Sabres are interested in Kuzmenco so Greenway plus picks ? If kuzmenco could regain his touch from last season(39goals) that would help put a shine on the loss of Greenway no?

But why create that loss, to acquire another type of player they have in droves.  We are going to see the Sabres push some good offensive players out of the way for better 200 ft players.  Already happened with Benson for Olofsson.  

[LGR4GM]

8 hours ago, seer775 said:

More picks and more prospects. We need a lot of ready pieces and none of which are going to be cheap.

We need 1-2 solid NHL Dmen. We need a goalie. That might cost upwards of 9 guys.

Greenway is at best a fourth liner with pk minutes. At worst, an AHL player. Trade him while he's worth something. Replace him with an up and comer who can use the minutes. 

Unlikely. You don't fill all that via trade because you couldn't and I'd bet money Adams is not goalie shopping. 1 of the D we need is a 5th defender, that's like a 3rd round pick maybe. The other defender we need is like Savoie and 50% olofsson retained because we have Dahlin which means we don't need a #1. 

There is literally no one in Rochester to replace him with. 

Trading nhl players under contract for picks is the last thing this team should be doing. Idk why anyone would care if Greenway was on the 4th line. It would be an improvement over Zemgus and Greenway can slide up the lineup as needed. It's called depth, it's what real nhl teams do. 

[SABRES 0311]

10 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Where do you see Greenway playing for Buffalo next season?

TNT, Skinner, Tuch, Cozens, JJP, Quinn, and Benson are all top 9 forwards under contract.  When Mitts is re-signed that’s 8 top 9 forwards.  Now if one of Rosen, Kulich or Savoie make the Sabres, the 9 top 9 forwards.  That relegates Greenway to the 4th line.  Is it worth paying Greenway $3 mill to be a 4th liner?  

What if trading Greenway helps get us a 2 way center or a top 4 D, I think KA would have to consider it especially if he believes Greenway to destined to be a 4th line player next season.

That’s assuming all of those nine will be on the team next year. Defense needs to be improved. Some of those nine could help.

[LGR4GM]

1 hour ago, seer775 said:

Couldn't is a dirty word. You most certainly could find 2 competent Dmen on the trade market. Teams trade for depth DMen all the time (Zadorov, McCabe, Orlov, Montour, etc). 

A competent top 4 defender is worth much more than a fourth liner. Ours play minimum 25% more minutes per game including the pp and pk.

KA should be looking for depth Dmen because Joker and EJ are going to need replacing. Also, we have enough young forwards in the AHL to cycle into the 4th line when it's time to test them out. 

It happens that some teams, like the Canucks, are looking to add size. By moving Greenway, who is a UFA in 2 years, we can get some assets to apply to the acquisition of a depth defender, so why wouldn't we?

Sell Greenway for a 2nd, a 5th, and a prospect (or better). Target an RFA and a UFA on defense.

RFAs: Boqvist, Seider, Bouchard, Byram.

UFAs: Barrie, Montour, Chycrun (trade), Matheson (trade), etc.

None of the players in Rochester have shown an ounce of being able to do what Greenway does. WTF do we need another 2nd and 5th round pick and some ***** prospect that no one gives a ***** about when you in this very post say "we have enough young forwards in the AHL"? This is how not to build a team 101, draft a bazillion guys over 3 years and then turn around and trade an NHL player who is useful to your team so you can get more draft picks and prospects. We already have assets to get a #4 defender who typically cost at most a 2nd and a prospect. What a ***** waste of time this would be. 

We aren't trading for any of the UFA's you listed because lol, that doesn't make sense and Adams certainly will feel that way.

Boqvist is Jokiharju with a different name and potentially not as good, no. Bouchard you literally can't trade for unless you wanna ship out Power or Cozens. Seider... LMFAO, you think Yzerman will trade his former 6th overall pick and best defender? Are you mad? I don't mind Byram but why on earth would Colorado want to trade him? Why would they want a couple of 2nd round picks and Isak Rosen or something? They wouldn't. So out of the list of RFAs you have here, 2 are almost guaranteed to be impossible to acquire unless you want to trade Owen Power, Dylan Cozens, JJP, OR Jack Quinn (1 of them would be the starting point for a Seider or Bouchard trade and then you have to add). Boqvist isn't much of an upgrade if at all so why bother. Sure if Colorado really wanted to rebuild they could trade their 22yr old defender but I again, you'd be looking to give them a prospect and a pick they really like (think Kulich and a 2nd and probably a sweetener like Strbak).