Is There A Case For Being Patient? "Patience" is not a dirty word

[bob_sauve28]

Youngest team in the league won't be winning all the time. Granato and Adams should be allowed A LOT of leeway to try and figure this thing out. Losing sucks, but overreacting and firing everyone, trading away great young players and taking on some expensive vets is not the answer, IMO, Just sit back, say, "It is what it is" and get use to more losing for the time being and let this cake bake. 

 

 

[Weave]

[Taro T]

Just now, bob_sauve28 said:

Youngest team in the league won't be winning all the time. Granato and Adams should be allowed A LOT of leeway to try and figure this thing out. Losing sucks, but overreacting and firing everyone, trading away great young players and taking on some expensive vets is not the answer, IMO, Just sit back, say, "It is what it is" and get use to more losing for the time being and let this cake bake. 

 

 

At an absolute MINIMUM they need a real PP coach brought it.  That unit is embarassingly bad and is a big part of why they haven't strung 2 W's together multiple times this year.  There is too much talent on this roster for the PP to be so horrible and the Sabres PP is a major momentum driver this season.

[Contempt]

Patience for what? So they can ruin more prospects? Waste more prime years? Sign more unproven players to massive contracts? More years for what purpose? What prospects am I waiting for to come in and make a difference? The guys in Rochester are the same as what they already have, how will any of them change anything? How many more drafts of them continuing to add more of the same will make a difference? How long until we get a qualified staff? Should we just let them grow into it for a decade or two?

These guys are clueless. We could give them 50 years and they won't get better.

[Radar]

Patience!! Did you say patience?? Let's at least give us how many decades you might have in mind. 

[Marvin]

This team is young, but it is not inexperienced.  There are no excuses for the continued basic defencive lapses in their own zone or lack of creativity in the design of the power play.

They need better assistants and should look at the recent firings as a place to start.

[bob_sauve28]

10 minutes ago, Taro T said:

At an absolute MINIMUM they need a real PP coach brought it.  That unit is embarassingly bad and is a big part of why they haven't strung 2 W's together multiple times this year.  There is too much talent on this roster for the PP to be so horrible and the Sabres PP is a major momentum driver this season.

100% agree with that! It's just wrong they are that bad 

6 minutes ago, Contempt said:

Patience for what? So they can ruin more prospects? Waste more prime years? Sign more unproven players to massive contracts? More years for what purpose? What prospects am I waiting for to come in and make a difference? The guys in Rochester are the same as what they already have, how will any of them change anything? How many more drafts of them continuing to add more of the same will make a difference? How long until we get a qualified staff? Should we just let them grow into it for a decade or two?

These guys are clueless. We could give them 50 years and they won't get better.

Do you have contempt for patience? 🤣

[Stoner]

I have to chuckle at the notion of patience and how much traction it will get if the season continues clockwise. Because there was very little appetite for patience in preseason prognostications. Of course SS is always a moving cup on a NYC scammer's table.

[Thorner]

21 minutes ago, bob_sauve28 said:

Just sit back, say, "It is what it is" and get use to more losing for the time being

What a sad state of affairs

that’s all I’ll say

[Contempt]

1 minute ago, PASabreFan said:

I have to chuckle at the notion of patience and how much traction it will get if the season continues clockwise. Because there was very little appetite for patience in preseason prognostications. Of course SS is always a moving cup on a NYC scammer's table.

An actual impactful trade has been overdue for quite some time and the more half assed efforts this group of posers put in the more overdue that trade becomes.

Kev doesn't wanna make a trade? Fine. Someone important goes to the press box or better to Rochester. If they react to that by sulking, fine, you've identified a problem and you cut bait immediately.

I'm beyond tired of the tiptoeing around they are doing. So much unacceptable nonsense this year and so little reaction to it.

I don't even understand where any call for patience comes from if not from a place of desperation realizing that the team has chosen its path and isn't going to change. Patience is prayer at this point. Please <insert deity of choice> let the players turn it around, have Matt Ellis excel at one thing in his life, and let Kevin Adams be correct in his assessment of everything.

[Stoner]

13 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:

I have to chuckle at the notion of patience and how much traction it will get if the season continues clockwise. Because there was very little appetite for patience in preseason prognostications. Of course SS is always a moving cup on a NYC scammer's table.

103 eyerolls headed back.

[Flashsabre]

We’ve waited 13 years. What’s another 13 in the grand scheme of things

[Archie Lee]

20 minutes ago, bob_sauve28 said:

Youngest team in the league won't be winning all the time. Granato and Adams should be allowed A LOT of leeway to try and figure this thing out. Losing sucks, but overreacting and firing everyone, trading away great young players and taking on some expensive vets is not the answer, IMO, Just sit back, say, "It is what it is" and get use to more losing for the time being and let this cake bake. 

 

 

There is nothing inpatient about making smart roster moves or coaching changes in an effort to win more hockey games.  There aren't many people who are actively calling for Adams to do something dumb and shortsighted.

I do agree that patience is important.  Those who want to dismiss the positive results Adams has rendered and ridicule him for having a 10-15 year plan are being rash. Things were very bad (frankly, as bad as it can get) when he took over and up until this off-season we had seen steady positive progression under Adams. He should rightly get credit for that.  I think it would be a mistake though, for Adams to think he can operate in a vacuum where the 9 years out of the playoffs that preceded his arrival are meaningless to the fans and to the players on the team.  Dahlin, Thompson, Mittelstadt are in year 6 of this.  Incredibly, Cozens is in year 4 of it.  Losing is what lead to some players not "wanting to be here".   He is fooling himself if he thinks the same can't happen with the current group of players.  

[bob_sauve28]

8 minutes ago, Thorny said:

What a sad state of affairs

that’s all I’ll say

Could be worse than being a Sabres fan, we could all live in Gaza or some other war torn nation. 

[SwampD]

No. There is not a case for being patient. This was the year for which we were patient.

Make the playoffs or go away.

[Doohicksie]

1 hour ago, bob_sauve28 said:

Youngest team in the league won't be winning all the time. Granato and Adams should be allowed A LOT of leeway to try and figure this thing out. Losing sucks, but overreacting and firing everyone, trading away great young players and taking on some expensive vets is not the answer, IMO, Just sit back, say, "It is what it is" and get use to more losing for the time being and let this cake bake. 

 

 

A saying I've picked up living south of the Mason Dixon Line works here.

[Marvin]

29 minutes ago, bob_sauve28 said:

Could be worse than being a Sabres fan, we could all live in Gaza or some other war torn nation. 

Isn't that damning them with very faint praise?

I am impatient because I think that this team, as constituted, should be somewhere around 8th in the conference.  Because they are not close, I infer that the problem is the coaching.  In particular, I see specialist issues, which point at the assistants.  They could change the coaches at any time.

[bob_sauve28]

19 minutes ago, Marvin said:

Isn't that damning them with very faint praise?

I am impatient because I think that this team, as constituted, should be somewhere around 8th in the conference.  Because they are not close, I infer that the problem is the coaching.  In particular, I see specialist issues, which point at the assistants.  They could change the coaches at any time.

I'd say if you made a switch of the assistants that you would not be accused of being impatient. At least by me. I'm just against dumping the whole staff or trading away Savoy, Kulich and Power to get some veterans 

[Taro T]

26 minutes ago, Marvin said:

Isn't that damning them with very faint praise?

I am impatient because I think that this team, as constituted, should be somewhere around 8th in the conference.  Because they are not close, I infer that the problem is the coaching.  In particular, I see specialist issues, which point at the assistants.  They could change the coaches at any time.

Yep.  They absolutely should've made changes in the assistant coaching ranks.  Thing is, that CAN be remedied today.  Doubt it will, but it can.

The points missed because Quinn was in the pressbox and Olofsson wasn't a good enough  replacement can't be recovered.

These HAVE to be moments that management has learned from or this season is a bigger waste than it's setting up to be.

The one item though that Adams was right to a degree on is that MOST of the goalies that were avaialble would not have been significant enough upgrades for what they'd've cost over the guys they have.  The one thing people forget about when suggesting guys that seem better than what is here is that those other goalies would still be in this same system.  And it is NOT goalie friendly in any way shape or form.  There were rumors that Saros or Hellebucyk were available.  Saros would 100% have been an upgrade over what we have and would've been good enough.  Hellebucyk would've been an upgrade.  Based on the talk from the analytics people, not positive that he'd've been enough of an upgrade though he definitely would've been an upgrade.  An offer to Varlamov that got him to leave his bestest buddy or an offer sheet to Swayman also could've worked.  But not much else without actually teaching and reinforcing the defensive system was going to be a significant upgrade over what they have.  And what they have is an upgrade over last year; just to date not enough of one.  And those guys aren't available anymore.  (If they ever were.  Hellebucyk was available and for the right money Varlamov and Swayman were too (everybody has a price).  Not sure if the Saros dream was ever more than wishful thinking.)

But, Quinn is back and hopefully his return brings back the Cozens that could actually shoot the puck.  And, assistant coaching upgrades are available today.  Make at least one there, and let's see if they can battle back into this thing.

Edited January 2 by Taro T

[jad1]

1 minute ago, bob_sauve28 said:

I'd say if you made a switch of the assistants that you would not be accused of being impatient. At least by me. I'm just against dumping the whole staff or trading away Savoy, Kulich and Power to get some veterans 

So being impatient means you want to get rid of Savoie, Kulich, and Power?

Am I impatient if I want the Sabres to keep those three guys but fire Adams?

What's the definition of impatience here?

[#freejame]

1 minute ago, jad1 said:

So being impatient means you want to get rid of Savoie, Kulich, and Power?

Am I impatient if I want the Sabres to keep those three guys but fire Adams?

What's the definition of impatience here?

Are you unhappy with the state of the Sabres? Then you are impatient. That’s the definition. 

[bob_sauve28]

2 minutes ago, jad1 said:

So being impatient means you want to get rid of Savoie, Kulich, and Power?

Am I impatient if I want the Sabres to keep those three guys but fire Adams?

What's the definition of impatience here?

I'd say that is impatient, but that's just me, don't take it personal. It might be the right way to go, for all I know 

1 minute ago, #freejame said:

Are you unhappy with the state of the Sabres? Then you are impatient. That’s the definition. 

No, you can be unhappily patient, too. 🤓

[Sabres Fan in NS]

Rome was not built in a day.  I am sure the Romans had a few false starts after scorching the earth by making the biggest mistake in their long history.

[bob_sauve28]

Just now, Sabres Fan in NS said:

Rome was not built in a day.  I am sure the Romans had a few false starts after scorching the earth by making the biggest mistake in their long history.

Hannibal gave them a pretty rough time for about a decade there. 

[Stoner]

13 minutes ago, Sabres Fan in NS said:

Rome was not built in a day.  I am sure the Romans had a few false starts after scorching the earth by making the biggest mistake in their long history.

Rome, NY, however was built in 17 days. Back when men had a work ethic.