Has This Organization Made Any Progress?

[Goldseatsaud]

14 hours ago, seer775 said:

We're the youngest team in the league. It's going to take time, at least a few years. 

As long as KA doesn't make some really stupid moves, we will develop into a contender in time. We have the pieces. 

How many years 3-5. I’ll be dead

[Thorner]

The youngest team in the league stuff is purely pr spin, nonsense 

Sabres average age is 25. Bruins average age is 27. How is it worth it lol

[#freejame]

Just now, Thorny said:

The youngest team in the league stuff is purely pr spin, nonsense 

Sabres average age is 25. Bruins average age is 27. How is it worth it lol

[In The Buff]

Ullmark is so Buffalo. The Sabres, with a need for solid goaltending that extends back many years, they continue to have the same issues with goaltending, all while they face their former one who has been quite successful on his new team. 

It must sting that Ullmark has done so well in Boston while our goaltending woes continue. But what can we learn from this? Surely theres something?

Ullmark was Linus here as he is Linus there. What is the difference between the 2 teams that contributes to his success (or lack of it with us)?

We all know the answer to this question. Problem is that evidently our coach & GM dont. Until we play within a disciplined defensive system, no goalie aside from Hasek will have any chance out there. On this front its hard to see much progress at all.

[Thorner]

30 minutes ago, In The Buff said:

Ullmark is so Buffalo. The Sabres, with a need for solid goaltending that extends back many years, they continue to have the same issues with goaltending, all while they face their former one who has been quite successful on his new team. 

It must sting that Ullmark has done so well in Boston while our goaltending woes continue. But what can we learn from this? Surely theres something?

Ullmark was Linus here as he is Linus there. What is the difference between the 2 teams that contributes to his success (or lack of it with us)?

We all know the answer to this question. Problem is that evidently our coach & GM dont. Until we play within a disciplined defensive system, no goalie aside from Hasek will have any chance out there. On this front its hard to see much progress at all.

I dunno why people want to divide the entire goalie pool into “Hasek, and others.”

Ullmark put up way better numbers here than any of our current guys. Even in our systems or lack there of. Goalies are a spectrum. Goalies can provide positive output even if they aren’t the greatest ever. Goalies can improve your D and D can improve your goalies

[SwampD]

Wait, Boston has less talent than the Sabres?… mmmmm K.

I think I look for other things in a player than the OP.

[PerreaultForever]

4 minutes ago, SwampD said:

Wait, Boston has less talent than the Sabres?… mmmmm K.

I think I look for other things in a player than the OP.

I think in some ways that is very true. We have players with great talent but we do not develop them into complete players that maximize their abilities the way the Bruins (and other teams) do. All you have to do is look at the players that leave being better than they were here (Reinhart NHL star of the week last week I believe for example) to see that the problem is deeply rooted and isn't about the players.

Coaching matters. Culture matters. Just look how Tochet flipped Vancouver. Coaching matters. Accountability matters. In Buffalo it's about having fun, playing your game and scoring goals. In other places like Boston it's about winning and working hard to improve even when you are winning. Everyone is united and accountable. 

As Johnson alluded to games ago, until this team realizes you need to play a complete 2 way game to succeed in this league it'll never change. 

So to your point, it's never just about talent. 

[GoPre]

Pegula bought the Sabres for $189 million.  I believe it was in 2011 he set an embarrassing three year timetable to win the Stanley Cup.  They haven't come close.  Can't even make the playoffs.  They are now valued at $900 million.  I wonder how much longer he's going to deal w/ such a headache.  Owning one Buffalo franchise is plenty of stress, can't imagine having two.  I don't see him selling the Bills before the Sabres.   

[Flashsabre]

25 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

I think in some ways that is very true. We have players with great talent but we do not develop them into complete players that maximize their abilities the way the Bruins (and other teams) do. All you have to do is look at the players that leave being better than they were here (Reinhart NHL star of the week last week I believe for example) to see that the problem is deeply rooted and isn't about the players.

Coaching matters. Culture matters. Just look how Tochet flipped Vancouver. Coaching matters. Accountability matters. In Buffalo it's about having fun, playing your game and scoring goals. In other places like Boston it's about winning and working hard to improve even when you are winning. Everyone is united and accountable. 

As Johnson alluded to games ago, until this team realizes you need to play a complete 2 way game to succeed in this league it'll never change. 

So to your point, it's never just about talent. 

Well said. This is what I was alluding to. You just laid it out perfectly.

[#freejame]

20 minutes ago, GoPre said:

Pegula bought the Sabres for $189 million.  I believe it was in 2011 he set an embarrassing three year timetable to win the Stanley Cup.  They haven't come close.  Can't even make the playoffs.  They are now valued at $900 million.  I wonder how much longer he's going to deal w/ such a headache.  Owning one Buffalo franchise is plenty of stress, can't imagine having two.  I don't see him selling the Bills before the Sabres.   

He won’t sell the Bills because that’s why he bought the Sabres to begin with. 

[Pimlach]

4 hours ago, shrader said:

Look at the entire league right now.  It's full of teams hovering around mediocrity.  I feel like this situation is far less unique than people realize.

Please stop.  12 years.  That’s all you need to know.  

[Pimlach]

24 minutes ago, GoPre said:

Pegula bought the Sabres for $189 million.  I believe it was in 2011 he set an embarrassing three year timetable to win the Stanley Cup.  They haven't come close.  Can't even make the playoffs.  They are now valued at $900 million.  I wonder how much longer he's going to deal w/ such a headache.  Owning one Buffalo franchise is plenty of stress, can't imagine having two.  I don't see him selling the Bills before the Sabres.   

I want him to sell the Sabres.  I really do. 

[Mango]

I was all in last year. But this year I am struggling to find the vision after seeing the bottom 6 perform.

I know I keep coming back to it, but the top 6 is more or less set for the next 3-5 years. We have some guys to shuffle in towards the end of that as guys age out and contracts expire. But it seems like we have too much overlap in that skill set and lack anybody with any physicality or grit n the pipeline. I just don't see the plan other than just wait, see, and hope. And if that is the case, WTF is the point of an NHL GM if all we do is draft and wait? 

It just feels like we are building this thing as our first line is our best line and our 4th line is our worst, and that isn't how teams are constructed. 
 

[mjd1001]

4 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

I want him to sell the Sabres.  I really do. 

The key is, would any new potential owner keep the team in Buffalo?

I haven't really liked Pegula as owners of the Bills or Sabres since he got them.  But I will take his as the owner of one/both of the teams rather than him selling to someone who would entertain moving them.

[PerreaultForever]

4 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

The key is, would any new potential owner keep the team in Buffalo?

I haven't really liked Pegula as owners of the Bills or Sabres since he got them.  But I will take his as the owner of one/both of the teams rather than him selling to someone who would entertain moving them.

Why would you think a new owner would move them? It's a proven solid hockey market when it's a decent franchise. People will cross the border and there's a lot of hockey fans in the area. They just need an owner that will put a good experienced hockey guy in charge of things and let him run with. 

Or heck, move it, and then get an expansion team and start over. The right way. Really doesn't matter. 

[shrader]

20 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

Please stop.  12 years.  That’s all you need to know.  

The past is done.  It's a right now thing.

[Standing Room Smoking Cigs]

Yeesh... I agree the Bills go south, hoping the Sabres make the step... Well so much for holiday wishes!!! (seems to be a recurring theme... for years). I applaud Adams for bringing in the young talent... but isn't this starting to turn out out to the wash, rinse and repeat of the Bowman era (can't beat the Bruins, thank god the Leafs sucked backed then under Ballard)... Great players drafted, yet they are remembered elsewhere for accomplishing cup glory when they get into the HOF... Adams needs to shake it up... Florida shook it up and look what they got, a heart... a trade that seems to be a steal cap wise and momentum... (which makes an owner happy, revenue wise)... Developmental coaches are what they are, they develop kids for the next step, Granato ain't dealing with kids anymore, yet he seems to have the mindset it's the next step... no offense... but the NHL is the last step... if the players are trying to take a step at the top of the floor with no steps... Houston... we have a problem!!!

[GoPre]

18 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

The key is, would any new potential owner keep the team in Buffalo?

I haven't really liked Pegula as owners of the Bills or Sabres since he got them.  But I will take his as the owner of one/both of the teams rather than him selling to someone who would entertain moving them.

I can’t imagine pulling for another team if the Sabres left Buffalo.  Same for the Bills.  

[SABRES 0311]

18 minutes ago, GoPre said:

I can’t imagine pulling for another team if the Sabres left Buffalo.  Same for the Bills.  

I think I would root for wherever the Sabres move to. It would be weird but is what it is.

[Marvin]

4 minutes ago, SABRES 0311 said:

I think I would root for wherever the Sabres move to. It would be weird but is what it is.

I went through this with the Braves.  I don't have the mental make-up for it.

[Pimlach]

1 hour ago, mjd1001 said:

The key is, would any new potential owner keep the team in Buffalo?

I haven't really liked Pegula as owners of the Bills or Sabres since he got them.  But I will take his as the owner of one/both of the teams rather than him selling to someone who would entertain moving them.

True.  Of Course.  If he sells, we have to want it to an entity with strong Buffalo ties. 

[mjd1001]

1 hour ago, SABRES 0311 said:

I think I would root for wherever the Sabres move to. It would be weird but is what it is.

Interesting thing to think about.

I think I COULD, but the thing that might turn me off is what would inevitably happen:  When I saw the players, the coaches, etc  have interviews over and over saying about how they love the new city, they are embracing the fanbase, saying how great the fans are for coming out to support them......and the marketing for the new team breaking most/all times with the "Buffalo Sabres" to build their own brand and marketing....well. that might do it for me.  Its not that I don't expect that to happen, but in today's society it would likely go too overboard for my taste.

At that point I would probably look around the league for a team that hasn't won in a while, but has a fun, young core and is starting to have success, with a young player or two that I really like... and start to follow them.

A decade ago (or more) when the Bills were playing in Toronto I kinda went through this thought process. There was talk that maybe the Bills, if they didn't get a new stadium, would move to Toronto. I thought...I don't go to the games myself..I live in Northern Niagara county and on a clear day I can SEE the Rogers center across the lake...we'd still be able to follow them on radio and get to watch all their games, so no big deal to me.  THEN, all it took is for me to hear ONE caller on 590 out of Toronto talk about this and say if the Bills moved there he would want to make sure they had NOTHING to do with "Buffalo" or the "Bills", he said he'd want them to be called Toronto of course, but pick a new team name, even change the colors.  I was like...if THAT is the attitude the fans want then screw Toronto (as far as the Bills going there is concerned)

Edited November 15, 2023 by mjd1001

[Pimlach]

1 hour ago, SABRES 0311 said:

I think I would root for wherever the Sabres move to. It would be weird but is what it is.

Not me.  I didn't do it with the Braves, not gonna ever do it.  

If the Buffalo Sabres move to another city forget them - and expect that city to do a complete name and jersey makeover.  The Buffalo emblem can only be for The City of Buffalo. 

[thewookie1]

I’d want to find some obscure law and sue every related party to the movement as possible to prevent and or punish all involved.

 

The franchise has taken multiple steps forward under Adams, we are no longer the worst in hockey, we have a tremendous prospect pool and the players honestly feel like a team and not a bunch of mercenaries.  (They will go to bat for each other when the other team goes after them)

The issue now is how to take a young team and turn them into a strong contender. One major issue is how can we inject an unyielding desire to win onto a team without anyone having experienced winning here. In theory you need vets with playoff experience. The issue being that said players are rarely available until they are akin to Erik Johnson to which they have little if anything left in the tank but are still a great locker room presence. The only reason Ottawa got Giroux was its proximity to home. Same goes with a guy like Tavares. Okposo was originally meant to be one but his leadership seemed to get ignored by many until Eichel’s departure. The ever apparent issue is how any and all useful experienced players get paid far beyond their worth as UFAs, our younger players are commonly better than the general UFAs one can sign at reasonable rates and signing any vet unreasonably would cause us to lose multiple younger and arguably better alternatives.

[LabattBlue]

2 hours ago, GoPre said:

I can’t imagine pulling for another team if the Sabres left Buffalo.  Same for the Bills.  

If the Sabres left Buffalo, I would lose interest in the NHL. Probably watch some of the playoffs and that is it. 
 

Maybe support an AHL team if one ends up in Buffalo. 

Edited November 15, 2023 by LabattBlue