It Is Time: Fire the GM, the Coaching Staff, get some experience in here. Fans deserve better!!!

[Thorner]

7 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Yes... the fans who haven't seen the playoffs in a league record 12 years and counting have a bit of a shorter timeline than... maybe sometime or not

If we miss this year Adams will have contributed to the drought more than any other single GM. It’s not about baggage, it’s about this GM delivering little change from the trend where it counts the most: actual results. The 12 going on 13 years all meld together in the macro. That’s our existence.

it’s not that this excruciatingly slow rebuild is intolerable to fans because of the decade preceding. It’s that taking potentially 5 years just to make the playoffs is *far too long to be an acceptable time frame on its own*. It’s adding that already unacceptable time frame to the previous 8 years of ineptitude that makes it *historically* offensive. 

it’s a stupid timeline to success as is, in a vacuum, made significantly worse when viewed in context. The angst isn’t just from the context. It’s from both. 

Edited November 23, 2023 by Thorny

[LGR4GM]

16 hours ago, seer775 said:

We are royally fudged until Pegula takes off. He cannot make sound executive decisions, nor can he hire competent staffers. 

We let players walk that would have allowed us to be competitive now (ROR, Hall, Ullmark, Eichel, Reinhart, Foligno, Risto, Montour). We had all the pieces, but not the leadership required to unite the team under the vision: Championship. That comes straight from the Owner.

Pegula has got to go.

ROr, Eichel, Reinhart, Risto were not allowed to walk, they were traded.

[LTS]

19 hours ago, seer775 said:

We are royally fudged until Pegula takes off. He cannot make sound executive decisions, nor can he hire competent staffers. 

We let players walk that would have allowed us to be competitive now (ROR, Hall, Ullmark, Eichel, Reinhart, Foligno, Risto, Montour). We had all the pieces, but not the leadership required to unite the team under the vision: Championship. That comes straight from the Owner.

Pegula has got to go.

Quite an agenda there.

I had typed up a long response but I really don't want to engage in a prolonged conversation.

But pointing to ROR, Hall, and Risto as supporting evidence... whew. In fact I'd only look at Ullmark, Reinhart, and Montour as possibly supporting your points but even those are pretty cloudy.

But, given that the owner hasn't shown he's selling the team... it sounds like you are going to be severely disappointed.

[Stoner]

25 minutes ago, LTS said:

Quite an agenda there.

I had typed up a long response but I really don't want to engage in a prolonged conversation.

But pointing to ROR, Hall, and Risto as supporting evidence... whew. In fact I'd only look at Ullmark, Reinhart, and Montour as possibly supporting your points but even those are pretty cloudy.

But, given that the owner hasn't shown he's selling the team... it sounds like you are going to be severely disappointed.

Disagree? Agenda.

Agree? This.

Weak.

[Pimlach]

20 hours ago, seer775 said:

We are royally fudged until Pegula takes off. He cannot make sound executive decisions, nor can he hire competent staffers. 

We let players walk that would have allowed us to be competitive now (ROR, Hall, Ullmark, Eichel, Reinhart, Foligno, Risto, Montour). We had all the pieces, but not the leadership required to unite the team under the vision: Championship. That comes straight from the Owner.

Pegula has got to go.

FIFY

5 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:

Disagree? Agenda.

Agree? This.

Weak.

Conservation of energy today?  Too much turkey?  

Edited November 24, 2023 by Pimlach

[LTS]

53 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:

Disagree? Agenda.

Agree? This.

Weak.

 

I'll admit I tried harder than I should have to understand your response, but I still don't.  I could infer a lot, but it's not worth it.

 

 

[Stoner]

27 minutes ago, LTS said:

 

I'll admit I tried harder than I should have to understand your response, but I still don't.  I could infer a lot, but it's not worth it.

 

 

People smear opinions they don't like with the tag of agenda or narrative. Opinions they like are also sometimes agendas or narratives.

Anywho I don't see how any anti TP post can be an agenda or narrative. He is objectively terrible as an owner.

McDonald's makes terrible burgers is not a narrative.

1 hour ago, Pimlach said:

FIFY

Conservation of energy today?  Too much turkey?  

Ye

[Thorner]

1 hour ago, PASabreFan said:

People smear opinions they don't like with the tag of agenda or narrative. Opinions they like are also sometimes agendas or narratives.

Anywho I don't see how any anti TP post can be an agenda or narrative. He is objectively terrible as an owner.

McDonald's makes terrible burgers is not a narrative.

Ye

Disagree on McDonald’s 

[Weave]

1 hour ago, Thorny said:

Disagree on McDonald’s 

Well, that’s just like, your agenda, man.

[Porous Five Hole]

Not sure if I should pin this on Granato or Adams. But I am puzzled and annoyed about tonight’s lineup. 
 

Granato is playing 7 D again tonight because the Sabres don’t have any extra forwards. Kulich is one hour away. So stupid.
The Sabres could’ve sent Levi down and he wouldn’t even have to go…Just a paper transaction.  I don’t get it. Instead, we are going to get eleven minutes of Erik Johnson and jumbled partners of forwards and defensemen everywhere. 

[Crusader1969]

35 minutes ago, Porous Five Hole said:

Not sure if I should pin this on Granato or Adams. But I am puzzled and annoyed about tonight’s lineup. 
 

Granato is playing 7 D again tonight because the Sabres don’t have any extra forwards. Kulich is one hour away. So stupid.
The Sabres could’ve sent Levi down and he wouldn’t even have to go…Just a paper transaction.  I don’t get it. Instead, we are going to get eleven minutes of Erik Johnson and jumbled partners of forwards and defensemen everywhere. 

How can you not be sure ? Adams is paralyzed at the moment and won't make a decision.    100% on him. 
 

Kulich and Rosen better be called up for tomorrow's game. 

[LGR4GM]

6 minutes ago, seer775 said:

Bruh, ROR has been a better player than any Sabre in the last decade sub Eichel (in Vegas). Hall is more competent than anyone we have besides maybe TT. Risto was a decent D-man who we managed to replace with literally no one. Ullmark Reinhart and Montour are happily as far away from this terrible team as possible and they are tearing it up.

 

There's so much factually wrong here.

4 minutes ago, seer775 said:

Traded for pucks. Why did we trade them in the first place?

I'm not listing those trades. You have Google, look it up. You also have Google and can read about why those trades were made. 

Honestly I'm confused if you're a Sabres fan if you don't know why at the very least Eichel was traded. 

[LGR4GM]

23 minutes ago, seer775 said:

Our owner is a full on mental case who has no idea what he's doing. We gave away a generational center for nothing, only for said center to put on an MVP performance in the Stanley Cup Finals the very next year. And better yet, he said he would've stayed if he got the surgery (which he ended up getting anyways).

We gave away a 500 pt winger (50-60 pts per season) at 5 mil for a prospect and a draft pick.

We gave away Montour who put up 13 pts +2 in the playoffs for the Cats for a third round pick.

O'Reilly full on said he lost the love of hockey while he was in Buffalo. If that doesn't mean that something is horribly, terribly wrong with the culture in this city, I don't know what would. By the way, he was also the Conn Smythe winner as Captain of the Blues the next year.

We don't have a 1A goalie. We had one. He's now starting for Boston, a team that can at least make the playoffs. 

Pegula is the man!!!

Again, you are weaving half truths and straight bs together. You don't like Pegula, that's fine. A lot of this though is not accurate and I'm not dealing with posters like you anymore. 

[Brawndo]

13 minutes ago, seer775 said:

Our owner is a full on mental case who has no idea what he's doing. We gave away a generational center for nothing, only for said center to put on an MVP performance in the Stanley Cup Finals the very next year. And better yet, he said he would've stayed if he got the surgery (which he ended up getting anyways).

Eichel asked for a trade in Summer of 2020 before He was injured. 
 

It was reported He would have played for the Sabres for short while post surgery in order to prove to other teams, he had recovered in order to facilitate a trade. 
 

Teams that get the best player in the deal usually win the deal.

 

There is plenty of examples to prove that Pegula has been a less stellar owner, but he has been hands off from the hockey operations department since Kim’s Medical Situation 

[PerreaultForever]

1 minute ago, Brawndo said:

Eichel asked for a trade in Summer of 2020 before He was injured. 
 

It was reported He would have played for the Sabres for short while post surgery in order to prove to other teams, he had recovered in order to facilitate a trade. 
 

Teams that get the best player in the deal usually win the deal.

 

There is plenty of examples to prove that Pegula has been a less stellar owner, but he has been hands off from the hockey operations department since Kim’s Medical Situation 

He may be hands off but his choices for management show a clear desire for a particular direction and his decision(s) not to leave the team hierarchy in the charge/care of an experienced hockey person who demands standards and accountability determine a lot about this franchise and it's failure.

But F Eichel.  

[LTS]

9 hours ago, PASabreFan said:

People smear opinions they don't like with the tag of agenda or narrative. Opinions they like are also sometimes agendas or narratives.

Anywho I don't see how any anti TP post can be an agenda or narrative. He is objectively terrible as an owner.

McDonald's makes terrible burgers is not a narrative.

Ye

Thank you for the enhanced explanation. Perhaps my fault for not taking each of the players he listed and not pointing out just how out of touch he was with them. Which I was hoping I could group into a shorter post.  Since you replied there have been others that have pointed out the reality of the names that were posted.  That's my problem with the post.  Pegula, objectively, has failed to put this team in the playoffs and that's not a good sign.  But when you trot out Ristolainen as state's evidence.. c'mon..

2 hours ago, seer775 said:

Bruh, ROR has been a better player than any Sabre in the last decade sub Eichel (in Vegas). Hall is more competent than anyone we have besides maybe TT. Risto was a decent D-man who we managed to replace with literally no one. Ullmark Reinhart and Montour are happily as far away from this terrible team as possible and they are tearing it up.

We are all going to be severely disappointed as we watch this team fail year after year until Pegula is way in the rear view mirror.

Bruh?  Wow. Ooookay.  So I guess I need to break it down Barney style for you.

ROR, who forced his way out of Colorado.. who then lost his love of the game in Buffalo because the thought the fans didn't love him.  Yes, that guy who had lightning strike in the mid-season coaching change of Mike Yeo (never gonna do anything good) with Craig Berube (hasn't done anything since) and Jordan "Off his F'ing Rocker" Binnington (also has not done anything since)... that ROR?  The one who was just traded last year from the Blues to the Leafs because he's so invaluable.. and then does not sign with Toronto in the off-season because.. oh damn... he feels too much pressure... and was losing his love of the game.. Again?  That ROR?  Yeah.. he's a real asset.

Eichel - asked to be traded. He was on his way out. It happens when you eat ROR's sour grapes.  By all account Jackie Boy was super psyched to be in Buffalo in the beginning. He was dating the daughter of one of the owners of Basil Auto dealers.  Who knows where it all went wrong but he quickly became a Jack ass. He was a locker room menace.  (Straight words from a player in the locker room at the time). So.. no Eichel was on his way out.

Risto - please. He's a joke.

Ullmark - debated on this board numerous times.  It's a bit of a toss up but you take either of those goaltenders out of Boston right now and they aren't putting up the numbers they are today.

Montour - performing better than his entire career before being dealt.  I still wouldn't mind him, but he ain't changing this team.

Reinhart - perhaps the best example. I was a Reinhart fan, but if he did not want to be here then he would never perform at the level he is today. Though, it took a few more years to get there. 

And... I'm out. No more to be said.  Pegula has not been a great owner, but the team positioned now for better success than it's ever been before. It took a few too many tries to get something meaningful. That sucks, but you aren't perfect and neither is he.

Moving on.

[LGR4GM]

5 hours ago, seer775 said:

 

Risto - better than all of our current bottom 4 D-men.

Lmfao.

[Buffalonill]

2 minutes ago, seer775 said:

Do these guys look better to you?

I think you forgot how bad  Ristolainen is

[Buffalonill]

12 hours ago, seer775 said:

Traded for pucks. Why did we trade them in the first place?

Buffalo got a lot of very important pieces in those trade.

Who cares anymore turn the page 

[Sabres Fan in NS]

All yous guys are spending way to much time and energy engaging this guy.

He is a master bater and yous all are taking it all in ..

[Buffalonill]

8 minutes ago, seer775 said:

He put up top minutes and was a physical defender. 

May I remind you, we got Robert Hagg from that trade.

Why win now when we can lose later? 

Buffalo also got a first and 2nd round pick .

 

Edited November 25, 2023 by Buffalonill

[#freejame]

9 minutes ago, seer775 said:

He put up top minutes and was a physical defender. 

May I remind you, we got Robert Hagg from that trade.

Why win now when we can lose later? 

You could ice me for 30 minutes a night that doesn’t mean I’m good at hockey. 

[Buffalonill]

1 minute ago, seer775 said:

Admittedly, we completely fleeced the Flyers by getting a first for him.

He is still better than Samuelsson, Johnson x2, Joker, and Clifton.

Maybe you should be a flyers fan then .

 

[Flashsabre]

3 minutes ago, seer775 said:

Admittedly, we completely fleeced the Flyers by getting a first for him.

He is still better than Samuelsson, Johnson x2, Joker, and Clifton.

[LGR4GM]

1 hour ago, seer775 said:

Do these guys look better to you?

Yes. Like, what are we even doing here? Ryan Johnson and Mattias Samuelsson are 1,000000000000% better than Ristolainen. Clifton and Johnson are about 50% better. Which is still a lot. 

22 minutes ago, seer775 said:

He put up top minutes and was a physical defender. 

May I remind you, we got Robert Hagg from that trade.

Why win now when we can lose later? 

You'll have to remind we what the Flyers won with Risto.

Also, isn't the 1st we got for him making his Debut tonight? Wasn't that Rosen?