Defense remake underway! Who is moving on?

[triumph_communes]

Joki is the only one with trade value. Bryson is just odd man out. Stillman played really well in our system and probably earned the minutes. I would keep Lyub around and let us play with one less forward- the forwards can play the waiver rotation game anyway. 

Edited July 1, 2023 by triumph_communes

[Rasmus_]

Move on from Erik Johnson and Riley Stillman.  Thanks. 

[GASabresIUFAN]

3 minutes ago, Rasmus_ said:

Move on from Erik Johnson and Riley Stillman.  Thanks. 

You didn’t drop the microphone.

[LGR4GM]

1 hour ago, Brawndo said:

 

You need 8 of those guys. 

It's really simple, you waive Bryson in October. 

[dudacek]

36 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said:

I've been meaning to talk about this at some point this summer. 

People around here tend to confuse what Mule will be with what he is.

Absolutely love him, but he’s played 109 NHL games. He’s behind Cozens and ahead of Krebs on his journey to where he’s going.

[sabresparaavida]

9 minutes ago, dudacek said:

People around here tend to confuse what Mule will be with what he is.

Absolutely love him, but he’s played 109 NHL games. He’s behind Cozens and ahead of Krebs on his journey to where he’s going.

To be fair, Mule is a year older than Cozens and Krebs. 

[matter2003]

1 hour ago, Turbo44 said:

Trade Rosen, joker, Oloffson and UPL for Hellebuyck. A lot of problems solved with a trade like this. Winnipeg needs bodies too

No.

[DarthEbriate]

You could do a trade, but I envision this after camp:

Samuelsson - Dahlin (2 LHD)
Power - Clifton
Lyubushkin - Jokiharju (2 RHD)
Stillman - E.Johnson

ROC: 
R.Johnson - Prow
Bryson - Cecconi
Novikov - Metsa (AHL)
Davies, Jandric (AHL), Savoie (AHL)

[LGR4GM]

7 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

You could do a trade, but I envision this after camp:

Samuelsson - Dahlin (2 LHD)
Power - Clifton
Lyubushkin - Jokiharju (2 RHD)
Stillman - E.Johnson

ROC: 
R.Johnson - Prow
Bryson - Cecconi
Novikov - Metsa (AHL)
Davies, Jandric (AHL), Savoie (AHL)

Remember everyone, there now is a Savoie who is Rochester eligible... just not named Matthew

[LGR4GM]

You know for a GM who doesn't do anything, Kevyn Adams sure has done a lot. 

[Weave]

4 hours ago, Brawndo said:

Whispers, Samuelsson is not very good at defense yet. 
 

I still love him as a player, but 

His analytics are not on par with his reputation amongst the fan base is right now.

The team W/L record with and without him might is probably an indicator how bad the depth was last season.

 

Shut your mouf.

Edited July 1, 2023 by Weave

[Cheektorado]

4 hours ago, Pimlach said:

you keep 8 NHL defenseman

Dahlin Muel

Power Clifton

Luby Joker

rotate in:  Stillman Johnson 

Rochester: Bryson along with Ryan Johnson.    

If all goes well through preseason, I think you are right.  Eric Johnson gets the games and minutes when the matchups are right.

[Zamboni]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

You know for a GM who doesn't do anything, Kevyn Adams sure has done a lot. 

Damn right he has!

 

https://www.sabrespace.com/community/topic/28767-everything-kevyn-adams-has-done-as-sabres-gm/

 

[shrader]

7 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

You need 8 of those guys. 

It's really simple, you waive Bryson in October. 

He’ll look very good in Rochester. 

[French Collection]

6 minutes ago, shrader said:

He’ll look very good in Rochester. 

And he will be making NHL money.

[PerreaultForever]

I really don't see the problem. Some of you guys just aren't used to defensive depth. 

First, Bryson is a non issue. Just don't care. Rochester or picked up on waivers, just don't care. 

If the D is healthy or the season craps out we flip Johnson at the deadline. maybe Stillman too. Maybe Lybushkin. 

Jokiharju I look to trade as he might have value. But if we can't that's okay too. Defensive depth is a valuable thing. 

[Stoner]

13 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

You know for a GM who doesn't do anything, Kevyn Adams sure has done a lot. 

So did Hitler.

[Pimlach]

43 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:

So did Hitler.

<speechless> 

Edited July 2, 2023 by Pimlach

[Quint]

Fairly unrelated but rumor is Carolina will roll out this defense next year: 

Slavin, Pesce, Orlov, Burns, Sjkei and Karlsson…

That should be interesting.
 

[French Collection]

24 minutes ago, Quint said:

Fairly unrelated but rumor is Carolina will roll out this defense next year: 

Slavin, Pesce, Orlov, Burns, Sjkei and Karlsson…

That should be interesting.
 

They would have to give up a lot, like Pesce + to get Karlsson. If San Jose retains $, even more.

[Pimlach]

38 minutes ago, Quint said:

Fairly unrelated but rumor is Carolina will roll out this defense next year: 

Slavin, Pesce, Orlov, Burns, Sjkei and Karlsson…

That should be interesting.
 

Good on paper but how do they pay Pesce and add Karlsson after adding Orlov?  

[Brawndo]

Waddell mentioned the they are acquiring Tony D’Angelo still

[JohnC]

19 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

You didn’t drop the microphone.

Yes, he did. He dropped the mike and it fell on his foot. He limped off the stage with a broken toe. The audience roared with laughter. 🤡

[JohnC]

@K-9made the point in a previous post that with the addition of Clifton and Johnson, our penalty kill should be much better. Another benefit would be that Dahlin and maybe Power wouldn't have to play so many minutes because they would have less usage there. Not having to accumulate those added minutes on the ice should help them as the season grinds on. 

[GASabresIUFAN]

Here are a couple of stats about Johnson and Clifton that should help clarify why they are here.

PK time:  Clifton played 100 minutes on the PK last year.  That was 5th on the Bruins D (they took a lot of penalties), but about the same amount of time Dahlin spent on the PK.  

Clifton's GP has increased each year in the NHL starting at 19, then 31, 44, 60, and 78 last year.  He also had his best scoring season with career highs in goals (5) assists (18) and pts (23).  Those stats would have placed him 3rd in pts and assists and 2nd in goals on the Sabres.  This was accomplished on Boston's 3rd pair who zero PP time.  His 120 blocked shots would have been second behind Dahlin's 132.  Two not-great stats are his 60 PIMS (only Dahlin's 96 were more on the Sabres) and his 47 giveaways (but those are still less than Power and Dahlin).

Erik Johnson: Did you realize EJ only had 12 penalty minutes last season?  For a team as disciplined as the Sabres in not taking penalties (3rd least in the NHL), that's a nice addition.  Stillman had 13 in 18 games and Clague 24 in 33 games.  He also killed 128 minutes of penalties for the Avs (3rd on the Avs).  Johnson also lead the Avs in hits (121) was 3rd in blocks (102) and only had 17 giveaways for the season.  

All in all, we are getting 2 guys who hit, block shots, kill penalties and are defensively responsible.  

Edited July 3, 2023 by GASabresIUFAN