Pimlach Posted June 28, 2023 Report Posted June 28, 2023 On 6/28/2023 at 9:54 PM, Rasmus_ said: F**k trading a top end pick for a defensemen coming off a down season entering his near age 30 season. Hanifin; makes some sense. Giving up Olofsson and 13 for Pesce is pretty close to insane. Expand I cant say I know much about Pesce, I have no idea if he had a down season or not, but your take on him is different from all others I have read here. He is 28, that is prime age for a defensemen and unlike most forwards, defenseman do not drop off in their early 30's. Quote
Doohicksie Posted June 28, 2023 Report Posted June 28, 2023 On 6/28/2023 at 8:01 PM, GASabresIUFAN said: Hall was an inflection point. It was the straw that broke the camel's back on the TM build-out. Expand It was an inflection in the wrong direction. I was very optimistic at the time though. Quote
Huckleberry Posted June 28, 2023 Report Posted June 28, 2023 On 6/28/2023 at 10:07 PM, Pimlach said: I cant say I know much about Pesce, I have no idea if he had a down season or not, but your take on him is different from all others I have read here. He is 28, that is prime age for a defensemen and unlike most forwards, defenseman do not drop off in their early 30's. Expand Read somewhere Carolina wants Karlsson too - If this is the case I would imagine Pesce will got the other way. Quote
Doohicksie Posted June 28, 2023 Report Posted June 28, 2023 On 6/28/2023 at 9:22 PM, JohnC said: On 6/28/2023 at 7:23 PM, CallawaySabres said: I would say no.Casey and Krebs would be the first two major question marks in this department. Expand What do you base your judgment on? At the end of the season playoff run when Casey played on the top line, he played well The line not only didn't miss a beat without Tage but it excelled. With respect to Krebs, his solid play on the fourth line had no drop-off during that end of season pressurized run. Expand I fully expect Mitts to be a beast in the playoffs, especially if he's on the third line. I could see other teams' top lines neutralizing Tage's and Dylan's lines and the series being won from the third line. 1 Quote
Buffalonill Posted June 28, 2023 Report Posted June 28, 2023 On 6/28/2023 at 10:12 PM, Huckleberry said: Read somewhere Carolina wants Karlsson too - If this is the case I would imagine Pesce will got the other way. Expand I am shocked that they would trade for a guy that doesn't know how to play a Lick of defence On 6/28/2023 at 10:14 PM, Doohickie said: I fully expect Mitts to be a beast in the playoffs, especially if he's on the third line. I could see other teams' top lines neutralizing Tage's and Dylan's lines and the series being won from the third line. Expand I know you like Casey but I have a feeling he's gonna get traded for the help Quote
HumanSlinky39 Posted June 28, 2023 Report Posted June 28, 2023 On 6/28/2023 at 10:15 PM, Buffalonill said: I know you like Casey but I have a feeling he's gonna get traded for the help Expand I would've agreed with you before he had a terrific last couple of months. Time will tell if that was things finally clicking for Casey or an aberration, but if he keeps playing like that, he's a key piece. 2 1 Quote
Curt Posted June 28, 2023 Report Posted June 28, 2023 On 6/28/2023 at 9:54 PM, Rasmus_ said: F**k trading a top end pick for a defensemen coming off a down season entering his near age 30 season. Hanifin; makes some sense. Giving up Olofsson and 13 for Pesce is pretty close to insane. Expand He is entering his near age 30 season? Thats a fun way to say that he is entering his age 29 season. Quote
JohnC Posted June 28, 2023 Report Posted June 28, 2023 On 6/28/2023 at 10:14 PM, Doohickie said: I fully expect Mitts to be a beast in the playoffs, especially if he's on the third line. I could see other teams' top lines neutralizing Tage's and Dylan's lines and the series being won from the third line. Expand You intentionally or not bring up an intriguing issue relating to Mitts: Who are going to be his linemates? And you also make a good point that this team has accumulated enough talent to construct a good third line. This roster has gone from a thin to a deeper roster. Quote
Curt Posted June 28, 2023 Report Posted June 28, 2023 On 6/28/2023 at 10:12 PM, Huckleberry said: Read somewhere Carolina wants Karlsson too - If this is the case I would imagine Pesce will got the other way. Expand I doubt SJ would want Pesce as part of the trade. They are young to want picks and young guys. Quote
LGR4GM Posted June 28, 2023 Report Posted June 28, 2023 On 6/28/2023 at 10:44 PM, JohnC said: You intentionally or not bring up an intriguing issue relating to Mitts: Who are going to be his linemates? And you also make a good point that this team has accumulated enough talent to construct a good third line. This roster has gone from a thin to a deeper roster. Expand Greenway and Rousek Or Krebs Quote
JohnC Posted June 28, 2023 Report Posted June 28, 2023 On 6/28/2023 at 9:48 PM, LGR4GM said: I need an adult beverage. The draft stresses me out. Expand https://www.frootbat.com/product/4818200/Johnnie-Walker-The-Jane-Walker-Edition-Black-Label-12-Year-Old-Blended-Scotch-Whisky-750ml-Bottle/United-States?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIs8q5z4Xn_wIVjc7ICh37XwHLEAYYAyABEgK0d_D_BwE Sip it slowly. This is expensive stuff. He can have a medicinal effect and also give you a nice glow. 🍷 On 6/28/2023 at 10:47 PM, LGR4GM said: Greenway and Rousek Or Krebs Expand How about Krebs centering with Mitts and Greenway on the wings? Or how about Mitts/Krebs/Kulich? Quote
Doohicksie Posted June 28, 2023 Report Posted June 28, 2023 On 6/28/2023 at 10:15 PM, Buffalonill said: I know you like Casey but I have a feeling he's gonna get traded for the help Expand We shall see, my friend. Quote
The Jokeman Posted June 28, 2023 Report Posted June 28, 2023 On 6/28/2023 at 9:29 PM, LGR4GM said: Those are wildly different values. 13 13 and VO 13 and Savoie Expand That's my point. I have no issues #13 moved for a proven Dman. I like VO but would package him for a bonafide starting goalie that could start 50 games for us next year as we develop Levi. To me Savoie untouchable. On 6/28/2023 at 10:44 PM, Curt said: I doubt SJ would want Pesce as part of the trade. They are young to want picks and young guys. Expand They might take Pesce and then move him in a separate move. Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted June 28, 2023 Report Posted June 28, 2023 On 6/28/2023 at 10:11 PM, Doohickie said: It was an inflection in the wrong direction. I was very optimistic at the time though. Expand It was the Crossroads. The team made the wrong turn. 1 Quote
triumph_communes Posted June 29, 2023 Report Posted June 29, 2023 No prospect pick. Puts even more need on filling this gap 1 Quote
LGR4GM Posted June 29, 2023 Report Posted June 29, 2023 On 6/29/2023 at 1:02 AM, triumph_communes said: No prospect pick. Puts even more need on filling this gap Expand No prospect was filling the gap for 2-3 years. Helps gotta come from outside. Quote
sweetlou Posted June 29, 2023 Report Posted June 29, 2023 I think the move has to be Östlund/Rosen and 24 1st rd pick to get Pesce, and I am ok with it as long as an extension is already in place. Quote
Pimlach Posted June 29, 2023 Report Posted June 29, 2023 On 6/29/2023 at 11:09 AM, sweetlou said: I think the move has to be Östlund/Rosen and 24 1st rd pick to get Pesce, and I am ok with it as long as an extension is already in place. Expand Why is Pesce worth 2 firsts ? Is he that good or is this a Sabrespace reaction? Quote
JohnC Posted June 29, 2023 Report Posted June 29, 2023 On 6/29/2023 at 11:47 AM, Pimlach said: Why is Pesce worth 2 firsts ? Is he that good or is this a Sabrespace reaction? Expand It's more likely that this fixation on acquiring a player such as Pesce at any cost is a Sabrespace reaction. The GM has worked hard to re- stock the depleted talent pool in the system. He's not now going to go against everything he has done since taking over. One undercutting problem with Pesce is if he is acquired, it would make no sense to do so if an expensive contract wasn't in place or planned to be offered. Dahlin will soon sign a rich contract and Power will be in the short line waiting for a deal. Don't misinterpret what I'm saying. I would love to acquire Pesce. But I don't see KA acquiring him for what @sweetlousuggests (Ostulund/Rosen and 24 1st). It goes against how the GM has operated during his tenure. I wouldn't be surprised if KA makes a deal for a defenseman or two during this draft or before camp begins. But I'm more inclined to think that if he brings in blueline help, it won't be through a blockbuster deal where he has to give up major assets to do so. As I see it, it's more likely that the GM adds 4/5 caliber bluelines rather than a 3/4 blueliners to this unit that clearly needs a boost. A good topic of debate would be: Is it better to add two 4/5 blueliners or one high cost 3/4 blueliner to the roster? Which approach strengthens the team more? 2 Quote
North Buffalo Posted June 29, 2023 Report Posted June 29, 2023 Just wish KA could do two things at once put an offer out there good for only before second round for a right handed D... even if it means drafting a guy for another team and using it in the deal... get creative Quote
Doohicksie Posted June 29, 2023 Report Posted June 29, 2023 On 6/29/2023 at 12:25 PM, JohnC said: A good topic of debate would be: Is it better to add two 4/5 blueliners or one high cost 3/4 blueliner to the roster? Which approach strengthens the team more? Expand I really think the Sabres need a true second pairing Dman to play with Power. Joki might be an okay 2nd pair guy with another Dman but I'd rather see Power paired with a pure stay-at-home kinda guy, and Joki is more of a 2-way guy and joins the rush. 1 1 Quote
JohnC Posted June 29, 2023 Report Posted June 29, 2023 On 6/29/2023 at 12:34 PM, North Buffalo said: Just wish KA could do two things at once put an offer out there good for only before second round for a right handed D... even if it means drafting a guy for another team and using it in the deal... get creative Expand How do you know that he hasn't done what you suggested? Just because deals aren't completed don't mean he hasn't tried to make them. Quote
Doohicksie Posted June 29, 2023 Report Posted June 29, 2023 On 6/29/2023 at 12:34 PM, North Buffalo said: drafting a guy for another team Expand I've thought about this in the past; I don't think it will happen. I don't see another team telling the Sabres who their preferred pick is, and if the trade doesn't go through for whatever reason then Kevyn is stuck with another team's preference instead of is own. On 6/29/2023 at 12:38 PM, JohnC said: Just because deals aren't completed don't mean he hasn't tried to make them. Expand This is where the armchair GMs miss the boat I think. The trades they suggest might have already been proposed by Kevyn and rejected by the other team. Quote
North Buffalo Posted June 29, 2023 Report Posted June 29, 2023 On 6/29/2023 at 12:38 PM, JohnC said: How do you know that he hasn't done what you suggested? Just because deals aren't completed don't mean he hasn't tried to make them. Expand True but KA just doesnt seem like that kinda GM On 6/29/2023 at 12:38 PM, Doohickie said: I've thought about this in the past; I don't think it will happen. I don't see another team telling the Sabres who their preferred pick is, and if the trade doesn't go through for whatever reason then Kevyn is stuck with another team's preference instead of is own. Expand Deal in place before pick if that guy is there even let that team make the pick so you lock them in.. Quote
Doohicksie Posted June 29, 2023 Report Posted June 29, 2023 We all know Kevyn is very deliberate and sets parameters on his moves. If the parameter is exceeded he doesn't get caught up in the emotion of the deal and walks away. (He did this with Ullmark I think, and for what Ullmark had shown to date I think it was the correct move.) On 6/29/2023 at 12:41 PM, North Buffalo said: Deal in place before pick if that guy is there even let that team make the pick so you lock them in.. Expand Right... make the trade before the pick. But I can't see picking another team's preferred player and then executing the trade. 1 Quote
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