Thorner Posted June 6, 2023 Report Posted June 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, French Collection said: We don’t know Hart’s ceiling either. The cost control is a pretty big consideration. He’s better than Comrie or UPL so it’s an upgrade at the least. Goalie prime is much later so Hart could be a .915 goalie. Hellebuyck is so good though. Probably my faith in Levi that adds to my Hellebuyck preference. But as mentioned, I’d still be tickled pink to add Hart. We can compare/contrast the numbers to your Comries of the world but for me it basically ends at the fact Hart started more games last season than Comrie has in his career, spanning a decade. He’d be the first bonafide starter Adams brought in, in 3 years 2 minutes ago, Buffalonill said: carter hart sucks On the other hand... Quote
Pimlach Posted June 6, 2023 Report Posted June 6, 2023 3 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said: What would you pay for Hart? He's the right age for our group. Has shown he can survive behind a pours defense. Despite playing for crappy Philly teams, he has played 100 games the last 2 years and posted save% of .905 or better. He has 14 games of playoff experience and was solid with a 2.23 & a .926. He has one year at 3.95 and then is an RFA. Really sounds like a perfect value pickup. Question is how much? Our 13th and UPL? More? Our 13th? What you schmoking? Comrie and maybe a 2nd rounder. 1 Quote
DarthEbriate Posted June 6, 2023 Report Posted June 6, 2023 Hart is still an inconsistent young goalie. He has flashed some potential. If you believe the Sabres will continue to improve in puck possession over the next 2 seasons and that sub-24ers Dahlin, Muel, and Power (and Joker) are better than 27-28ers Sanheim, Risto, and DeAngelo (and Provorov was) and will continue to improve as they mature... then Hart could be a good bet for 2 years. Quote
Thorner Posted June 6, 2023 Report Posted June 6, 2023 4 minutes ago, Pimlach said: Our 13th? What you schmoking? Comrie and maybe a 2nd rounder. Why would the Flyers significantly downgrade for a 2nd rounder, though? Quote
Pimlach Posted June 6, 2023 Report Posted June 6, 2023 7 minutes ago, Thorny said: Why would the Flyers significantly downgrade for a 2nd rounder, though? Comrie is a body that has NHL experience. The 2nd rounder is a good enough offer and we have 2 of them. Offering 13OA is not necessary for Hart. 1 Quote
RochesterExpat Posted June 6, 2023 Report Posted June 6, 2023 Hart is not worth a first. He’s not that good. Is he an improvement over Comrie/UPL? Yes. Does being better than either of them make him worth trading a first? No. A 3rd, Weissbach and UPL. Or a 2nd and UPL. 1 Quote
Thorner Posted June 6, 2023 Report Posted June 6, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Pimlach said: Comrie is a body that has NHL experience. The 2nd rounder is a good enough offer and we have 2 of them. Offering 13OA is not necessary for Hart. Is this like a Market thing or do you assess that to be a fair deal ie the difference between Comrie and Hart is a 2nd round pick in your estimation? Edited June 6, 2023 by Thorny Quote
Taro T Posted June 6, 2023 Report Posted June 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Thorny said: I do. We did. No one agreed with me except dudacek and brawndo im good with that 🧐 Quote
Eleven Posted June 6, 2023 Report Posted June 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Taro T said: 🧐 Right? I think there are plenty of people who would be fine with 13 for Hellebyuck. 1 Quote
Thorner Posted June 6, 2023 Report Posted June 6, 2023 21 minutes ago, Eleven said: Right? I think there are plenty of people who would be fine with 13 for Hellebyuck. 1 Quote
Flashsabre Posted June 6, 2023 Report Posted June 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Buffalonill said: carter hart sucks Good insight😀 2 Quote
Night Train Posted June 7, 2023 Report Posted June 7, 2023 Philly trading Hart and replacing his spot with our old pick Cal Peterson ? He started a whole 9 games last year in LA. People think we need to give up a lot for that ? LOL. Quote
Scottysabres Posted June 7, 2023 Report Posted June 7, 2023 1 minute ago, Night Train said: Philly trading Hart and replacing his spot with our old pick Cal Peterson ? He started a whole 9 games last year in LA. People think we need to give up a lot for that ? LOL. What tickles me is the big hoopla some Sabres fans made when Peterson decided Buffalo wasn't for him. And Breire has gone full on tank for a rebuild via draft and prospect assets mode, a la Sabres 2013/14. He must have been given the green light to tear it down I'm guessing. Quote
nfreeman Posted June 7, 2023 Report Posted June 7, 2023 I am not OK with #13 or any of the Sabres' recent 1st-rounders for Hart, but I am OK with some combo of #2, UPL and a lesser prospect for him. 2 2 Quote
JohnC Posted June 7, 2023 Report Posted June 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, nfreeman said: I am not OK with #13 or any of the Sabres' recent 1st-rounders for Hart, but I am OK with some combo of #2, UPL and a lesser prospect for him. Giving up a first-round pick for Hart makes no sense to me. And I agree with the second part of your sentence indicating what you would give up for Hart. That would be more reasonable. 1 Quote
Flashsabre Posted June 7, 2023 Report Posted June 7, 2023 The guy that wrote the tweet saying Flyers are working on a Hart trade says he meant they are in the midst of talks and expects an actual deal around July 1st. He heard Toronto, Montreal and Ottawa as teams that were interested. For you Saros dreamers: 1 Quote
Stoner Posted June 7, 2023 Report Posted June 7, 2023 4 hours ago, LGR4GM said: No, the Sabres had the 7th worst ga. You're not wrong but custom is to enumerate the two categories differently. First in goals against = fewest goals allowed. 1 Quote
Eleven Posted June 7, 2023 Report Posted June 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Scottysabres said: What tickles me is the big hoopla some Sabres fans made when Peterson decided Buffalo wasn't for him. And Breire has gone full on tank for a rebuild via draft and prospect assets mode, a la Sabres 2013/14. He must have been given the green light to tear it down I'm guessing. There is a big difference between a tank and a rebuild. 1 1 Quote
Zamboni Posted June 7, 2023 Report Posted June 7, 2023 42 minutes ago, Eleven said: There is a big difference between a tank and a rebuild. Some like to use the two concepts interchangeably. 😂 Quote
Scottysabres Posted June 7, 2023 Report Posted June 7, 2023 43 minutes ago, Eleven said: There is a big difference between a tank and a rebuild. True Just now, Zamboni said: Some like to use the two concepts interchangeably. 😂 Yes, I am guilty 😜 But hey, I'm only a product of my hometown hockey environment? 😆 1 Quote
Pimlach Posted June 7, 2023 Report Posted June 7, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Thorny said: Is this like a Market thing or do you assess that to be a fair deal ie the difference between Comrie and Hart is a 2nd round pick in your estimation? Yes it is a market thing for me that says Hart not worth the 13OA in this upcoming draft, especially when we already have Levi and UPL. UPL could be pretty close to Hart by next year. Comrie would serve as a stop gap replacement, and a 2nd rounder is all I will give them for Hart. My name is not Murray. Or I might consider trading UPL and a 3rd for Hart. Lets see who gives up a #1 for Hart. Edited June 7, 2023 by Pimlach Quote
Eleven Posted June 7, 2023 Report Posted June 7, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Pimlach said: Hart not worth the 13OA in this upcoming draft Calling @LGR4GM. Liger to the Hart thread, please. Edited June 7, 2023 by Eleven Quote
Turbo44 Posted June 7, 2023 Report Posted June 7, 2023 9 minutes ago, Pimlach said: Yes it is a market thing for me that says Hart not worth the 13OA in this upcoming draft, especially when we already have Levi and UPL. UPL could be pretty close to Hart by next year. Comrie would serve as a stop gap replacement, and a 2nd rounder is all I will give them for Hart. My name is not Murray. Or I might consider trading UPL and a 3rd for Hart. Lets see who gives up a #1 for Hart. I don’t see Hart getting a mid first rounder for. An extended Connor H = yes ++ and also yes to the NAS goalie but no way to Hart Quote
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