Thorner Posted June 8, 2023 Report Posted June 8, 2023 Even contemplating these goalie adds is getting me excited for next season. I really think if we can manage to add a bonafide, capable veteran to split w/ Levi that we’ll be likely looking at finally breaking this everlasting drought. I’m nervous and curious about it but I think it’s going to be an incredible experience 1 Quote
Randall Flagg Posted June 8, 2023 Report Posted June 8, 2023 On 6/8/2023 at 8:58 PM, Thorny said: Lance “Chad” Lysowski has been skirting by for far too long Expand Chad at least has e rod trade and a couple other things that nobody else was saying. Lance takes the most cautious middle ground position on topics that others have already been talking about, but hints that he knows a guy who thinks so too On 6/8/2023 at 9:06 PM, Thorny said: Even contemplating these goalie adds is getting me excited for next season. I really think if we can manage to add a bonafide, capable veteran to split w/ Levi that we’ll be likely looking at finally breaking this everlasting drought. I’m nervous and curious about it but I think it’s going to be an incredible experience Expand I have grown up since the drought began, it is exciting to have no idea what the playoffs will feel like now that I'm basically a different person compared to the last time. Will be special to share with my sister. 1 Quote
Thorner Posted June 8, 2023 Report Posted June 8, 2023 On 6/8/2023 at 9:52 PM, Randall Flagg said: Chad at least has e rod trade and a couple other things that nobody else was saying. Lance takes the most cautious middle ground position on topics that others have already been talking about, but hints that he knows a guy who thinks so too I have grown up since the drought began, it is exciting to have no idea what the playoffs will feel like now that I'm basically a different person compared to the last time. Will be special to share with my sister. Expand Ya I agree Chad knows his stuff I mean, if that’s truly his real name Agree on the other thing, a third of my life has passed since Quote
thewookie1 Posted June 8, 2023 Report Posted June 8, 2023 On 6/8/2023 at 5:53 PM, JohnC said: Within this WGR link is an 18 minute segment with Marty Biron talking about the Sabre goaltending and the possible trade market. There are a number of options which include staying pat. My impression is that Marty isn't that enamored with Hart. At the end of the discussion Marty indicates he's more supportive of Comrie than UPL as a backup option. https://www.audacy.com/wgr550/authors/howard-and-jeremy-show Expand Enjoyed his use of chaos goalies versus structure goalies since it makes a lot of sense. Some goalies thrive in structure but suffer in chaos while other play well in structure but are better remembered for their play in chaos. 1 Quote
JohnC Posted June 8, 2023 Report Posted June 8, 2023 On 6/8/2023 at 11:01 PM, thewookie1 said: Enjoyed his use of chaos goalies versus structure goalies since it makes a lot of sense. Some goalies thrive in structure but suffer in chaos while other play well in structure but are better remembered for their play in chaos. Expand No matter whether a goalie's style of play is structured or more chaotic the goalie will benefit from better team defensive play. What's encouraging is that over the last 15-18 games the Sabres played a tighter game that resulted in an impressive run. Will the GM add another goalie to the mix? I don't know. Whether he does or does not, he still needs to upgrade the blueline unit. Considering what our cap situation is and the accumulation of assets the organization is in a good position to address that area of need. 1 Quote
Brawndo Posted June 9, 2023 Author Report Posted June 9, 2023 On 6/8/2023 at 10:47 PM, Thorny said: Ya I agree Chad knows his stuff I mean, if that’s truly his real name Agree on the other thing, a third of my life has passed since Expand I can confirm that is his real name. 3 Quote
Taro T Posted June 9, 2023 Report Posted June 9, 2023 On 6/8/2023 at 11:18 PM, JohnC said: No matter whether a goalie's style of play is structured or more chaotic the goalie will benefit from better team defensive play. What's encouraging is that over the last 15-18 games the Sabres played a tighter game that resulted in an impressive run. Will the GM add another goalie to the mix? I don't know. Whether he does or does not, he still needs to upgrade the blueline unit. Considering what our cap situation is and the accumulation of assets the organization is in a good position to address that area of need. Expand To a degree, yes. Still there are some goalies that are really good fits for bad teams - they can steal a game or 5 but they don't necessarily elevate their play when they're playing for a good team. Whether that be because they need to be "into" the action to get into their groove or they can't handle the pressure of not consistently seeing shots and then facing high danger shots because there had to be a breakdown for them to see any shots. Denis Herron being the poster boy from the past for that. Not coming up with a modern day equivalent ottomh, though there has to be some that fit that same bill. Quote
Thorner Posted June 9, 2023 Report Posted June 9, 2023 On 6/9/2023 at 12:15 AM, Brawndo said: I can confirm that is his real name. Expand I know lol 1 Quote
PerreaultForever Posted June 9, 2023 Report Posted June 9, 2023 On 6/8/2023 at 12:16 PM, Archie Lee said: I haven’t read every post in this thread, but my sense is that in general people would take Hart if the price was low. The price you suggest is not getting Hart. The price you suggest is next to nothing. If we can get Hart for next to nothing then I am fine with acquiring him. The cost will be a lot higher than what you suggest though. Expand Probably. Price of goalies is often quite low though and if Ullmark is on the block and Hellybuck is on the block the price(s) might come down. Briere's looking smarter so maybe it's only Murray that gives goalies away for nothing to tank 🙂 1 Quote
JohnC Posted June 9, 2023 Report Posted June 9, 2023 On 6/9/2023 at 12:35 AM, Taro T said: To a degree, yes. Still there are some goalies that are really good fits for bad teams - they can steal a game or 5 but they don't necessarily elevate their play when they're playing for a good team. Whether that be because they need to be "into" the action to get into their groove or they can't handle the pressure of not consistently seeing shots and then facing high danger shots because there had to be a breakdown for them to see any shots. Denis Herron being the poster boy from the past for that. Not coming up with a modern day equivalent ottomh, though there has to be some that fit that same bill. Expand Hasek may be a good example of what you are saying about a certain type of goalie being able to thrive even on a bad team. Marty Biron described it as goalies who are comfortable in chaotic situations compared to structured situations. My general point in my prior post is that with an upgraded blue line unit and a greater attention to defensive responsibilities the play of our netminders should be better, regardless of who is in net. As @LGR4GMhas pointed out on a couple of occasions the team demonstrated its ability to play a tighter style of game in the end of the season playoff run. Quote
sabremike Posted June 9, 2023 Report Posted June 9, 2023 On 6/9/2023 at 12:15 AM, Brawndo said: I can confirm that is his real name. Expand 1 Quote
Taro T Posted June 9, 2023 Report Posted June 9, 2023 On 6/9/2023 at 12:19 PM, JohnC said: Hasek may be a good example of what you are saying about a certain type of goalie being able to thrive even on a bad team. Marty Biron described it as goalies who are comfortable in chaotic situations compared to structured situations. My general point in my prior post is that with an upgraded blue line unit and a greater attention to defensive responsibilities the play of our netminders should be better, regardless of who is in net. As @LGR4GMhas pointed out on a couple of occasions the team demonstrated its ability to play a tighter style of game in the end of the season playoff run. Expand No he isn't. Because Hasek not only thrived on bad teams but very good teams as well. Herron was very good in doomed efforts for the Scouts and Pens. He pretty much single handedly got Montreal knocked out of the playoffs by Minnesota in '80. 1 Quote
Weave Posted June 9, 2023 Report Posted June 9, 2023 On 6/9/2023 at 6:14 PM, Taro T said: No he isn't. Because Hasek not only thrived on bad teams but very good teams as well. Herron was very good in doomed efforts for the Scouts and Pens. He pretty much single handedly got Montreal knocked out of the playoffs by Minnesota in '80. Expand Curtis Joseph. I seem to recall he thrived in high chance environments. 1 1 Quote
Taro T Posted June 9, 2023 Report Posted June 9, 2023 On 6/9/2023 at 6:20 PM, Weave said: Curtis Joseph. I seem to recall he thrived in high chance environments. Expand Potvin might fit as well. (Speaking of the Dog, brought up memories of the Cat.) But not sure that he ever played for any good teams. 1 Quote
PerreaultForever Posted June 9, 2023 Report Posted June 9, 2023 Briere is apparently asking for two 1sts so I don't see that happening. Quote
Weave Posted June 9, 2023 Report Posted June 9, 2023 On 6/9/2023 at 6:23 PM, Taro T said: Potvin might fit as well. (Speaking of the Dog, brought up memories of the Cat.) But not sure that he ever played for any good teams. Expand Actually, a great example of a goalie that thrived in chaos was probably ex Sabre Grant Fuhr. 1 Quote
kas23 Posted June 9, 2023 Report Posted June 9, 2023 On 6/9/2023 at 6:28 PM, PerreaultForever said: Briere is apparently asking for two 1sts so I don't see that happening. Expand Yeah, I think this piece of information we can all agree on to walk away from. Doesn’t happen much around here. 2 Quote
PerreaultForever Posted June 11, 2023 Report Posted June 11, 2023 Flyers also possibly trading Scott Laughton. Gritty 3C??? Hart and Laughton for ??? Quote
French Collection Posted June 11, 2023 Report Posted June 11, 2023 On 6/11/2023 at 6:31 PM, PerreaultForever said: Flyers also possibly trading Scott Laughton. Gritty 3C??? Hart and Laughton for ??? Expand Krebs looked as good as him at the Worlds. Laughton may be 4C in Buffalo. Quote
Brawndo Posted June 11, 2023 Author Report Posted June 11, 2023 On 6/11/2023 at 6:31 PM, PerreaultForever said: Flyers also possibly trading Scott Laughton. Gritty 3C??? Hart and Laughton for ??? Expand They have turned down late first round picks for Laughton alone nearing the TDL last year. 13 OA plus would be the minimum and probably very worth it Quote
thewookie1 Posted June 11, 2023 Report Posted June 11, 2023 Not all that interested in Laughton at this point; we have more pressing matters than a 4C Quote
Brawndo Posted June 11, 2023 Author Report Posted June 11, 2023 On 6/11/2023 at 9:33 PM, thewookie1 said: Not all that interested in Laughton at this point; we have more pressing matters than a 4C Expand He also plays LW and has better offensive skills than Zemgus. Imagine putting a finisher on the same line as Krebs, historically a playmaker and Okposo. Besides that, Hart would be the biggest part of the return. 1 Quote
Turbo44 Posted June 12, 2023 Report Posted June 12, 2023 I think harts ceiling is very similar maybe below Levi’s. I would rather sign a UFA costing no assets and trade UPL for a mid round pick then pay significant assets for Hart. An extended Hellebuyck is a different story - I’d pay what it takes for him. Quote
PerreaultForever Posted June 12, 2023 Report Posted June 12, 2023 On 6/11/2023 at 8:10 PM, French Collection said: Krebs looked as good as him at the Worlds. Laughton may be 4C in Buffalo. Expand Laughton's better than Krebs. Quote
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