Noah Östlund to play in in the SHL for the 2023-24 Season

[Flashsabre]

I think VO ends up on a Chicago or Arizona for a pick.

[Taro T]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

You're entitled to your opinion but I think you're wrong. In fact I think olofsson peaked.

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What did you decide an hour later to give the 'no' reaction to?

The agreement that facts should be used in discussions?

Olofsson not getting benched until after Greenway arrived?

The Sabres go to PP1 being 26, 72, 89, 53, & 24?

Or, playing nearly a full season with a bum wrist might actually lower a guy's career S%?

This could be good.  😉

[LGR4GM]

8 hours ago, Taro T said:

😄

What did you decide an hour later to give the 'no' reaction to?

The agreement that facts should be used in discussions?

Olofsson not getting benched until after Greenway arrived?

The Sabres go to PP1 being 26, 72, 89, 53, & 24?

Or, playing nearly a full season with a bum wrist might actually lower a guy's career S%?

This could be good.  😉

I disagree with your opinion and "but if" rhetoric on olofsson. It's fairly simply.

[LGR4GM]

10 hours ago, Taro T said:

😄

What did you decide an hour later to give the 'no' reaction to?

The agreement that facts should be used in discussions?

Olofsson not getting benched until after Greenway arrived?

The Sabres go to PP1 being 26, 72, 89, 53, & 24?

Or, playing nearly a full season with a bum wrist might actually lower a guy's career S%?

This could be good.  😉

The pp split was 78 v 37min so are right, unlike other posters such as Nfreeman, I actually admit my mistakes. That split is 78 mins where Olofsson was on the PP but didn't play with Tuch, Dahlin, Tage, and Skinner. What is interesting is there are 9 and 13min of play in which Cozens, Dahlin, and Olofsson were on the PP together. So I think what we are seeing is Dahlin getting double shifts and Cozens not being locked into pp1 but occasionally also moonlighting on pp2. Short version is Olofsson had more PP1 time than you want to give credit for but less than I gave credit for. 

What I did find interesting though is that in those 78minutes Olofsson was on the ice for 10gf but in the 37min he was on the ice for 6gf.

7 of VO's goals were PP goals. I think VO had 3 empty net goals but my source might be off by 1 (meaning he had 4). So that accounts for 10 of VO's 28 goals. That leaves us with his 18 even strength goals for Mr. Olofsson. He averaged 14:21min a night. Without elite passers, entry/recovery specialists, board battle winners, and otherwise way better hockey players, Olofsson won't be getting the chances he does in Buffalo. It was astonishing watching his goals and realizing how few involve him doing anything other than sitting in areas of the ice, and I mean sitting, and hoping that someone else does something. His shot is great but there isn't any more to give from his end IMPO. 

I reject your playing a full season with a bum wrist claim even though I see that regurgitated in many places. Olofsson was injured but as this article indicates https://www.expectedbuffalo.com/buffalo-sabres-victor-olofsson-evaluating-pre-and-post-injury-shooting-data/, the season you are claiming was alllll inury doesn't track with the data and I think that 13.8% is actually a really good number considering how many WIDE OPEN nets Victor gets to shoot at because he has elite passers like Dahlin feeding him. Everyone looks at the injury from Nov 2021 and says "well it bothered him all season and that is why we saw a dip" but he only shot 12.2% that season which is within a standard deviation of his average so... maybe it was more like he just shot what he normally does and didn't get enough shots off from good areas. That seems to be more likely as he had the same number of shots as this season. Could the wrist have impacted him? Yes but I think we are overblowing that part a bit. 

His worst sh% season is the previous year (2020) where he only does 10.1% and that is probably an outlier but it still counts just as his 17.4% is an outlier that counts. Again 13.8 is going to be the norm and as he turns 28, I think a decline is more likely than an increase. Olofsson was lucky to play on the 3rd line where even though he tanks just about every stat for every teammate, he still had a bunch of wide open nets and other quality chances (not everything was wide open cross ice passes but quite a few are). My issue really comes down to how Olofsson scores. He requires a high degree of setup and support from others. Without it, he slumps which is what happened after his 10goals in January. Teams adjusted to his preferred area and stopped those cross ice passes. 

Greenway may have given them the option to bench him (Greenway needs work too btw) but they should have benched him earlier. I don't think him getting benched at the end was ever in dispute but he still played 75 games so he really didn't get benched much and that was the most games he ever played in an NHL season. What I am saying is he didn't sit out some massive stretch of games which impacted his scoring much. He sat a few games and was already colder than deep space at that stage. 

In the end I stand by my statement. Victor Olofsson will not be a 30g scorer for Buffalo. I personally think if he were traded to another team it would be highly unlikely he is a 30g scorer there either, unless we use your "but if" scenario to get him playing #1 pp time with Connor McDavid or something. VO is a 22g scorer who needs pp time and exceedingly favorable matchups to succeed. 

[Huckleberry]

 

[SwampD]

15 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

 

Always a fan of the no move move.

[bob_sauve28]