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2023 Stanley Cup Finals: Florida vs Vegas


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39 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

Happy to say I hated the idea of losing on purpose.   I remember Nolan trying to win games and the FO trading away away his goaltending and anything else was was not nailed down.  

Hated the idea of losing on purpose and '13-'14 was an absolute horrible year.  Thought the tank was a horrible idea and said as soon as Darcy promoted "suffering" he should've been canned on the spot.

But had 2 choices in '14-'15, could've walked away from the team because 2 years of trying to support that ####show knowing management had actively stacked the deck against them would've been too much; or could hope that they actually managed to get the ####tiest team in the league that year and laugh at the joke they'd made of themselves because had they finished 29th there is no doubt that Murray would've selected Dach at 3.  Never rooted against them in the building.  (There were plenty of other games for them to lose over 82.)  But otherwise was ok with the losses because AT THAT POINT there was no point to meaningless wins; that team was built to lose and as stated earlier the options were hop out of the car before it hit the skid and walk away forever or steer into it and hope it only ended up a sideswipe of a Fiesta and not a full on head on collision with a semi.

Hopefully they never do that again.  Will walk away if they head INTO a season wanting to lose.  Taking a step back at the trade deadline because things aren't working is one thing; taking a step back at the trade deadline and then getting rid of everything else of value for 2 more years can't happen again.

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24 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Hated the idea of losing on purpose and '13-'14 was an absolute horrible year.  Thought the tank was a horrible idea and said as soon as Darcy promoted "suffering" he should've been canned on the spot.

But had 2 choices in '14-'15, could've walked away from the team because 2 years of trying to support that ####show knowing management had actively stacked the deck against them would've been too much; or could hope that they actually managed to get the ####tiest team in the league that year and laugh at the joke they'd made of themselves because had they finished 29th there is no doubt that Murray would've selected Dach at 3.  Never rooted against them in the building.  (There were plenty of other games for them to lose over 82.)  But otherwise was ok with the losses because AT THAT POINT there was no point to meaningless wins; that team was built to lose and as stated earlier the options were hop out of the car before it hit the skid and walk away forever or steer into it and hope it only ended up a sideswipe of a Fiesta and not a full on head on collision with a semi.

Hopefully they never do that again.  Will walk away if they head INTO a season wanting to lose.  Taking a step back at the trade deadline because things aren't working is one thing; taking a step back at the trade deadline and then getting rid of everything else of value for 2 more years can't happen again.

Is there an argument to be made that even with the tank years 7 or 8 years ago that culminated in the Jack draft, there was a pathway to some meaningful success after what was supposed to be strategic losing? What I'm basically asking is if the organization was run more astutely after the ignominiously decision to deliberately fail was there still an avenue to succeed in a reasonable period of time? Or is it simply that the approach that the organization took so contaminated and buried this franchise that it created a greater hole for this battered franchise to dig out of? 

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51 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Is there an argument to be made that even with the tank years 7 or 8 years ago that culminated in the Jack draft, there was a pathway to some meaningful success after what was supposed to be strategic losing? What I'm basically asking is if the organization was run more astutely after the ignominiously decision to deliberately fail was there still an avenue to succeed in a reasonable period of time? Or is it simply that the approach that the organization took so contaminated and buried this franchise that it created a greater hole for this battered franchise to dig out of? 

There absolutely was a path to success afterwords. The degree of difficulty was just made extreme through the scorched earth process, and viewing the decision to tank at all, as symptom, illustrates the idea that the minds that came up with that horrible strategy were unlikely to be very adept at using those same minds to rebuild it afterwords 

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38 minutes ago, Thorny said:

There absolutely was a path to success afterwords. The degree of difficulty was just made extreme through the scorched earth process, and viewing the decision to tank at all, as symptom, illustrates the idea that the minds that came up with that horrible strategy were unlikely to be very adept at using those same minds to rebuild it afterwords 

An incisive insight. You are who you are and demonstrate it by the way you perform. 

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12 minutes ago, Wyldnwoody44 said:

No love for the team that knocked off Boston/Toronto and Carolina?

That's a tall task. They made it look easier than expected. 

Wayne Gretzky famously said:

The NHL season is really 3 seasons: the regular season, the first three rounds, and the Stanley cup final 

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3 hours ago, Thorny said:

Well you’re a better fan than me 

I don't think it was the quality of fandom.  We all want the best for the franchise.  I think it was philosophy.  Those of us who did not "embrace the tank" had our own reasons.  Even so, the results would have been better than the worst-case scenario if management had been even remotely competent at finding players for the bottom half of the roster.

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