2023 Stanley Cup Finals: Florida vs Vegas

[Taro T]

39 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

Happy to say I hated the idea of losing on purpose.   I remember Nolan trying to win games and the FO trading away away his goaltending and anything else was was not nailed down.  

Hated the idea of losing on purpose and '13-'14 was an absolute horrible year.  Thought the tank was a horrible idea and said as soon as Darcy promoted "suffering" he should've been canned on the spot.

But had 2 choices in '14-'15, could've walked away from the team because 2 years of trying to support that ####show knowing management had actively stacked the deck against them would've been too much; or could hope that they actually managed to get the ####tiest team in the league that year and laugh at the joke they'd made of themselves because had they finished 29th there is no doubt that Murray would've selected Dach at 3.  Never rooted against them in the building.  (There were plenty of other games for them to lose over 82.)  But otherwise was ok with the losses because AT THAT POINT there was no point to meaningless wins; that team was built to lose and as stated earlier the options were hop out of the car before it hit the skid and walk away forever or steer into it and hope it only ended up a sideswipe of a Fiesta and not a full on head on collision with a semi.

Hopefully they never do that again.  Will walk away if they head INTO a season wanting to lose.  Taking a step back at the trade deadline because things aren't working is one thing; taking a step back at the trade deadline and then getting rid of everything else of value for 2 more years can't happen again.

[JohnC]

24 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Hated the idea of losing on purpose and '13-'14 was an absolute horrible year.  Thought the tank was a horrible idea and said as soon as Darcy promoted "suffering" he should've been canned on the spot.

But had 2 choices in '14-'15, could've walked away from the team because 2 years of trying to support that ####show knowing management had actively stacked the deck against them would've been too much; or could hope that they actually managed to get the ####tiest team in the league that year and laugh at the joke they'd made of themselves because had they finished 29th there is no doubt that Murray would've selected Dach at 3.  Never rooted against them in the building.  (There were plenty of other games for them to lose over 82.)  But otherwise was ok with the losses because AT THAT POINT there was no point to meaningless wins; that team was built to lose and as stated earlier the options were hop out of the car before it hit the skid and walk away forever or steer into it and hope it only ended up a sideswipe of a Fiesta and not a full on head on collision with a semi.

Hopefully they never do that again.  Will walk away if they head INTO a season wanting to lose.  Taking a step back at the trade deadline because things aren't working is one thing; taking a step back at the trade deadline and then getting rid of everything else of value for 2 more years can't happen again.

Is there an argument to be made that even with the tank years 7 or 8 years ago that culminated in the Jack draft, there was a pathway to some meaningful success after what was supposed to be strategic losing? What I'm basically asking is if the organization was run more astutely after the ignominiously decision to deliberately fail was there still an avenue to succeed in a reasonable period of time? Or is it simply that the approach that the organization took so contaminated and buried this franchise that it created a greater hole for this battered franchise to dig out of? 

[Thorner]

51 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Is there an argument to be made that even with the tank years 7 or 8 years ago that culminated in the Jack draft, there was a pathway to some meaningful success after what was supposed to be strategic losing? What I'm basically asking is if the organization was run more astutely after the ignominiously decision to deliberately fail was there still an avenue to succeed in a reasonable period of time? Or is it simply that the approach that the organization took so contaminated and buried this franchise that it created a greater hole for this battered franchise to dig out of? 

There absolutely was a path to success afterwords. The degree of difficulty was just made extreme through the scorched earth process, and viewing the decision to tank at all, as symptom, illustrates the idea that the minds that came up with that horrible strategy were unlikely to be very adept at using those same minds to rebuild it afterwords 

Edited June 3, 2023 by Thorny

[JohnC]

38 minutes ago, Thorny said:

There absolutely was a path to success afterwords. The degree of difficulty was just made extreme through the scorched earth process, and viewing the decision to tank at all, as symptom, illustrates the idea that the minds that came up with that horrible strategy were unlikely to be very adept at using those same minds to rebuild it afterwords 

An incisive insight. You are who you are and demonstrate it by the way you perform. 

[Thorner]

Tempted to say 6 and play it easy but I’ll go with my gut: Knights in 5

[Wyldnwoody44]

7 minutes ago, Thorny said:

Tempted to say 6 and play it easy but I’ll go with my gut: Knights in 5

No love for the team that knocked off Boston/Toronto and Carolina?

That's a tall task. They made it look easier than expected. 

[Scottysabres]

Panthers have the goaltending. Florida in 5

[Thorner]

12 minutes ago, Wyldnwoody44 said:

No love for the team that knocked off Boston/Toronto and Carolina?

That's a tall task. They made it look easier than expected. 

Wayne Gretzky famously said:

The NHL season is really 3 seasons: the regular season, the first three rounds, and the Stanley cup final 

[Thorner]

Eichel tells Friedman his dad ripped him a new one after Winnipeg game 1

LOL love it

[Marvin]

3 hours ago, Thorny said:

Well you’re a better fan than me 

I don't think it was the quality of fandom.  We all want the best for the franchise.  I think it was philosophy.  Those of us who did not "embrace the tank" had our own reasons.  Even so, the results would have been better than the worst-case scenario if management had been even remotely competent at finding players for the bottom half of the roster.

[Marvin]

I would ordinarily pick the Panthers, but I think the long layoff really hurts them. Las Vegas in 6.

[...]

So, we really need to update our game-day presentation.

[Thorner]

Just now, ... said:

So, we really need to update our game-day presentation.

I wasn’t even hyped for this series and now im doing lines 

That’s a joke * 

[Thorner]

A former Sabre in the starting line up for the knights in the Stanley cup final. Never thought I’d see it.

congrats, will carrier 

[Thorner]

Eichel buzzing 

[Thorner]

Good play by Lundell

Eric Staal scores first. Wow, didn’t think he’d be the guy

Bob dialed in early 

Edited June 4, 2023 by Thorny

[rickshaw]

Well, my $10 bet last September on nhl cup winner futures bet in Vegas is still alive . I picked Florida. 11-1

[Thorner]

How did that not go? How? 

That’s the best save ever 

[Quint]

Montour hasn't been a factor in a long while...watch Montour score now.

[Thorner]

Theodore with an absolute clinic 

[...]

This game is not disappointing.

[Thorner]

Friedman in the intermission says the Jets will NOT be rebuilding 

haha

[Scottysabres]

5 minutes ago, Thorny said:

Friedman in the intermission says the Jets will NOT be rebuilding 

haha

I just read a couple of the Jets fans thoughts on his comments in their HF Winni board, let the chuckles commence 🤣 

[Thorner]

Just now, Scottysabres said:

I just read a couple of the Jets fans thoughts on his comments in their HF Winni board, let the chuckles commence 🤣 

 

[Thorner]

The Duclair line is at times causing problems for the Eichel line, to my eye 

Vegas bottom 6 is DOMINANT, man