Sabres Announce that Matthew Savoie has been assigned to Rochester

[GoPuckYourself]

  On 5/22/2023 at 11:34 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

I have a hunch Ostland may get moved at some point. Not because he's going back to Sweden per se, but because the Sabres and Amerks look to be loaded with forwards. Out of sight, out of mind.

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I wouldn't mind seeing that for a solid Dman

 

[Flashsabre]

  On 5/22/2023 at 11:34 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

I have a hunch Ostland may get moved at some point. Not because he's going back to Sweden per se, but because the Sabres and Amerks look to be loaded with forwards. Out of sight, out of mind.

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That would be a mistake in my mind. He has a ton of Sebastian Aho traits to his game.

[Pimlach]

  On 5/22/2023 at 11:34 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

I have a hunch Ostland may get moved at some point. Not because he's going back to Sweden per se, but because the Sabres and Amerks look to be loaded with forwards. Out of sight, out of mind.

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Could be.  Before any trade, I would want to do a real evaluation of him with his peer group to really understand were he ranks.  Summer development camp is good.  Rochester would be even better for him.  The coaching staff there is doing good work.  

[Buffalonill]

  On 5/23/2023 at 12:41 AM, Flashsabre said:

That would be a mistake in my mind. He has a ton of Sebastian Aho traits to his game.

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We cant keep everyone and you want to keep rosen too ? You have to give up one the top prospects  to get a good dman 

[Flashsabre]

  On 5/23/2023 at 1:55 AM, Buffalonill said:

We cant keep everyone and you want to keep rosen too ? You have to give up one the top prospects  to get a good dman 

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Why? Sign Dumba or Severson and give up no assets.

Who is this Dman you are moving Östlund for?

[Buffalonill]

  On 5/23/2023 at 3:23 AM, Flashsabre said:

Why? Sign Dumba or Severson and give up no assets.

Who is this Dman you are moving Östlund for?

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 If only it was that easy to sign those free agents lol.  Have we not learned that signing free agents is a death sentence let's not do that

[Flashsabre]

  On 5/23/2023 at 12:51 PM, Buffalonill said:

 If only it was that easy to sign those free agents lol.  Have we not learned that signing free agents is a death sentence let's not do that

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So then who are you trading for?

[Buffalonill]

  On 5/23/2023 at 1:09 PM, Flashsabre said:

So then who are you trading for?

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 I have no idea all I'm saying is we can't keep all these prospects I know they're promising but that's the point of good drafting you have to give up a good prospect.

 

[Brawndo]

I doubt it happens, but the Oilers and Rangers are close to the cap and they have RFAs in Bouchard and Miller that need to be signed. 
 

Those are the type of d man I would imagine would cost Östlund or Rosen. 

[Flashsabre]

  On 5/23/2023 at 1:57 PM, Brawndo said:

I doubt it happens, but the Oilers and Rangers are close to the cap and they have RFAs in Bouchard and Miller that need to be signed. 
 

Those are the type of d man I would imagine would cost Östlund or Rosen. 

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If those type of guys were actually available I would have no problem giving up Rosen or Östlund for them. Young, long term pieces.

[Randall Flagg]

Is Bouchard the type of player we want? Seems like another offensive guy. Maybe he's good enough that we don't care about that?

[Derrico]

  On 5/23/2023 at 1:57 PM, Brawndo said:

I doubt it happens, but the Oilers and Rangers are close to the cap and they have RFAs in Bouchard and Miller that need to be signed. 
 

Those are the type of d man I would imagine would cost Östlund or Rosen. 

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I would love to get Miller.

Odds of either being available is probably slimmer then the suggested UFA guys signing with Buff.  I would rather a big move like Miller and would give up a Rosen or maybe Östlund but unlikely it happens. 

[French Collection]

  On 5/23/2023 at 2:32 PM, Randall Flagg said:

Is Bouchard the type of player we want? Seems like another offensive guy. Maybe he's good enough that we don't care about that?

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Not the guy I would want. He’s young enough to improve but he is an offense first Dman being groomed for PP1 duty on the Oilers.

I’ve seen him get burned often defensively during these playoffs.

We’ve seen what happens when Mule is hurt, we need another Mule.

I still hope for Graves as a UFA.

[RochesterExpat]

  On 5/23/2023 at 3:03 PM, French Collection said:

We’ve seen what happens when Mule is hurt, we need another Mule.

 

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Novikov in 2 years.

Unfortunately, this team doesn't have 2 years.

[shrader]

I hope he does play. Getting two of the three first round picks into the AHL playoffs already? I like it. 

[Doohicksie]

  On 5/23/2023 at 4:10 PM, RochesterExpat said:

Novikov in 2 years.

Unfortunately, this team doesn't have 2 years.

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Which, if you're convinced is the case, you can acquire a war horse in his 30s, knowing he doesn't have to be a long term piece. 

[RochesterExpat]

  On 5/23/2023 at 4:28 PM, Doohickie said:

Which, if you're convinced is the case, you can acquire a war horse in his 30s, knowing he doesn't have to be a long term piece. 

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And this is what I'd like to see Buffalo do this offseason.

Specifically, go full rental and trade for Hellebuyck and DeMelo from Winnipeg. I don't need to go into a description of why Hellebuyck is a good goalie, but DeMelo is an overlooked RHD who gets a lot of unnecessary flak from his fanbase because he's boring and doesn't run up points. From the stats nerds perspective, he's a solid D-man. He's at least partly responsible for unlocking Morrisey. He's also considered a likeably guy and a leader on the team and he's on a $3m contract for 23-24 so Buffalo isn't stuck long-term if he doesn't work out. Extending him shouldn't be difficult either if Buffalo is truly a playoff team and he's partnering with a former 1OA pick. If you bring him back for 3 more seasons, that lets you bring in players like Novikov on the third line while still under their ELCs and gives you some buffer in the event of injury.

More importantly he is a puck mover and should work within Granato's system. We can talk advanced stats all day on players, but not every player plays a game that will work with every team. DeMelo's play should translate just fine to being the right-hand man to Power and letting Power open his game up more.

If the Jets are willing to listen to offers on Hellebuyck, I'm sure they're willing to listen on DeMelo. I don't know what the cost would be, but it will be easier to acquire him over the summer than trying to get him in February.

[French Collection]

  On 5/23/2023 at 4:50 PM, RochesterExpat said:

And this is what I'd like to see Buffalo do this offseason.

Specifically, go full rental and trade for Hellebuyck and DeMelo from Winnipeg. I don't need to go into a description of why Hellebuyck is a good goalie, but DeMelo is an overlooked RHD who gets a lot of unnecessary flak from his fanbase because he's boring and doesn't run up points. From the stats nerds perspective, he's a solid D-man. He's at least partly responsible for unlocking Morrisey. He's also considered a likeably guy and a leader on the team and he's on a $3m contract for 23-24 so Buffalo isn't stuck long-term if he doesn't work out. Extending him shouldn't be difficult either if Buffalo is truly a playoff team and he's partnering with a former 1OA pick. If you bring him back for 3 more seasons, that lets you bring in players like Novikov on the third line while still under their ELCs and gives you some buffer in the event of injury.

More importantly he is a puck mover and should work within Granato's system. We can talk advanced stats all day on players, but not every player plays a game that will work with every team. DeMelo's play should translate just fine to being the right-hand man to Power and letting Power open his game up more.

If the Jets are willing to listen to offers on Hellebuyck, I'm sure they're willing to listen on DeMelo. I don't know what the cost would be, but it will be easier to acquire him over the summer than trying to get him in February.

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He would fit that 4-5D description. He is from southern Ontario, much closer to home than Winnipeg.

He was good in Ottawa as well, just playing too high up in the lineup on a bad team.

 

[LGR4GM]

  On 5/22/2023 at 11:34 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

I have a hunch Ostland may get moved at some point. Not because he's going back to Sweden per se, but because the Sabres and Amerks look to be loaded with forwards. Out of sight, out of mind.

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The ranked Östlund above Kulich last year, I don't think they move away from him so quickly. 

[PromoTheRobot]

  On 5/23/2023 at 5:24 PM, LGR4GM said:

The ranked Östlund above Kulich last year, I don't think they move away from him so quickly. 

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Obviously, they drafted Östlund at 16. But he's got some catching up to do.

[LGR4GM]

  On 5/23/2023 at 5:38 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

Obviously, they drafted Östlund at 16. But he's got some catching up to do.

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Why? Also how would we be able to say that? 

[PromoTheRobot]

  On 5/23/2023 at 5:44 PM, LGR4GM said:

Why? Also how would we be able to say that? 

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I don't fully get your questions. What I'm saying is Kulich is doing something in the Sabres system right now while Östlund is not. Not meant to disparage Östlund. I'm just saying people are seeing what Kulich can bring now.

[LGR4GM]

  On 5/23/2023 at 5:47 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

I don't fully get your questions. What I'm saying is Kulich is doing something in the Sabres system right now while Östlund is not. Not meant to disparage Östlund. I'm just saying people are seeing what Kulich can bring now.

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But you claim that Östlund has catching up to do, I don't understand how we could make that determination when he hasn't played on NA ice yet. I had Kulich above Östlund last year in my rankings but the Sabres didn't, and I don't think they do now. They are probably even in their eyes but Östlund was quite good in the Allsvenskan this season. 

[PromoTheRobot]

  On 5/23/2023 at 5:51 PM, LGR4GM said:

But you claim that Östlund has catching up to do, I don't understand how we could make that determination when he hasn't played on NA ice yet. I had Kulich above Östlund last year in my rankings but the Sabres didn't, and I don't think they do now. They are probably even in their eyes but Östlund was quite good in the Allsvenskan this season. 

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Catching up in the sense of doing stuff within in the Sabres system. We all see Kulich on fire in the AHL playoffs. Östlund has played in the Swedish AHL. We don't see it. There's no buzz. He's been injured so he's not doing anything right now. That's all I'm saying. Östlund might be incredible, but we haven't seen anything yet.

[B-U-F-F-A-L-O]

  On 5/21/2023 at 5:24 PM, Pimlach said:

It would be fun to see him play.  

This off season will be one of the most interesting with Savoie and Kulich fighting to make the roster.  I do not recall the Sabres ever having a stream of good prospects like this.   This group is even bigger and maybe more impactful than the Ryan Miller Amerks group.  

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It’s way bigger if you count the five rookies from last year and by all means you should….

it’s just a crazy long list of talent going all the way to pick 13 this year…. Were definitely getting another good forward to add to the group. Then we are going to get a bunch of defensemen to shore our defensemen prospects group.