Potential Players available summer 2023

[North Buffalo]

Thought itd be a good discussion

Saw this on TSN

Garrioch: DeBrincat has ‘no inclination’ of signing with Senators, could be moved at draft 

https://www.tsn.ca/1.1945897

[Flashsabre]

Looking at team that might want to make changes that have Guys with one year left on their deals.

Calgary has Hanifin

Washington has Tom Wilson

Also teams in cap hell who get knocked out  early. If Vegas doesn’t win they have some tough decisions. Would Shea Theodore be available?

If Leafs lose to TB then all bets are off with them. Dubas will be out and who knows what the next guy would want to do. It will be hard for them to keep Nylander.

Edited April 16, 2023 by Flashsabre

[Randall Flagg]

Tom wilson?? 

[SDS]

18 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:

Looking at team that might want to make changes that have Guys with one year left on their deals.

Calgary has Hanifin

Washington has Tom Wilson

Also teams in cap hell who get knocked out  early. If Vegas doesn’t win they have some tough decisions. Would Shea Theodore be available?

If Leafs lose to TB then all bets are off with them. Dubas will be out and who knows what the next guy would want to do. It will be hard for them to keep Nylander.

I think there’s no way Adams looks at players with one year left on their deal if you’re talking about future UFAs. 

[tom webster]

10 hours ago, Randall Flagg said:

Tom wilson?? 

It’s interesting to me that Wilson, Compher and Hanifan are names that I keep hearing being mentioned in connection with Buffalo. It might not end up being the actual player, but everyone seems to be targeting three skill sets; 1) defensive first center with some skill, 2) rugged winger with skill, 3) top 4 defenseman.

[BUFtoNCfan]

24 minutes ago, tom webster said:

It’s interesting to me that Wilson, Compher and Hanifan are names that I keep hearing being mentioned in connection with Buffalo. It might not end up being the actual player, but everyone seems to be targeting three skill sets; 1) defensive first center with some skill, 2) rugged winger with skill, 3) top 4 defenseman.

Just curious, where have you heard or read that Compher, Wilson, Hanifan are being considered for Buffalo?

[tom webster]

Just now, BUFtoNCfan said:

Just curious, where have you heard or read that Compher, Wilson, Hanifan are being considered for Buffalo?

Compher and Hanifan have been mentioned by multiple people who cover the team. I know both were part of Chad’s off-season plan. Chad takes some heat but he has a couple of pretty good sources.

Wilson was rumored on two less than reliable sources but when I asked, it wasn’t dismissed as strenuously as I would have expected.

The Sabres are in an interesting position, they believe they need a couple of certain things upfront, but they also know they could run it back with players and prospects they already have. It will be an interesting off-season.

[DarthEbriate]

12 hours ago, North Buffalo said:

Thought itd be a good discussion

Saw this on TSN

Garrioch: DeBrincat has ‘no inclination’ of signing with Senators, could be moved at draft 

https://www.tsn.ca/1.1945897

I don't want DeBrincat (the Sabres have enough young scoring talent), but OTT gave up a top-10, a 2nd and 3rd for him. I wonder if he goes the Kotkaniemi 1-yr offer sheet route where even if the Senators were to match, they know that he's walking at the first opportunity and end up having to trade him to get what they can.

[Buffalonill]

I hated Patrick Kaleta when he became dirty .

I definitely dont want tom Wilson hes a 1 year suspension waiting to happen 

[LTS]

1 hour ago, tom webster said:

Compher and Hanifan have been mentioned by multiple people who cover the team. I know both were part of Chad’s off-season plan. Chad takes some heat but he has a couple of pretty good sources.

Wilson was rumored on two less than reliable sources but when I asked, it wasn’t dismissed as strenuously as I would have expected.

The Sabres are in an interesting position, they believe they need a couple of certain things upfront, but they also know they could run it back with players and prospects they already have. It will be an interesting off-season.

Those would be 3 very good additions to the team.  Wilson brings some controversy but I think he's cut down on the actions that lead to suspensions. He still takes a good amount of penalties.. but in looking at the numbers Rasmus Dahlin took nearly as many this year as Wilson has in the past few seasons. 

And Wilson puts up points.. that cannot be overlooked.

[sabrefanday1]

I trhink I'd rather try to get Marcus Foligno back instead of Wilson...Wilson agitates but is not a bigtime fighter...we need someone who can really fight when needed (once the othe rteam knows you have that guy you will not see other teams so willing to take liberties with the Sabres). Not so worried about how many points Marcus would put up although he is certrainly no liability and a good leader in the room. So sorry we ever gave him up...    

[Zamboni]

25 minutes ago, sabrefanday1 said:

I trhink I'd rather try to get Marcus Foligno back instead of Wilson...Wilson agitates but is not a bigtime fighter...we need someone who can really fight when needed (once the othe rteam knows you have that guy you will not see other teams so willing to take liberties with the Sabres). Not so worried about how many points Marcus would put up although he is certrainly no liability and a good leader in the room. So sorry we ever gave him up...    

I look at Marcus like this …

31 years old. He’ll be 32 before next season. 
He gets you roughly 25 pts a year. 
Fights are so rare in the todays NHL, that getting a 32 year old who’s major asset is fighting and checking is a wasted roster spot. 
Because he plays a hard game, he’s often injured. And at 32 that’s gonna get worse and longer IR time.

Hard pass.

[GASabresIUFAN]

UFAs

Goalies

Varlamov – age 35 -  Record:  11-9-2   - 2.70 gaa & .913 Save % - 2022 Cap - $5 mill ($4 mill salary)

Andersen – age 33 -  Record:  21-11-1   - 2.48 gaa & .903 Save % - 2022 Cap - $4.5 mill ($5 mill salary)

Talbot – age 35 -  Record:  17-14-1   - 2.93 gaa & .898 Save % - 2022 Cap - $3.67 mill ($3 mill salary)

Hill – age 27 -  Record:  16-7-0   - 2.50 gaa & .914 Save % - 2022 Cap – $2.175 mill ($2.676 salary)

Raanta – age 34 – Record: 19-3-4  –  2.23 gaa & .910 Save % - 2022 Cap - $2 mill ($2.25 salary)

Korpisalo – age 30 – Record: 18-14-1 – 2.87 gaa & .914 Save % - 2022 Cap - $1.3 mill (same)

Jarry – age 28 – Record 24-13-2 – 2.90 gaa & .910 Save % - 2022 Cap – $3.5 mill ($4.5 mill salary)

 

Top 4 D

Dumba – age 28 – RD - points 4-10-14  +/-  -8   21:16 TOI  Cap $6 (5.2 salary)

Orlov – age 31 -LD/RD – points 7-29-36  +/- 12   22:33 TOI  Cap $5.1 (3.3 salary)

Gavrikov – age 27 – LD – points 6-13-19 +/- 4   21:58 TOI Cap $2.8 (4.2 salary)

Other D

Mayfield – age 30 – RD - points 6-18-24  +/-  8   21:01 TOI  Cap $1.45 (2 salary)

Dumoulin – age 31 -LD – points 1-24-25  +/-  -4   20:38 TOI  Cap $4.1 (same)

Severson – age 28 – RD – points 7-26-33 +/- 9   19:57 TOI Cap $4.17 (5.1 salary)

Graves – age 28 – LD – points 8-18-26  +/- 34   19:56 TOI Cap $3.17 (4 salary)

Hamonic – age 32 – RD – points 6-15-21 +/- -5  18:33 TOI Cap $3 (3.25 salary)

Gudas – age 33 – RD – points 2-15-17  +/- 14  17:21 TOI Cap $2.5 (same)

Schenn – age 33 – RD – points 4-18-22  +/- 8 16:21 TOI Cap $850K (900K)

Soucy – age 28 – LD/RD – points 3-13-16  +/- 18 16:17 TOI  Cap $2.75 (3.5 salary)

 

2-Way Centers

Compher – age 28 – C/RW - points 17-35-52  +/-  8   20:32 TOI  Cap $3.5 (same)

Haula – age 32 -C/LW – points 14-27-41  +/-  13   16:37 TOI  Cap $2.375 (2.5 salary)

ROR excluded to protect Sabrespace's emotional health.

Edited April 16, 2023 by GASabresIUFAN

[thewookie1]

7 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

UFAs

Goalies

Varlamov – age 35 -  Record:  11-9-2   - 2.70 gaa & .913 Save % - 2022 Cap - $5 mill ($4 mill salary)

Andersen – age 33 -  Record:  21-11-1   - 2.48 gaa & .903 Save % - 2022 Cap - $4.5 mill ($5 mill salary)

Talbot – age 35 -  Record:  17-14-1   - 2.93 gaa & .898 Save % - 2022 Cap - $3.67 mill ($3 mill salary)

Hill – age 27 -  Record:  16-7-0   - 2.50 gaa & .914 Save % - 2022 Cap – $2.175 mill ($2.676 salary)

Raanta – age 34 – Record: 19-3-4  –  2.23 gaa & .910 Save % - 2022 Cap - $2 mill ($2.25 salary)

Korpisalo – age 30 – Record: 18-14-1 – 2.87 gaa & .914 Save % - 2022 Cap - $1.3 mill (same)

Jarry – age 28 – Record 24-13-2 – 2.90 gaa & .910 Save % - 2022 Cap – $3.5 mill ($4.5 mill salary)

 

Top 4 D

Dumba – age 28 – RD - points 4-10-14  +/-  -8   21:16 TOI  Cap $6 (5.2 salary)

Orlov – age 31 -LD/RD – points 7-29-36  +/- 12   22:33 TOI  Cap $5.1 (3.3 salary)

Gavrikov – age 27 – LD – points 6-13-19 +/- 4   21:58 TOI Cap $2.8 (4.2 salary)

Other D

Mayfield – age 30 – RD - points 6-18-24  +/-  8   21:01 TOI  Cap $1.45 (2 salary)

Dumoulin – age 31 -LD – points 1-24-25  +/-  -4   20:38 TOI  Cap $541 (same)

Severson – age 28 – RD – points 7-26-33 +/- 9   19:57 TOI Cap $4.17 (5.1 salary)

Graves – age 28 – LD – points 8-18-26  +/- 34   19:56 TOI Cap $3.17 (4 salary)

Hamonic – age 32 – RD – points 6-15-21 +/- -5  18:33 TOI Cap $3 (3.25 salary)

Gudas – age 33 – RD – points 2-15-17  +/- 14  17:21 TOI Cap $2.5 (same)

Schenn – age 33 – RD – points 4-18-22  +/- 8 16:21 TOI Cap $850K (900K)

Soucy – age 28 – LD/RD – points 3-13-16  +/- 18 16:17 TOI  Cap $2.75 (3.5 salary)

 

2-Way Centers

Compher – age 28 – C/RW - points 17-35-52  +/-  8   20:32 TOI  Cap $3.5 (same)

Haula – age 32 -C/LW – points 14-27-41  +/-  13   16:37 TOI  Cap $2.375 (2.5 salary)

ROR excluded for emotional health issues.

Dumolin was making under minimum wage over a season lol? $541 🙂

The only Top 4 guy I like there is Orlov, Dumba is far too hot/cold while Gavrikov gives me big fish in small pond vibes. Plus the latter two will want similar money to Orlov without giving any of the experience.

 

2 way centers come down to cost. 3.5mil is my max for a 3C. I’d welcome ROR back if he wants to return. Kind of a prodigal son situation.

Id avoid Raanta due to his injury history and proclivity to stir up trouble in the locker room.

Jerry feels too much like UPL but older. Inconsistent with flashes of great play and somewhat frequent gaffes. I do like his mask though.

[GASabresIUFAN]

21 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

I’d welcome ROR back if he wants to return. Kind of a prodigal son situation.

100 time no.

As to Jarry he has 206 games under his belt with a career 2.65 and a .909 save%.  in the last 2 seasons he's played 58 and 47 games.  Also unlike UPL has was also very good in the AHL.  This guys has never had a below 900 save % in the NHL or AHL.  UPL has never had above a 900 save % except two small samples in brief callups.  UPL's NHL numbers are 46 games, 3.44 save % and a .898 save %.

Jarry and UPL aren't comparable.  One is a good goalie and one isn't.  If the Sabre had Jarry last season we'd have challenged TB for 3rd in the Atlantic.

Edited April 16, 2023 by GASabresIUFAN

[kas23]

1 hour ago, thewookie1 said:

Dumolin was making under minimum wage over a season lol? $541 🙂

The only Top 4 guy I like there is Orlov, Dumba is far too hot/cold while Gavrikov gives me big fish in small pond vibes. Plus the latter two will want similar money to Orlov without giving any of the experience.

 

2 way centers come down to cost. 3.5mil is my max for a 3C. I’d welcome ROR back if he wants to return. Kind of a prodigal son situation.

Id avoid Raanta due to his injury history and proclivity to stir up trouble in the locker room.

Jerry feels too much like UPL but older. Inconsistent with flashes of great play and somewhat frequent gaffes. I do like his mask though.

ROR is a complete no go for me. Not that I dislike him as a player or a person, but his history just wouldn’t work. He has never been a guy who just settles in for the best of the team. There’s a reason he keeps being passed around. Plus, he previously lost his love for hockey in Buffalo and I’m not sure we know the whole story behind his inability to change the Sabres culture for the better. 

[Randall Flagg]

2 minutes ago, kas23 said:

ROR is a complete no go for me. Not that I dislike him as a player or a person, but his history just wouldn’t work. He has never been a guy who just settles in for the best of the team. There’s a reason he keeps being passed around. Plus, he previously lost his love for hockey in Buffalo and I’m not sure we know the whole story behind his inability to change the Sabres culture for the better. 

"keeps being passed around"

*older, upcoming UFA on a bottom 10 team that is sinking and selling off assets, so they trade him to a contender, after he gets them their franchise's first cup and wore the C for like 4 seasons*

alright man

 

[Buffalonill]

17 minutes ago, kas23 said:

ROR is a complete no go for me. Not that I dislike him as a player or a person, but his history just wouldn’t work. He has never been a guy who just settles in for the best of the team. There’s a reason he keeps being passed around. Plus, he previously lost his love for hockey in Buffalo and I’m not sure we know the whole story behind his inability to change the Sabres culture for the better. 

 And he quit on the team .

 

[Archie Lee]

1 hour ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

100 time no.

As to Jarry he has 206 games under his belt with a career 2.65 and a .909 save%.  in the last 2 seasons he's played 58 and 47 games.  Also unlike UPL has was also very good in the AHL.  This guys has never had a below 900 save % in the NHL or AHL.  UPL has never had above a 900 save % except two small samples in brief callups.  UPL's NHL numbers are 46 games, 3.44 save % and a .898 save %.

Jarry and UPL aren't comparable.  One is a good goalie and one isn't.  If the Sabre had Jarry last season we'd have challenged TB for 3rd in the Atlantic.

I like Jarry.  His career #'s are actually a bit better than you indicate.  I think .909 was this year's save % and his career mark is actually .914. 

I think that Jarry as our starter for a couple of years with Levi as the back-up who takes over in 25-26 would be a good situation.  I don't think it is realistic though.  I don't think the Sabres will be in the market for a goalie.  If they are it will likely be for only a 1-2 year term.  Jarry is young and will likely want and getter a longer term deal from someone.  There also might be a team (Carolina?) that offers a better situation in general for goalies.    

Also, while I do think Jarry would be a likely upgrade over UPL/Comrie, I'm not sure if it would be as big of an upgrade as their individual #'s suggest.  In my view, there is clearly a direct connection between how well teams play defence and goalie statistics.  Elite goalies like Saros can overcome bad defence and still produce elite stats. According to Moneypuck, in Jarry's 4 years as an NHL regular the Pens have been 2nd, 9th, 9th and 18th in expected goals against. The Sabres were 26th in expected goals against this year.  I don't think Jarry is good enough to overcome how poorly we defend. 

[Flashsabre]

2 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

UFAs

Goalies

Varlamov – age 35 -  Record:  11-9-2   - 2.70 gaa & .913 Save % - 2022 Cap - $5 mill ($4 mill salary)

Andersen – age 33 -  Record:  21-11-1   - 2.48 gaa & .903 Save % - 2022 Cap - $4.5 mill ($5 mill salary)

Talbot – age 35 -  Record:  17-14-1   - 2.93 gaa & .898 Save % - 2022 Cap - $3.67 mill ($3 mill salary)

Hill – age 27 -  Record:  16-7-0   - 2.50 gaa & .914 Save % - 2022 Cap – $2.175 mill ($2.676 salary)

Raanta – age 34 – Record: 19-3-4  –  2.23 gaa & .910 Save % - 2022 Cap - $2 mill ($2.25 salary)

Korpisalo – age 30 – Record: 18-14-1 – 2.87 gaa & .914 Save % - 2022 Cap - $1.3 mill (same)

Jarry – age 28 – Record 24-13-2 – 2.90 gaa & .910 Save % - 2022 Cap – $3.5 mill ($4.5 mill salary)

 

Top 4 D

Dumba – age 28 – RD - points 4-10-14  +/-  -8   21:16 TOI  Cap $6 (5.2 salary)

Orlov – age 31 -LD/RD – points 7-29-36  +/- 12   22:33 TOI  Cap $5.1 (3.3 salary)

Gavrikov – age 27 – LD – points 6-13-19 +/- 4   21:58 TOI Cap $2.8 (4.2 salary)

Other D

Mayfield – age 30 – RD - points 6-18-24  +/-  8   21:01 TOI  Cap $1.45 (2 salary)

Dumoulin – age 31 -LD – points 1-24-25  +/-  -4   20:38 TOI  Cap $4.1 (same)

Severson – age 28 – RD – points 7-26-33 +/- 9   19:57 TOI Cap $4.17 (5.1 salary)

Graves – age 28 – LD – points 8-18-26  +/- 34   19:56 TOI Cap $3.17 (4 salary)

Hamonic – age 32 – RD – points 6-15-21 +/- -5  18:33 TOI Cap $3 (3.25 salary)

Gudas – age 33 – RD – points 2-15-17  +/- 14  17:21 TOI Cap $2.5 (same)

Schenn – age 33 – RD – points 4-18-22  +/- 8 16:21 TOI Cap $850K (900K)

Soucy – age 28 – LD/RD – points 3-13-16  +/- 18 16:17 TOI  Cap $2.75 (3.5 salary)

 

2-Way Centers

Compher – age 28 – C/RW - points 17-35-52  +/-  8   20:32 TOI  Cap $3.5 (same)

Haula – age 32 -C/LW – points 14-27-41  +/-  13   16:37 TOI  Cap $2.375 (2.5 salary)

ROR excluded to protect Sabrespace's emotional health.

I would add Clifton as a D option.

[GASabresIUFAN]

9 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:

I would add Clifton as a D option.

Be my guest.

[PerreaultForever]

4 hours ago, Flashsabre said:

I would add Clifton as a D option.

He is the best value available and, unless we add someone else, becomes our #4 D man. 

If you prefer, you can maybe trade for Gryzelyk. There's talk the Bruins might try to move him in order to sign Orlov for cap reasons. 

I wonder if the Bruins would sell off Gryz for cheap if you took Reilly off their hands in the same deal? Two mobile D men, one good, one meh (depth) for next to nothing? Might be possible. 

[Taro T]

8 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

He is the best value available and, unless we add someone else, becomes our #4 D man. 

If you prefer, you can maybe trade for Gryzelyk. There's talk the Bruins might try to move him in order to sign Orlov for cap reasons. 

I wonder if the Bruins would sell off Gryz for cheap if you took Reilly off their hands in the same deal? Two mobile D men, one good, one meh (depth) for next to nothing? Might be possible. 

Like the idea of Grzelcyk but doubt Adams would accept Riley as part of the deal.  He seems to be pretty adamant about avoiding grabbing guys that don't want to be here.  And, considering he cleared waivers this year, expect he'd start the year in Ra-cha-cha were he in the fold and can't see him happy about it.

[PerreaultForever]

1 hour ago, Taro T said:

Like the idea of Grzelcyk but doubt Adams would accept Riley as part of the deal.  He seems to be pretty adamant about avoiding grabbing guys that don't want to be here.  And, considering he cleared waivers this year, expect he'd start the year in Ra-cha-cha were he in the fold and can't see him happy about it.

I wouldn't care. He'd be on the last year of his contract so he's either motivated to show the league he still has something to offer and he'll grab the opportunity or he will sulk and get buried in Rochester. Doesn't matter. If it gets you Gryzelyk cheap I'd do it. 

[Taro T]

1 minute ago, PerreaultForever said:

I wouldn't care. He'd be on the last year of his contract so he's either motivated to show the league he still has something to offer and he'll grab the opportunity or he will sulk and get buried in Rochester. Doesn't matter. If it gets you Gryzelyk cheap I'd do it. 

But you not caring doesn't really mean a whole lot.  Adams caring would.