Thank you Victor Olofsson

[dudacek]

10 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

 

Why do people think other teams will want a guy we don't want? They have scouts and watch video too you know. 

Fit, of course - roster and cap.

We just traded for Jordan Greenway because the Wild have a lot of players offering a similar skill set and we don’t.

It’s not that Victor is a borderline NHLer, it’s just that the Sabres have Tuch, Skinner and Mittelstadt who can play that role better, Quinn and Peterka we’re trying to develop, and Savoie and Kulich coming.

The Calgary Flames, for example, have one winger who scored more than 18 goals. Same with the Nashville Predators.

There will be teams interested in Victor’s 27 goals and his shot on the PP. The only question is what will they give up.

 

[Pimlach]

11 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

He isn't going to retain anything.  How about this we trade VO to Montreal for Edmondson

I would like that. 

[DarthEbriate]

VO started the season on the top line, but Thompson was ice cold (new contract signed pressure? new baby lack of sleep?) and Tuch was on fire. The top line was reunited and...  VO went to the perfect spot in the lineup for him: 3W. There, he provided excellent secondary scoring (75% of his goals at EV, only 7 PP goals), particularly in January when the 7s (Mitts-Jost-VO) got hot and Olofsson netted all the goals for them. And the rest of the story: terrible defensively. When the team struggled most in its own end it was VO and Bryson as puck after puck went into the Sabres net. 

There are scoring-deficient teams that will employ a much stouter overall defensive structure where VO could absolutely thrive (as a 2W/3W and PP specialist). Find that team and make the trade happen. Preferably out West so we don't notice as much when he turns into a 30G scorer for a couple seasons.

I agree, thank you Victor! Not too shabby for a 7th round pick. I dig your dancing tunes.

[Pimlach]

11 hours ago, Andrew Amerk said:

30 goal scorers drafted in the 7th round don’t grow on trees. 

Fixed.  
 

I don’t understand all the negativity towards VO.  Some fans are pretty harsh.  Sure, he’s a one dimensional winger, I see his +/- and his fancy stats.  But he brings scoring productivity that many teams need.  The Sabres have had similar players that were well liked and respected.  Maybe all the losing causes this?  

We have the luxury to move him and replace him with a more rounded player.  That’s a good situation.  

[DarthEbriate]

There are tons of veterans who bounce around -- they won't be part of your core but you give them a 2-year deal as a scoring boost. With that shot, VO can make himself a really nice career. Someday you'll sitting around remembering some guys and be like "Oh! Goalofsson! Remember that guy?" And you'll look up his stats and see that he scored 400 NHL points and you're like... "That can't be right." But he had 20+ goals/season for 10 seasons for 6 different teams and got to 402 points and you'll owe your friend a beer.

[PerreaultForever]

2 hours ago, dudacek said:

The Calgary Flames, for example, have one winger who scored more than 18 goals. Same with the Nashville Predators.

There will be teams interested in Victor’s 27 goals and his shot on the PP. The only question is what will they give up.

 

I don't see it. You've listed 2 teams up there with a philosophy completely antithetical to what VO delivers. If Calgary fires Sutter maybe, but otherwise I can't see Trots or Sutter looking at VO and thinking ya, that's what we need a soft undersized lazy goal scorer. 

maybe the Ducks or Chicago if they're done tanking and want a temp. while their prospects develop. I still don't see us getting much in return though. I could be wrong. If KA gets a 2nd or more I will give him a big thumbs up. 

[Dr. Who]

4 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

I don't see it. You've listed 2 teams up there with a philosophy completely antithetical to what VO delivers. If Calgary fires Sutter maybe, but otherwise I can't see Trots or Sutter looking at VO and thinking ya, that's what we need a soft undersized lazy goal scorer. 

maybe the Ducks or Chicago if they're done tanking and want a temp. while their prospects develop. I still don't see us getting much in return though. I could be wrong. If KA gets a 2nd or more I will give him a big thumbs up. 

Well, that's too bad because VO would be a nice part to add into a package to go get Noah Hanifin. Still think the goal scoring thing has more value than you are allowing.

[PerreaultForever]

4 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Well, that's too bad because VO would be a nice part to add into a package to go get Noah Hanifin. Still think the goal scoring thing has more value than you are allowing.

Thrown in to a package deal might be a viable option. I could see that happening somewhere if KA is going to be really aggressive, but I do not think he will be. I think the general tone of the off season will be follow the plan and stay the course. Not my plan, but I don't think KA will change it. 

[Dr. Who]

9 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Thrown in to a package deal might be a viable option. I could see that happening somewhere if KA is going to be really aggressive, but I do not think he will be. I think the general tone of the off season will be follow the plan and stay the course. Not my plan, but I don't think KA will change it. 

Yes, I believe we had this conversation earlier. I expect he will be more aggressive, so I'll be disappointed if your scenario proves true.

[klos1963]

15 hours ago, Doohickie said:

Moving him to give playing time to younger players will likely yield an increase in +/- team-wide.

I think Kevyn moves him the same way he moved Risto and will get an unexpectedly good return.

I would think a guy coming off a 28 goal season, and with 3 20 goal seasons in 4 years should get an 'expectedly' good return.

[B-U-F-F-A-L-O]

17 hours ago, Contempt said:

I appreciate that we can wave 28 goals away so dismissively.

But can we?

I would only trade Ollie for something good….

Say Ollie and Comrie and a low pick for a true, big and strong and fierce stay-at-home D-man with character….

I think both Ollie and Comrie have value…. Comrie is still young and not bad and goal scoring is extremely hard to come by. Extremely hard. Ollie is also a character guy.
Thinking it through, If we were to trade him it probably is for his sake more than ours and the return won’t be that big similar to Asplund but not that low of course….

Summers coming, we have work to do…. We probably don’t get that #1 goalie….I hope we do though… And that we get really good.

We probably don’t get a #3 center either…. But that #4 D-man, a perfect fit guy, is a must. So is making Stillman the #7 D-man. He will stay play over 40 games as the 7th so that’s not too big of a demotion.

 

 

[Dr. Who]

17 minutes ago, B-U-F-F-A-L-O said:

But can we?

I would only trade Ollie for something good….

Say Ollie and Comrie and a low pick for a true, big and strong and fierce stay-at-home D-man with character….

I think both Ollie and Comrie have value…. Comrie is still young and not bad and goal scoring is extremely hard to come by. Extremely hard. Ollie is also a character guy.
Thinking it through, If we were to trade him it probably is for his sake more than ours and the return won’t be that big similar to Asplund but not that low of course….

Summers coming, we have work to do…. We probably don’t get that #1 goalie….I hope we do though… And that we get really good.

We probably don’t get a #3 center either…. But that #4 D-man, a perfect fit guy, is a must. So is making Stillman the #7 D-man. He will stay play over 40 games as the 7th so that’s not too big of a demotion.

 

 

Middlestadt is a #3 center. We are flush with forward talent. VO is the most expendable piece with trade value so he should be used to help get that #4 D.

[rickshaw]

VO cannot be on this team next year imo. Yes he almost scored 30 but his going over a calendar month wo scoring isn’t acceptable. 
 

How many of his goals didn’t matter? How many extra points could we have had had he scored during that horrendous month he didn’t score? He’s just too inconsistent and cannot be relied upon sadly. Good kid, but a change is needed. 
 

If our pipeline wasn’t stocked up I’d keep him. 

[JohnC]

5 hours ago, dudacek said:

Fit, of course - roster and cap.

We just traded for Jordan Greenway because the Wild have a lot of players offering a similar skill set and we don’t.

It’s not that Victor is a borderline NHLer, it’s just that the Sabres have Tuch, Skinner and Mittelstadt who can play that role better, Quinn and Peterka we’re trying to develop, and Savoie and Kulich coming.

The Calgary Flames, for example, have one winger who scored more than 18 goals. Same with the Nashville Predators.

There will be teams interested in Victor’s 27 goals and his shot on the PP. The only question is what will they give up.

 

How about Olofsson, UPL and a #1 pick to Nashville for Saros? 

[PerreaultForever]

1 hour ago, JohnC said:

How about Olofsson, UPL and a #1 pick to Nashville for Saros? 

You looking to get Trotz fired before he even starts? 

[Huckleberry]

2 hours ago, JohnC said:

How about Olofsson, UPL and a #1 pick to Nashville for Saros? 

I think getting saros is pipedream, why would Nashville even do this.    

[JohnC]

38 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

I think getting saros is pipedream, why would Nashville even do this.    

There was a period of time in the season when Nashville was struggling. There were some reports that they were considering some form of rebuilding. Saros would have been one of their major assets that they could parlay. As it turned out the team got itself together and did better in the second half. So, trading Saros is less likely now. That's doesn't mean that it couldn't happen because their long time GM recently retired. New GMs are more likely to be less committed to players that they didn't select. 

[Huckleberry]

13 minutes ago, JohnC said:

There was a period of time in the season when Nashville was struggling. There were some reports that they were considering some form of rebuilding. Saros would have been one of their major assets that they could parlay. As it turned out the team got itself together and did better in the second half. So, trading Saros is less likely now. That's doesn't mean that it couldn't happen because their long time GM recently retired. New GMs are more likely to be less committed to players that they didn't select. 

True but I rather have a goalie that can be a 1A/1B option for Levi for years to come.   Saros is a goalie that should get a back up for next 6 years.  
If you go Saros route, you will probably have to trade Levi or him in 2 years time anyway.

Edited April 16, 2023 by Huckleberry

[JohnC]

9 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

True but I rather have a goalie that can be a 1A/1B option for Levi for years to come.   Saros is a goalie that should get a back up for next 6 years.  
If you go Saros route, you will probably have to trade Levi or him in 2 years time anyway.

Saros signed a $20 M contract in 21. So, Saros would more likely be dealt in a couple of years when his contract is close to expiring. In the meantime, a combo of Saros and Levi should provide this team the level of goaltending that would make this emerging team a serious team rather quickly. Although @GASabresIUFAN would be ecstatic with this scenario, I don't think it is in alignment with what KA plans on doing. I think that the GM will stick with the goalies that he has in his own system. 

[Huckleberry]

5 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Saros signed a $20 M contract in 21. So, Saros would more likely be dealt in a couple of years when his contract is close to expiring. In the meantime, a combo of Saros and Levi should provide this team the level of goaltending that would make this emerging team a serious team rather quickly. Although @GASabresIUFAN would be ecstatic with this scenario, I don't think it is in alignment with what KA plans on doing. I think that the GM will stick with the goalies that he has in his own system. 

Nah I keep sticking with Frederik Anderses or Anti Raanta as options  in UFA.

[JohnC]

Just now, Huckleberry said:

Nah I keep sticking with Frederik Anderses or Anti Raanta as options  in UFA.

I just believe that KA has a higher opinion on Comrie and UPL than most here have. We'll just have to wait and see. On the other hand, I see the GM being more aggressive in pursuing blueliners this offseason. His line of thinking may be that by improving the team defense you will be improving the play of our goalies. 

[Huckleberry]

3 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I just believe that KA has a higher opinion on Comrie and UPL than most here have. We'll just have to wait and see. On the other hand, I see the GM being more aggressive in pursuing blueliners this offseason. His line of thinking may be that by improving the team defense you will be improving the play of our goalies. 

I think KA follows his analytic department very well, and in this case he should let go of UPL much easier than Comrie.

[Mr Mellow]

If KA can get a decent return, then I say let him go to make room for the youngsters. But he does have some value that I would not be so quick to dismiss. His defense is mediocre on a good day but the guy can score some goals for you, especially when he's on a streak. I'd miss watching him on the PP, but he's a frustrating player on the backcheck. Perhaps Kulich will make me forget about him because I also doubt that VO will be back.

[Rasmus_]

If there is a trade that makes sense, then make it, otherwise, he fills a role.  I have no issue with him.  He has his warts, but every team has hollow offensive players.  I mean look at Zegras.  He has no fundamental defensive upside, he's all high octane offense.

[Buffalonill]

11 hours ago, Pimlach said:

I would like that. 

 I wouldn't .. Send him out West please lol