Arizona Coyotes sue City of Phoenix

[JohnC]

2 hours ago, klos1963 said:

When I moved away in 1999, the new Peace Bridge project was just passed. I was thinking that it would be nice to be around for that. It's been 24 years.  Crazy.

You don't have to worry about a Peace Bridge project in the future because it has been extinguished in the ash heaps of righteous and unyielding principles. What's the saying: Something from nothing is nothing. There was a time in that interminable debate where something was ready to get done. Then each side hardened their positions and ran out the clock. There were those on one side who wanted a more costly and grander "signature" bridge while on the other side were the nihilists who wanted nothing, despite the fact that the properties along Busti Ave. were mostly bought out by the government. A good compromise would have been a more functional companion bridge to what currently exists. That's why I have no complaints with the new stadium getting built in Orchard Park and the process involved. It got done!

[Taro T]

2 hours ago, JohnC said:

You don't have to worry about a Peace Bridge project in the future because it has been extinguished in the ash heaps of righteous and unyielding principles. What's the saying: Something from nothing is nothing. There was a time in that interminable debate where something was ready to get done. Then each side hardened their positions and ran out the clock. There were those on one side who wanted a more costly and grander "signature" bridge while on the other side were the nihilists who wanted nothing, despite the fact that the properties along Busti Ave. were mostly bought out by the government. A good compromise would have been a more functional companion bridge to what currently exists. That's why I have no complaints with the new stadium getting built in Orchard Park and the process involved. It got done!

Which is what both governments approved to pay for.  But the local idiots ran out the clock on making anything happen.

[JohnC]

49 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Which is what both governments approved to pay for.  But the local idiots ran out the clock on making anything happen.

It's just maddening how absurd it ended up. I place the majority of blame on the nihilists who were fanatically determined to stop anything from getting down. 

There is a DC developer, Douglas Jemal, who has established an operation in western NY, where he has been involved in many regional projects. There isn't a developer in the country who is more accommodating and willing to modify his proposals in order to get his projects approved and moved on. His signature project was the Seneca One Building. When he entered the picture on that project that building was one of the tallest buildings, outside of NYC, in the state. It was mostly vacant for at least twenty years. Before he got involved there were a number of attempts to invest in the building and bring it back to life. None of them worked out. The nihilists fought him before he finally won approval and got started on his multi-year and multi-faceted task. Not only is that building filled, but the surrounding area is very active and economically vibrant. 

He also took over the stalled Statler project after Croce died. He won approval for his plans. Slowly but steadily, the project of restoring a building that had been dormant for a quarter century, is being revived. People like him are doers. The best sentiment to express to this impressive developer is a community expressed: Thank you!

[Taro T]

43 minutes ago, JohnC said:

It's just maddening how absurd it ended up. I place the majority of blame on the nihilists who were fanatically determined to stop anything from getting down. 

There is a DC developer, Douglas Jemal, who has established an operation in western NY, where he has been involved in many regional projects. There isn't a developer in the country who is more accommodating and willing to modify his proposals in order to get his projects approved and moved on. His signature project was the Seneca One Building. When he entered the picture on that project that building was one of the tallest buildings, outside of NYC, in the state. It was mostly vacant for at least twenty years. Before he got involved there were a number of attempts to invest in the building and bring it back to life. None of them worked out. The nihilists fought him before he finally won approval and got started on his multi-year and multi-faceted task. Not only is that building filled, but the surrounding area is very active and economically vibrant. 

He also took over the stalled Statler project after Croce died. He won approval for his plans. Slowly but steadily, the project of restoring a building that had been dormant for a quarter century, is being revived. People like him are doers. The best sentiment to express to this impressive developer is a community expressed: Thank you!

Didn't follow that one that closely, but always thought it was the Signature Bridge affecionados that torpedoed the Peace Bridge upgrade.

[Weave]

I’m trying to figure out who the nihilists were in this case.  

[Brawndo]

On 4/6/2023 at 12:34 PM, spndnchz said:

Or start a team in Utah. We have a few players to send?

There might be something to this, the Owner of the Utah Jazz met with Bettman for Dinner a few weeks ago and Salt Lake City is a leading contender for the 2030 Winter Olympics which would bring a new arena per Marek and Friedman. 

[Contempt]

1 minute ago, Brawndo said:

There might be something to this, the Owner of the Utah Jazz met with Bettman for Dinner a few weeks ago and Salt Lake City is a leading contender for the 2030 Winter Olympics which would bring a new arena per Marek and Friedman. 

Salt Lake City needs to worry about the lake drying up more than they need to worry about getting the Olympics or a hockey team.

[Porous Five Hole]

22 minutes ago, Contempt said:

Salt Lake City needs to worry about the lake drying up more than they need to worry about getting the Olympics or a hockey team.

You’re right. Here is some light reading on the matter, if anyone is interested. 
 

https://www.dogonews.com/2023/2/13/utahs-great-salt-lake-could-dry-up-in-five-years

 

[JohnC]

4 hours ago, Taro T said:

Didn't follow that one that closely, but always thought it was the Signature Bridge affecionados that torpedoed the Peace Bridge upgrade.

Both sides of the issue were at fault. The signature bridge faction wanted their more expensive rendition of a bridge, and the environmentalist and anti-pollution faction didn't want more cars in their area. The companion bridge and a more functional and scaled down bridge would have been a good compromise. The bottom line is the interested parties couldn't come up with a compromise that was suitable. And as you noted, the clock ran out.