Buffalo should fire Granato

[steveoat87]

1 hour ago, Stormcloudmember66 said:

I do not think DG needs to be fired. His PK coach and defensive coach should definitely be let go for someone with a lot of experience. DG is great with the kids and getting the most out of his players. I honestly think the season is getting to the kids and they have run out of gas. Also the pressure of being so close to a playoff spot did them in as well. As they get older, that will help. We do need to swap out a few players with more defensive style specialists and some more sandpaper so we can forecheck hard and more physical. Now in 2 years if we are still in the same spot, they need to clean house. 

I agree.  I also think Kevin Adams made a big mistake not bringing in reinforcements for his team before the trade deadline.  He was afraid of mortgaging the future.  However, creating bad morale and a hopeless sense like he has now is mortgaging the future.  I remember before the trade deadline last year people were talking about the Yankees not mortgaging their future in order to get immediate help.  Michael Kay said he didn't understand this way of thinking.  In his mind a prospect is just a prospect -- a hope for the future.  Very few prospects make it to become successful major league players.  If you find the right major league player, you should definitely trade prospects because it will help your team now and in the future.  

Edited March 22, 2023 by steveoat87

[Claude Balls]

I'd fire Adams before Granato. He's made more blunders.

[Norcal]

Boo this man 

[JustOneParade]

I wouldn't fire DG yet but I would insist on a makeover of his staff and much more emphasis on everyone defending in their own end.

What's so, so disturbing to me is that they are looking just like the Sabre teams of the final 6-8 weeks of the Bylsma, Housley and Krueger eras. Though unlike the others I don't believe they've quit on Granato. Someone upthread used the term 'unwatchable'.  Bingo. I've turned the broadcast off four of the past six games. And I had only done that one other time this year because it sickened me to see the Leafs' fans celebrating in the KBC.

[Quint]

Fire Pegula instead.

[steveoat87]

I too find them unwatchable.  They look defeated and uncompetitive.  Is that youth or coaching?  I find myself spending more time watching The Knicks, who seems really competitive and looking forward to baseball beginning.   A shame.

Edited March 22, 2023 by steveoat87

[TageMVP]

Wouldn't be a good idea 

It's clear and obvious he's been the best coach since Ruff. Firing coaches too early or after 1 or 2 years rarely works. Tage, Tuch, Skinner and Dahlin are all having their best years. You fire him now, you risk losing their confidence in this organizations competency. Trades could be demanded by some of the players in the near future  

If you were to fire him now, then the entire team has to re-learn a completely different system. Mid-season. The players are already upset about this recent stretch. Tage was livid and checking everything, fighting, I thought he played a great game yesterday. You fire Granato and Adams could lose this team mentally for good. There's no way this would go over well in the locker room 

The better answer is for Granato to let the assistant coaches go, if he does that, it proves he has the guts necessary to do what needs to be done. He knows this team has problems 

He deserves at the very least the entirety of next year. Not saying he's a Jon Cooper, and their teams were and are in completely different stages, but Tampa Bay got swept by Columbus and he did not get fired. Some people wanted it. Then look what happened. Coaches need the appropriate amount of time. 2 years or less isn't enough 

[Night Train]

 UFA's will not consider coming here this off-season unless something changes. (GM,Coaches). Anyone that has a no trade clause will keep it, with Buffalo in mind. 

 Too much weight will be put on new faces to be a savior of sorts. 

 Results speak volumes. Giving up 7 goals at home in back to back games needs no explanation.  This team is free falling off a cliff, at present.

 The concession stands should start selling apple turnovers, with their team in mind. I have never seen more lazy mistakes by a hockey team. 

[Crusader1969]

2 hours ago, Carmel Corn said:

Maybe some changes with the assistant coaches would be in order.  I'd like to see some that have stronger NHL coaching experience on their resumes.

This is what I would expect to happen. 

7 minutes ago, Night Train said:

 UFA's will not consider coming here this off-season unless something changes. (GM,Coaches). Anyone that has a no trade clause will keep it, with Buffalo in mind. 

 Too much weight will be put on new faces to be a savior of sorts. 

 Results speak volumes. Giving up 7 goals at home in back to back games needs no explanation.  This team is free falling off a cliff, at present.

 The concession stands should start selling apple turnovers, with their team in mind. I have never seen more lazy mistakes by a hockey team. 

I agree.  Also prized NCAA draft picks will snub them to go play for their home town teams!!  Oh wait 

[Carmel Corn]

2 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

It has been apparent? What that you don't like Granato, yes it has been apparent. 

We have a major goaltending problem. Idk how you fix that with coaching. 

Maybe someone like Arturs Irbe could help again....or someone like him.

[LGR4GM]

1 hour ago, Flashsabre said:

Lol this line sounds like a 10 year old wrote it“He sucks at coaching”

I understand your anger, we are all there.  Firing Granato isn’t the solution right now but there needs to be a serious meeting in the off-season with management.

1) The goaltending needs to be addressed

2) The D corps needs to be upgraded

3) look at the assistant coaches. Special teams are a mess.

4) a commitment to a structured defensive system that lowers high danger chances against

Granato has helped develop the young talent after the Krueger disaster. He has brought Skinner back to life.  Being asked to cobble together wins with 3 goalies, two of which are drowning and one who is 42 and on a limited schedule, is too much.

[Norcal]

22 minutes ago, Night Train said:

 UFA's will not consider coming here this off-season unless something changes. (GM,Coaches). Anyone that has a no trade clause will keep it, with Buffalo in mind. 

 Too much weight will be put on new faces to be a savior of sorts. 

 Results speak volumes. Giving up 7 goals at home in back to back games needs no explanation.  This team is free falling off a cliff, at present.

 The concession stands should start selling apple turnovers, with their team in mind. I have never seen more lazy mistakes by a hockey team. 

Nah. Young team playing like a young team.

New assistants should help but Meatballs isn't going anywhere yet. 

The next few years will bare the fruit of these games and the lessons this young team can learn from them.

[SwampD]

1 hour ago, Randall Flagg said:

There is a spectrum of reasonable and unreasonable takes for any topic. But yours isn't where you would peg it, in some idealized "middle ground."

There are serious questions and worries about the way this team is disintegrating, and a completely green staff which has no answers and has no history to give confidence they can find them.

It's impossible to say this with any certainty. Maybe they would be even worse with a different staff.

32 minutes ago, steveoat87 said:

I too find them unwatchable.  They look defeated and uncompetitive.  Is that youth or coaching?  I find myself spending more time watching The Knicks, who seems really competitive and looking forward to baseball beginning.   A shame.

It's youth.

 

It truly is spring. The crocuses are popping up, along with the fire everyone threads. All we need is a call from Duane in Amherst to truly usher in the end of the season.

[Norcal]

1 minute ago, SwampD said:

It's impossible to say this with any certainty. Maybe they would be even worse with a different staff.

It's youth.

 

It truly is spring. The crocuses are popping up, along with the fire everyone threads. All we need is a call from Duane in Amherst to truly usher in the end of the season.

Ha I think I follow him on Twitter somehow

[Buffalonill]

1 hour ago, Flashsabre said:

Lol this line sounds like a 10 year old wrote it“He sucks at coaching”

I understand your anger, we are all there.  Firing Granato isn’t the solution right now but there needs to be a serious meeting in the off-season with management.

1) The goaltending needs to be addressed

2) The D corps needs to be upgraded

3) look at the assistant coaches. Special teams are a mess.

4) a commitment to a structured defensive system that lowers high danger chances aga

Granato has helped develop the young talent after the Krueger disaster. He has brought Skinner back to life.  Being asked to cobble together wins with 3 goalies, two of which are drowning and one who is 42 and on a limited schedule, is too much.

Prove me wrong ? Hes great a developing players .

 What Did he do the 2nd half of the season?   folded under pressure

 

[Norcal]

2 minutes ago, Buffalonill said:

Prove me wrong ? Hes great a developing players .

 What Did he do the 2nd half of the season?   folded under pressure

 

Did he fold? Or was it a young team unable to sustain?

[SwampD]

2 minutes ago, Buffalonill said:

Prove me wrong ? Hes great a developing players .

 What Did he do the 2nd half of the season?   folded under pressure

 

He also got them back in the race after an 8 games losing streak. Does that fact count, or only the ones that back your point?

[Randall Flagg]

5 minutes ago, SwampD said:

It's impossible to say this with any certainty. Maybe they would be even worse with a different staff.

I think that's my point. There exist coaches who have gone through stretches like this one and have come out the other side. Nobody in this staff or front office has ever done anything like this, so it's absolutely important to talk about whether or not they can right this ship. They DON'T have answers yet because it keeps happening. Everyone is a first-timer at their job at this level, except for Marty Wilford who apparently is real and apparently had 2 years as an assistant on bad Ducks teams 

This collapse is serious stuff. It's the sort of thing that put a dagger in previous rebuild attempts, and it needs a fix. 

[Buffalonill]

19 minutes ago, SwampD said:

He also got them back in the race after an 8 games losing streak. Does that fact count, or only the ones that back your point?

Not trying to sound like a** but are we really using that as a  Accomplishment?

 He's given up on the team and it shows when he  Purposely leaves his goalie in. ( explain that to me) 

 

25 minutes ago, Norcal said:

Did he fold? Or was it a young team unable to sustain?

 Both him and adams folded first  and the team Folded next.

 

[Buffalonill]

 Sad 

[Goldseatsaud]

Fire maybe I think the team quit on the coach and his message.

So much hope now it appears they stop playing for meatball

[SwampD]

7 minutes ago, Buffalonill said:

Not trying to sound like a** but are we really using that as a  Accomplishment?

 He's given up on the team and it shows when he  Purposely leaves his goalie in. ( explain that to me) 

 

 Both him and adams folded first  and the team Folded next.

 

Maybe that’s his way of telling KA that these guys are not the answer and do something about it cuz I’m not.

this whole narrative, and yes it is a narrative, that they folded or have given up is just such garbage. The team we are seeing now is the exact team we knew we were getting when the season started. We just didn’t know that it was going to be this difficult to watch it.

[GoPuckYourself]

My problem and I asked this last year is that the kids looked good towards the end of the season last year but I said maybe they’re playing this well because they have nothing to play for. Now here we are with playoffs on the line and this team is nose diving.

if this team is so bad defensively why are our defensemen joining the rush at all? Why is the guy teaching them defense not out the door? It’s the same mistakes over and over each game. 
I like Granato and he’s a solid development guy but not a good HC unfortunately. I don’t see a cup in our future with him.

[Buffalonill]

14 minutes ago, SwampD said:

Maybe that’s his way of telling KA that these guys are not the answer and do something about it cuz I’m not.

this whole narrative, and yes it is a narrative, that they folded or have given up is just such garbage. The team we are seeing now is the exact team we knew we were getting when the season started. We just didn’t know that it was going to be this difficult to watch it.

 Maybe me and you were the ones that said they would suck.

 

But everyone else had them pegged for 85 to 90 + points plus playoffs

 

 

[Norcal]

13 minutes ago, Buffalonill said:

 Sad 

You must be so happy today. All your efforts have paid off. Congrats 🍻