Evolving-Hockey's In Depth Look at Jack Quinn

[LGR4GM]

 

Edited March 21, 2023 by LGR4GM

[LGR4GM]

The podcast so far is really good to listen. I think their scouting reports are fairly accurate for only looking at 1 game and only looking at the recent stretch of games where the Sabres have been bad. Quinn needs to demand the puck and attack the middle more. He needs to mentally be tougher overall. On the good side his positioning is excellent and his play driving is there. He isn't being asked to take the boards but is asked to start the breakout. He looks like a high end rookie who needs more experience to hesitate less and trust his instincts more. 

Jack Quinn isn't getting enough puck touches either and part of that is on him and part of that is on his teammates. He needs more touches. 

[JohnC]

4 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

 

The Sabres have assembled a good top line with Skinner/Tage/Tuch. The second line composed of Quinn/Cozens/Peterka is a work in progress. Cozens started to emerge this season while Quinn ,episodically, demonstrated that he can be a good to top tier player. Peterka seemed to stall and lose his footing this season but in the past few games you can see him regaining his confidence. That's the future. Hopefully, it augurs well for the near future i.e. next season. The youthful pieces that have worked up from the system have started to make an impact or more accurately show that they are capable of making an impact. The fortitude to have enough patience to allow these players to develop can be frustrating to experience. But there is no other way. 

The best thing the GM can do for these young players is to address the weaknesses of the roster (everyone knows what they are) and give these young players a stronger platform to support then and help them grow. 

[TageMVP]

Rookie sensation lol 

[LGR4GM]

31 minutes ago, TageMVP said:

Rookie sensation lol 

He's tied for 20th in the entire NHL for U22 players ppg. That is pretty good for a rookie. 

[TageMVP]

6 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

He's tied for 20th in the entire NHL for U22 players ppg. That is pretty good for a rookie. 

Sure but sensation is a huge stretch 

[Doohicksie]

5 minutes ago, TageMVP said:

Sure but sensation is a huge stretch 

More like a mild deflection.

[Buffalonill]

57 minutes ago, TageMVP said:

Rookie sensation lol 

Hes been really good for a rookie hes going to be a force to be reckoned with next year 

[Taro T]

2 hours ago, Buffalonill said:

Hes been really good for a rookie hes going to be a force to be reckoned with next year 

At times he will be.  But not expecting him to truly come into his own until that following season.

[Doohicksie]

16 minutes ago, Taro T said:

At times he will be.  But not expecting him to truly come into his own until that following season.

I think he's in a great situation, on what is essentially a potential top scoring line but actually being a second line.

[IKnowPhysics]

Podcast was also a good reflection on scouting bias.  Stats folks are realll uncomfortable with making visual judgements regarding performance, especially with how little a sample one game is.  Becomes real interesting when pro scouts' ability to override this is combined with the reported pro scouting culture of defending "their guy" to the death to GMs.  Managing bias becomes nearly impossible.

[Thorner]

28 minutes ago, IKnowPhysics said:

Podcast was also a good reflection on scouting bias.  Stats folks are realll uncomfortable with making visual judgements regarding performance, especially with how little a sample one game is.  Becomes real interesting when pro scouts' ability to override this is combined with the reported pro scouting culture of defending "their guy" to the death to GMs.  Managing bias becomes nearly impossible.

GM needs to assume heavy bias on both sides, and weigh the macro statistics take with the macro eye test take to an equal degree