Has Casey Mittelstadt changed any minds?

[Pimlach]

1 minute ago, TRIP65 said:

Yes I am saying just that. Krebs stat line sucks. He is a fighter and played well that way on 4th line but does nothing when he moves up.

Power, Levi, Quinn all produce young over older players, age has nothing to do with TOP LEVEL Talent

How hard is it to sub plant a 4th line Center?

Krebs is really not a fighter.  He has no fighting history.  But on a team with no fighters he chose not to back down.  He is a guy that seems willing to do anything to play and in any role.   I like hungry players.  

I think his skating and passing skills are good.  He needs a better shot, and that is something he must work on.  He needs to get physically stronger.  That will come from age and workouts.   He is listed at 6' and 187 lbs so he has a good frame to add muscle to.   If he gets stronger he will be a real pest to play against.  

He is 22, and just had 9 goals and 26 points mostly as the 4C with limited time with the top forwards.  Interestingly, he scored a  PPG and a SHG.  His age 22 season is statistically ahead of were Tage and Mitts were at 22 years old.   Not saying he has their talent, but I am saying he has shown enough to be kept around and looked at another year.  

Of course if another team wants him in a trade, given the log jam coming at C/W, he could be traded as well.  

[LGR4GM]

2 minutes ago, TRIP65 said:

Savoie and Kulich are top level players where they are, producing. Krebs has Potential but he hasn't reached the Level at there age in the minors or LV wouldn't have traded him. Not a Team out there that didn't ask Adams for those two in a trade at the Deadline.

If they would have taken Krebs, We would be in the Playoffs right now.

Mike Drop

Boom!

I have no idea what this post has to do with your statement that "(Krebs) gonna get beat out in camp or Savoie and Kulich are not the real deal" 

That's just not true. They certainly could beat out Krebs but if they don't, it has 0 impact on them being the "real deal".

[Archie Lee]

9 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

I think we're underselling how good Jack Quinn will be next year. I don't see any chance they split up Cozens and Quinn.

I don't think he needs Cozens to be good. Do you? 

[Flashsabre]

I have no idea why people don’t like Krebs. Kid is a warrior. He plays whatever role he is given to the best of his ability. He is a natural playmaker that hasn’t played consistently with players that can capitalize on his setups. 

Look at Mitts once he moved between Skinner and Tuch. Production went up. Once Krebs gets stronger he will be in the same position. Play him with some talented guys and his production goes up. He was WHL player of the year. He has offensive chops.

[Dr. Who]

5 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

I don't think he needs Cozens to be good. Do you? 

He doesn't, but I like the chemistry with Cozens. I don't want to mess with that.

[LGR4GM]

12 minutes ago, TRIP65 said:

Savoie and Kulich are top level players where they are, producing. Krebs has Potential but he hasn't reached the Level at there age in the minors or LV wouldn't have traded him. Not a Team out there that didn't ask Adams for those two in a trade at the Deadline.

If they would have taken Krebs, We would be in the Playoffs right now.

Mike Drop

Boom!

Krebs, DY+1, WHL: 1.58ppg

Savoie, DY+1, WHL: 1.53ppg

I think we should be willing to give Krebs another year.

5 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

I don't think he needs Cozens to be good. Do you? 

No, but playing good players with good players can't hurt. 

[TRIP65]

11 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Kulich is a winger at the NHL level impo, just tossing that out.

Kulich won't break our winger lineup, be in Rochester if he doesn't win Center Position. Either way this is about Krebs, he won't break the Winger lineup either, have to win 4th line Center. He can't beat Middlestat unless he is traded. Krebs has to beat JOST, Savoie, Kulich, Östlund, even maybe Girgenson (if signed) if it is the last player in.

You seem NOT to want to acknowledge this fact. Krebs does only 1 thing Center and assists (can't hit the net, assuming he shoots) Who does Krebs keep of the Roster? Mind you, not OUR draft pick, part of a trade already won. You think Adams doesn't want to show the world one of his 3 Centers drafted HIGH 1st round. Kulich has part of the Eichel trade NO?

Krebs will be in camp, far as I will go where he lands!

[Archie Lee]

5 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Krebs, DY+1, WHL: 1.58ppg

Savoie, DY+1, WHL: 1.53ppg

I think we should be willing to give Krebs another year.

No, but playing good players with good players can't hurt. 

Agreed.  We have lots of good players. I like Quinn with Cozens.  I like him with Krebs too.  We are in good shape with multiple good options.

[TRIP65]

7 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

I don't think he needs Cozens to be good. Do you? 

Quinn Top Level Prospect, Pass, Assists, good shot if he shoots. Can play with Cozens or Middlestat (C). Cozens needs proven scorers now. Pretty sure Rousek ends up on one of these two lines too. Greenway Rousek will balance lines with Peterka and Quinn other side.

I like Greenway Cozens Peterka,   Quinn Middlestat Rousek (this line will be fast and gets Quinn the puck to SHOOT) unless they get Top 4 Winger.

[LGR4GM]

2 minutes ago, TRIP65 said:

Kulich won't break our winger lineup, be in Rochester if he doesn't win Center Position. Either way this is about Krebs, he won't break the Winger lineup either, have to win 4th line Center. He can't beat Middlestat unless he is traded. Krebs has to beat JOST, Savoie, Kulich, Östlund, even maybe Girgenson (if signed) if it is the last player in.

You seem NOT to want to acknowledge this fact. Krebs does only 1 thing Center and assists (can't hit the net, assuming he shoots) Who does Krebs keep of the Roster? Mind you, not OUR draft pick, part of a trade already won. You think Adams doesn't want to show the world one of his 3 Centers drafted HIGH 1st round. Kulich has part of the Eichel trade NO?

Krebs will be in camp, far as I will go where he lands!

Östlund won't be in NA next year and if he is, he's in Rochester. Jost isn't signed so we'll wait on that. I don't think Adams gives a flying F about showing others or the Eichel trade anymore. Savoie will start at wing. Zemgus isn't a Center. 

Krebs does have work to do but I think he's still got potential. It's too early to write him off. 

[Flashsabre]

6 minutes ago, TRIP65 said:

Kulich won't break our winger lineup, be in Rochester if he doesn't win Center Position. Either way this is about Krebs, he won't break the Winger lineup either, have to win 4th line Center. He can't beat Middlestat unless he is traded. Krebs has to beat JOST, Savoie, Kulich, Östlund, even maybe Girgenson (if signed) if it is the last player in.

You seem NOT to want to acknowledge this fact. Krebs does only 1 thing Center and assists (can't hit the net, assuming he shoots) Who does Krebs keep of the Roster? Mind you, not OUR draft pick, part of a trade already won. You think Adams doesn't want to show the world one of his 3 Centers drafted HIGH 1st round. Kulich has part of the Eichel trade NO?

Krebs will be in camp, far as I will go where he lands!

I think you have it backwards. Savoie, Kulich, Östlund would have to beat out Krebs. Savoie And Kulich will be at camp. That is as far as I will go with that.

[JohnC]

19 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

I think we're underselling how good Jack Quinn will be next year. I don't see any chance they split up Cozens and Quinn.

I don't think that many fans who have watched Quinn this season are underselling him. He has given glimpses that he is going to be a very good player in this league. I see him as a first line talent. The person who I think is being undersold is Peterka. He certainly has struggled during this season. But when watching him over an extended period of time, you can see the talent. The Quin/Cozens/JJ line is an emerging line composed of young players who will continue to get better. What's exciting to consider is that Quinn usually takes an adjustment year when he is moved to a higher league. Next year, he will be an important player on this team. 

[Flashsabre]

1 minute ago, JohnC said:

I don't think that many fans who have watched Quinn this season are underselling him. He has given glimpses that he is going to be a very good player in this league. I see him as a first line talent. The person who I think is being undersold is Peterka. He certainly has struggled during this season. But when watching him over an extended period of time, you can see the talent. The Quin/Cozens/JJ line is an emerging line composed of young players who will continue to get better. What's exciting to consider is that Quinn usually takes an adjustment year when he is moved to a higher league. Next year, he will be an important player on this team. 

My biggest thing with JJ is that he doesn’t finish enough chances. I like him a lot but of the young guys I can see him being made available if Kulich and Savoie cement themselves over the next couple years as finishers. Not saying I want JJ gone at all. If he can find his scoring touch then look out. He and Quinn have tremendous chemistry together.

[TRIP65]

20 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

I have no idea what this post has to do with your statement that "(Krebs) gonna get beat out in camp or Savoie and Kulich are not the real deal" 

That's just not true. They certainly could beat out Krebs but if they don't, it has 0 impact on them being the "real deal".

9 goals for 26 pts is very EASY for Savoie alone to beat out and he will get THAT chance. If Not him then Kulich, if NOT him them Jost (if signed), etc...

Adams has to get to the Playoffs. Krebs Stat line NOT good enough, so next camp he will have to get more goals then the 19 year old players or he will be Benched or traded.

Krebs CAN'T break top 3 lines as Center or Winger so he has to be 4th line or bench and he can't do anything else but Center at this point over other players.

Everybody keeps talking POTENTIAL, that Potential was suppose to be shown like Quinn and Peterka. You see what they can do if they shoot. You except the stat lines. I see Krebs shoot and I say PASS THE PUCK. He misses the pass and I have other verbs I use. TELL ME I AM WRONG, actually don't because so far I haven't seen a honest opinion on this subject yet. Be the first to admit I am wrong if proven otherwise next camp. I was wrong about Middlestat, but only one year, this second half.

I am 57 years old watched Sabres since 79 that I remember. I have seen GREAT players. I have seen the Cyr's too, all the potential but it just didn't stick and Krebs is NOT Paul Cyr. Not Middlestat either and all that matters is what he is now because everyone else is in the system too and will get BIGGER, Stronger, faster, better shots. They are all young, even Jost.

Don't see a path for Krebs, Adams isn't just gonna give it to him next year like he did this.

[LGR4GM]

Jost is 25, what you see is what you get. 

Second time you've ignored my point. 

6 minutes ago, TRIP65 said:

9 goals for 26 pts is very EASY for Savoie alone to beat out and he will get THAT chance. If Not him then Kulich, if NOT him them Jost (if signed), etc...

Adams has to get to the Playoffs. Krebs Stat line NOT good enough, so next camp he will have to get more goals then the 19 year old players or he will be Benched or traded.

Krebs CAN'T break top 3 lines as Center or Winger so he has to be 4th line or bench and he can't do anything else but Center at this point over other players.

Everybody keeps talking POTENTIAL, that Potential was suppose to be shown like Quinn and Peterka. You see what they can do if they shoot. You except the stat lines. I see Krebs shoot and I say PASS THE PUCK. He misses the pass and I have other verbs I use. TELL ME I AM WRONG, actually don't because so far I haven't seen a honest opinion on this subject yet. Be the first to admit I am wrong if proven otherwise next camp. I was wrong about Middlestat, but only one year, this second half.

I am 57 years old watched Sabres since 79 that I remember. I have seen GREAT players. I have seen the Cyr's too, all the potential but it just didn't stick and Krebs is NOT Paul Cyr. Not Middlestat either and all that matters is what he is now because everyone else is in the system too and will get BIGGER, Stronger, faster, better shots. They are all young, even Jost.

Don't see a path for Krebs, Adams isn't just gonna give it to him next year like he did this.

 

[JohnC]

28 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:

My biggest thing with JJ is that he doesn’t finish enough chances. I like him a lot but of the young guys I can see him being made available if Kulich and Savoie cement themselves over the next couple years as finishers. Not saying I want JJ gone at all. If he can find his scoring touch then look out. He and Quinn have tremendous chemistry together.

JJ is 21 years old. This was his first year in the NHL. I don't see him scoring as many goals as Quinn but I do see him solidifying himself as a second-line player. Next year I can see him and Quinn make a leap forward. I'm really excited about Quinn/Cozens/JJ line. 

[TRIP65]

18 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:

I think you have it backwards. Savoie, Kulich, Östlund would have to beat out Krebs. Savoie And Kulich will be at camp. That is as far as I will go with that.

9 pts for 26 total and can't hit the net.

 

Dahlin 15 for 73, defense

Olofsson 28 for 40   everybody wants him gone

Quinn 14 for 37  not enough BUT

Peterka 12 for 32 not enough but

Okoposo 11 for 28     old but Captain'

Jost mid year 7 for 22   maybe Krebs beats him out but a full year here, NOT

Power 4 for 35         19 years old rookie no AHL plays DEFENSE

Didn't do Cozens, Middlestat or 1st line because it isn't close.

So I am suppose to believe Krebs can beat out someone, WHO? Girgenson, that's who.

If your really a Sabre fan, you should want better. All the players in the system matter to put the best team forward. Many here just want to be right but have no proof on stats or even AHL or minor league play compared to who is coming up. Krebs was already traded and only a piece of the trade. He has had a whole year. Not seeing 20 goals and 30 assists for 50 next year and honestly, not enough. Benched in LV. Bench for games here, NOT because of rotation, terrible Winger. I can still here Marty Biron'.

 

40 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I don't think that many fans who have watched Quinn this season are underselling him. He has given glimpses that he is going to be a very good player in this league. I see him as a first line talent. The person who I think is being undersold is Peterka. He certainly has struggled during this season. But when watching him over an extended period of time, you can see the talent. The Quin/Cozens/JJ line is an emerging line composed of young players who will continue to get better. What's exciting to consider is that Quinn usually takes an adjustment year when he is moved to a higher league. Next year, he will be an important player on this team. 

JUST SHOOT THE PUCK

[Dr. Who]

36 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:

My biggest thing with JJ is that he doesn’t finish enough chances. I like him a lot but of the young guys I can see him being made available if Kulich and Savoie cement themselves over the next couple years as finishers. Not saying I want JJ gone at all. If he can find his scoring touch then look out. He and Quinn have tremendous chemistry together.

I like his goal scoring meme in the game day threads, so I am in favor of JJ.

[TRIP65]

37 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:

My biggest thing with JJ is that he doesn’t finish enough chances. I like him a lot but of the young guys I can see him being made available if Kulich and Savoie cement themselves over the next couple years as finishers. Not saying I want JJ gone at all. If he can find his scoring touch then look out. He and Quinn have tremendous chemistry together.

JUST SHOOT THE PUCK

[TRIP65]

20 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Jost is 25, what you see is what you get. 

Second time you've ignored my point. 

 

25 and can't change, How old is Middlestat, Tage when they changed?

[LGR4GM]

56 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Krebs, DY+1, WHL: 1.58ppg

Savoie, DY+1, WHL: 1.53ppg

I think we should be willing to give Krebs another year.

No, but playing good players with good players can't hurt. 

 

7 minutes ago, TRIP65 said:

If your really a Sabre fan, you should want better. All the players in the system matter to put the best team forward. Many here just want to be right but have no proof on stats or even AHL or minor league play compared to who is coming up. Krebs was already traded and only a piece of the trade. He has had a whole year. Not seeing 20 goals and 30 assists for 50 next year and honestly, not enough. Benched in LV. Bench for games here, NOT because of rotation, terrible Winger. I can still here Marty Biron'.

I don't have anything to be right on. Idk if Krebs will make it but he's 22 so we should give him this upcoming season to see. If Savoie beats him out, cool. That said they compare for WHL stats, even though I think Savoie has more tools. 

No one here is arguing what you are, or against it. And again, you've ignored my point. If Savoie and Kulich fail to beat out Krebs in camp, it doesn't mean much of anything about them being "the real deal".

[dudacek]

1 hour ago, TRIP65 said:

 

How hard is it to sub plant a 4th line Center?

Is sub planting sorta like sub tweeting?

Im not real good with you kids and all that social media stuff.

[LGR4GM]

18 minutes ago, TRIP65 said:

25 and can't change, How old is Middlestat, Tage when they changed?

23 and 24. Both also had way less games played at 24 than Jost.

Jost has about 100ish more games played right now compared to either player. He is what he is. Really, if we say Tage broke out last season, that's about 200 fewer games than Jost to this point. Jost is what he is. 

Also strange you think Jost will improve but not Krebs.

Edited April 15, 2023 by LGR4GM

[TRIP65]

8 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

 

I don't have anything to be right on. Idk if Krebs will make it but he's 22 so we should give him this upcoming season to see. If Savoie beats him out, cool. That said they compare for WHL stats, even though I think Savoie has more tools. 

No one here is arguing what you are, or against it. And again, you've ignored my point. If Savoie and Kulich fail to beat out Krebs in camp, it doesn't mean much of anything about them being "the real deal".

If Krebs beats them out then they won't see the Sabres team for 2-3 years. Middlestat will have to be traded if they don't sign him, RFA, lose him on price.  Savoie or Kulich are NOT beating out the current Wingers. Rousek will be on the team, need his two way play, drive to net and Penalty kill. Not jumping ahead without complete failure next year of Quinn and Peterka. Greenway is going nowhere for at least next year. If Granto gets it to work he will be a Sabre for many years, size alone dictates that.

So if they don't show what they have this year not much of a chance they break the lineup anytime soon. This is all assuming Olofsson is gone too.

This teams drives to the playoffs won't be much room. Get better and better as constructed. The spot to take is Krebs. Neither are big enough to go to winger with him on 4th line, usually a checking line.

12 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Is sub planting sorta like sub tweeting?

Im not real good with you kids and all that social media stuff.

i am 57, THANKS

[TRIP65]

11 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

23 and 24. Both also had way less games played at 24 than Jost.

Jost has about 100ish more games played right now compared to either player. He is what he is. Really, if we say Tage broke out last season, that's about 200 fewer games than Jost to this point. Jost is what he is. 

Also strange you think Jost will improve but not Krebs.

Jost had partial year here not far off what Krebs did and he can play Wing, Penalty Kill. Better 4th line Center than Krebs as far as checking goes. Didn't get Krebs from Las Vegas to be a 4th line Center. Krebs needs to break the 3rd line someday. I bet Savoie breaks the TOP 6, maybe even Kulich before. I see NO PATH for Krebs to do this. Jost doesn't need to, 4th liner pure and simple. Never be a 20 goal scorer, doesn't need to be.

Go to long with Krebs, he will be OLD and no trade value.

Again, NOT about Krebs, about the Prospects and he just put bad numbers up. Can't be more than a 4th line center without injury long term. That happens, has no TRADE VALUE. Sabres don't go to the playoffs. Krebs becomes top 3 center next year, we are done.