Forward Jordan Greenway Traded to Buffalo for a 2023 2nd VGK and 2024 5th Round Pick

[Believer]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

VO needs to sit. Idk why they keep playing him. 

Last 10 games: 0g, 2a, -9

Those 2 assists came 10 games ago so since the last 9 has been 0g, 0a, -8. VO needs to be offloaded in a package this summer. 

Hard to argue these facts… Seems DG wants VO to play through it… Law of Averages is on his side…

[Huckleberry]

Im sorry but Greenway in my eyes takes away a spot from KO or the latvian locomotive next year.  

VO loses a spot to a rookie in 2024.

[Weave]

59 minutes ago, dudacek said:

I gotta agree with this.

Granato’s already demonstrated his pecking order and it’s not like this is the 1st time VO has hit a drought.

It would be a travesty if VO played over Vinny.  Vinny has outplayed VO since he’s been back in the lineup.

[Radar]

36 minutes ago, Taro T said:

The ironic thing about Olofsson is now that the team has enough talent at the other F slots they could afford a PP specialist on the 3rd or 4th line, with the addition of Greenway they have 12 other options that are better even with Tuch out with the injury.

Still don't expect him to sit - Granato loves him some VO.

 

 

 

 

 

 

My opinion is VO has a blaze of a shot and should be a PP guy period. Frankly I hoped they could have traded him but I think his value has dropped considerably.

[dudacek]

7 minutes ago, Weave said:

It would be a travesty if VO played over Vinny.  Vinny has outplayed VO since he’s been back in the lineup.

Yes, he has over 4 games. Before he got sent down Vinnie was on a stretch of 0 goals and 4 assists in 17 games.

He doesn’t play special teams. And let’s not pretend he’s great on the forecheck or in his own zone either.

Over the long haul, Victor is the better hockey player.

[GASabresIUFAN]

10 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Yes, he has over 4 games. Before he got sent down Vinnie was on a stretch of 0 goals and 4 assists in 17 games.

He doesn’t play special teams. And let’s not pretend he’s great on the forecheck or in his own zone either.

Over the long haul, Victor is the better hockey player.

I don't think either will be Sabres next year.  

[Taro T]

10 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

I don't think either will be Sabres next year.  

Hinostroza won't be back.  Would put it as being 50-50 whether Olofsson is back.  Depends on what kind of offers Adams gets at the draft.

[Mr. Allen]

Olofsson apparently really wants to stay a Sabre.  Coincidence he’s played terrible right before the trade deadline and making it harder to trade him?  lol 

[Taro T]

14 minutes ago, Mr. Allen said:

Olofsson apparently really wants to stay a Sabre.  Coincidence he’s played terrible right before the trade deadline and making it harder to trade him?  lol 

While you joke, and personally don't expect he sabotaged his play the last couple of weeks to stay a Sabre, do believe it was weighing heavily on his mind.  He played much better yesterday than he had the previous 2-3 games.  The puck wasn't hopping over his stick constantly and though he did do a bit of a driveby before the puck moved to the shooter on the 2nd goal against, his backchecking was better than what it had been recently.  He also had 2 grade A scoring chances.  Something that hadn't been happening recently.

[Brawndo]

The Okposos are building a house in the St Paul Area and in some interviews He has spoken about his career with the Sabres in the past tense. Also His Oldest Son is turning into quite a hockey player himself and playing in the State of Hockey might be for the best for him moving forward. 

[Taro T]

1 minute ago, Brawndo said:

The Okposos are building a house in the St Paul Area and in some interviews He has spoken about his career with the Sabres in the past tense. Also His Oldest Son is turning into quite a hockey player himself and playing in the State of Hockey might be for the best for him moving forward. 

Yeah, the tea leaves keep portending that this is the captain's last season as an active Sabre.  If he wants to move on, he's earned that right.  He's done well by this team.

[Doohicksie]

3 hours ago, inkman said:

Savoie, Kulich, someone that brings anything other than a lethal PP onetimer.

VO's problem is that we have several players that can release that lethal one timer.  Tage, Cozey, Quinn, Skinny, Mitts... they've all scored from there on the power play.

[DarthEbriate]

Re: lineup with Greenway, I had this in the TB GDT. With a day's reflection I still think this is the way to go for the next couple. A day each for folks to clear their heads, keeping Hino in for the defense that has worked v/ McDavid, and then probably later in the week Hino goes back to 13F.

20 hours ago, DarthEbriate said:

There's no GDT for Edmonton yet and I don't think is worthy of its own thread so I'm just going to list it here and all'y'all can yell at me for it.

The Sabres have matched up well against EDM the last couple seasons. There was the blowout loss in Edmonton last spring before the 1-0 shutout W in CGY. But the key has been a speedy lineup that can counter McDavid.

That starts with Cozens and Hino together. I don't put Greenway in the lineup over Hino. I sit either JJP or VO. If it's VO, I sit him the one game and have him back in the lineup (over JJP) vs. NYI. I swap them back and forth on 3/6 and 3/7 either way. Both guys could use 1 game away to watch from above --- even though they've both been close to scoring on breakaways the last two games.

I start Comrie in goal vs. EDM. He had a great game against them early this season. Then, I start Anderson vs. the Isles. UPL can backup both games.

Finally, because speed is the key vs. EDM, I dress Bryson or Clague over Stillman in the EDM game. Bryson has been good vs. EDM because of his wheels. Then, Stillman is in vs. NYI. This also gives Stillman an extra day to recover from the knockout. Plus, Greenway will bring the new-team juice on Monday. Both of them can show off together on Tuesday.

tl;dr version:

3/6 - Comrie, UPL. Clague or Bryson. Greenway in - VO or JJP out

3/7 - Anderson, UPL. Stillman back in. Greenway in - JJP or VO out

[Doohicksie]

3 hours ago, tom webster said:

I think they will find someone to take VO during the offseason. Two things work in their favor. Fans that don’t pay attention to the whole package will be impressed with his skills and goal scoring which will make him an easy sell to a fan base, and thankfully,  there are still those in position of power in the NHL that are intent on building a team their way, analytics be damned.

He was one of the bright spots under Krueger scoring 20 goals in 54 games.  If you feature him, he will score.  His problem with respect to the Sabres is they have plenty of offensive talent to feature, and Victor doesn't have an all around game that fits with Granato's scheme.  Throw him over the wall to a franchise that's got nothing on offense and they'll be glad to have him.

2 hours ago, GoPuckYourself said:

I'd say it's pretty obvious that Hinostroza will sit for Greenway, he was on waivers and nobody picked him up. I'd rather have Greenway's presence even if it's just hitting than Vinny getting manhandled by just about everyone imo.

Depends on the competition.  If we're likely to get into a track meet, play Vinny.  If you're playing a heavy team, Greenway.

[Cheektorado]

5 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Girgensons is more valuable than folks give him credit for. More often then not he wins those races to the puck on dump-ins and then muscles his opponent out for control.

 

33 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Yeah, the tea leaves keep portending that this is the captain's last season as an active Sabre.  If he wants to move on, he's earned that right.  He's done well by this team.

I can concede it's the end for KO after this season.  I will say I think that Girg's should get another contract.  His cost will be low, and they can move on from him after they find another guy that can take over his skill set.  Probably not a popular opinion but I think it's the right move.

[Doohicksie]

2 hours ago, bob_sauve28 said:

Hopefully he hits 30 goals this year 

If he hits 30 there will be teams lining up to trade for him.

2 hours ago, dudacek said:

I’m thinking Greenway probably gets to start alongside Casey and Dylan.

That sounds like such a heavy, heavy line to play against.

[Weave]

1 hour ago, dudacek said:

Yes, he has over 4 games. Before he got sent down Vinnie was on a stretch of 0 goals and 4 assists in 17 games.

He doesn’t play special teams. And let’s not pretend he’s great on the forecheck or in his own zone either.

Over the long haul, Victor is the better hockey player.

IMO you play the better hand.  Right now Vinny is the better hand.  If he falters, he sits.  VO hasn’t earned a spot over Vinny since hes been back.

[Doohicksie]

2 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

Im sorry but Greenway in my eyes takes away a spot from KO or the latvian locomotive next year.  

VO loses a spot to a rookie in 2024.

I think Kyle has played out the string.  His contract is up this year.  He will choose to retire and possibly take on a position as a development coach or scout or some such if he wants to stay with the club.  I think if the team makes the playoffs this season he can hang up the skates knowing he was a part of the rebuild that got them there.

1 hour ago, Radar said:

My opinion is VO has a blaze of a shot and should be a PP guy period. Frankly I hoped they could have traded him but I think his value has dropped considerably.

If he gets to 30 goals he'll have plenty of value.  That's why he plays.

[Pimlach]

2 hours ago, GoPuckYourself said:

I'd say it's pretty obvious that Hinostroza will sit for Greenway, he was on waivers and nobody picked him up. I'd rather have Greenway's presence even if it's just hitting than Vinny getting manhandled by just about everyone imo.

I don’t think that is obvious at all.  Waivers are not in play, it’s after the trade deadline and the roster can be bigger. 
 

 It could be Vinnie, or Olofsson, or Peterka.   It could be a rotation. 

[Doohicksie]

1 hour ago, Mr. Allen said:

Olofsson apparently really wants to stay a Sabre.  Coincidence he’s played terrible right before the trade deadline and making it harder to trade him?  lol 

If he starts lighting the lamp we'll have our answer.

47 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

The Okposos are building a house in the St Paul Area and in some interviews He has spoken about his career with the Sabres in the past tense. Also His Oldest Son is turning into quite a hockey player himself and playing in the State of Hockey might be for the best for him moving forward. 

Eh.  Pay him to scout the State of Hockey.  Still has an association with the club and he can live his life.

[Doohicksie]

10 minutes ago, Cheektorado said:

I can concede it's the end for KO after this season.  I will say I think that Girg's should get another contract.  His cost will be low, and they can move on from him after they find another guy that can take over his skill set.  Probably not a popular opinion but I think it's the right move.

Girgs has been looking more dangerous offensively lately, scoring against the Caps and having a few other good chance.  Also, as a high forward for a pinching defenseman there's very little drop off compared a real Dman. I would say if you played him on D he'd slot in at 5 or 6 in our current lineup.  He'd never get skated around to allow an OT winner by Pominville, for instance.

[Weave]

16 minutes ago, Doohickie said:

I think Kyle has played out the string.  His contract is up this year.  He will choose to retire and possibly take on a position as a development coach or scout or some such if he wants to stay with the club.  I think if the team makes the playoffs this season he can hang up the skates knowing he was a part of the rebuild that got them there.

If he gets to 30 goals he'll have plenty of value.  That's why he plays.

I hope KO retires.  Not because I think we’ll be better with someone else in that roster spot, we won’t.  I hope he retires simply because every time he takes a good jolt, or ends up in a scrum, I fear for his safety. 
 

I think there will be a measurable effect on losing his leadership.  I Hope someone steps up, or we get some of that leadership replaced from the outside.  Kyle’s role is incredibly valuable on and off the ice.  His play may be replaceable, be the “stuff” that he brings along with his play is ***** hard to replace.

Edited March 5, 2023 by Weave

[Cheektorado]

3 minutes ago, Weave said:

I hope KO retires.  Not because I think we’ll be better with someone else in that roster spot, we won’t.  I hope he retires simply because every time he takes a good jolt, or ends up in a scrum, I fear for his safety. 
 

I think there will be a measurable effect on losing his leadership.  I Hope someone steps up, or we get some of that leadership replaced from the outside.  Kyle’s role is incredibly valuable on and off the ice.  His play may be replaceable, be the “stuff” that he brings along with his play is ***** hard to replace.

For a vet leadership replacement, it needs to be Skinner and Girgs (another reason to keep him).  These guys are 30 and never played a playoff game.  That has to be the entire goal next season right from the start.  They can warn the young guys about the importance of the locker room as they have both seen what a bad situation it can be and how to avoid it.

I think Tuch will step up as a leader of the next wave of players age wise.

[GASabresIUFAN]

15 minutes ago, Weave said:

I hope KO retires.  Not because I think we’ll be better with someone else in that roster spot, we won’t.  I hope he retires simply because every time he takes a good jolt, or ends up in a scrum, I fear for his safety. 
 

I think there will be a measurable effect on losing his leadership.  I Hope someone steps up, or we get some of that leadership replaced from the outside.  Kyle’s role is incredibly valuable on and off the ice.  His play may be replaceable, be the “stuff” that he brings along with his play is ***** hard to replace.

Don't you think Tuch, Cozens, and Dahlin are ready to assume the leadership of this team?  Don't use think KA acquired Greenway as a replacement for one of Z or KO?  KA and KO have a clear line of open communication.  I do wonder if KO told KA that he was done coupled with Tuch's injury, precipitated KA's decision to trade for Greenway.

Edited March 5, 2023 by GASabresIUFAN

[Weave]

8 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Don't you think Tuch, Cozens, and Dahlin are ready to assume the leadership of this team?  Don't use think KA acquired Greenway as a replacement for one of Z or KO?  KA and KO have a clear line of open communication.  I do wonder if KO told KA that he was done coupled with Tuch's injury, precipitated KA's decision to trade for Greenway.

I think those 3 supplement what KO brings very well, but there is a reason KA and DG speak with so much reverence towards KO.  He has a perspective and respect that only time, talent, and mindset can bring.  Th e 3 you mention may have that perspective, respect, and mindset eventually.  But not yet.