steveoath Posted February 20, 2023 Report Posted February 20, 2023 This Power kid is having himself a quietly good season... 3 1 Quote
IKnowPhysics Posted February 20, 2023 Report Posted February 20, 2023 A defensemen playing this well in 2nd pair usage and in all situations and in unsheltered usage is remarkable, let alone a rookie. There are likely several teams out there right now in which Owen Power would be the number one defensemen. 5 1 1 1 Quote
bob_sauve28 Posted February 20, 2023 Report Posted February 20, 2023 He’s great, quietly great! 1 Quote
LGR4GM Posted February 20, 2023 Report Posted February 20, 2023 Matt Beniers will win the Calder but Power should be in consideration. Unfortunately because points are the first thing voters look at, Power won't be winning. As for the Norris, Power will win a Norris at some point. 1 Quote
Mustache of God Posted February 20, 2023 Report Posted February 20, 2023 On 2/20/2023 at 9:13 PM, LGR4GM said: Matt Beniers will win the Calder but Power should be in consideration. Unfortunately because points are the first thing voters look at, Power won't be winning. As for the Norris, Power will win a Norris at some point. Expand The question is how many Norris trophies will Dahlin win before Power wins one? 1 Quote
JKB1646 Posted February 20, 2023 Report Posted February 20, 2023 Just a reminder that Tyler Meyers won the Calder and look how that panned out. Its takes time for defensemen to reach superstar status so lets not let analytics skew our sensibilities. Donny gives him lots of rope where as with some coaches he might be at the end of the bench with the mistakes I've seen him make. Give me the slow and steady growth of a Hedman anyday. 1 1 Quote
kas23 Posted February 20, 2023 Report Posted February 20, 2023 On 2/20/2023 at 9:13 PM, LGR4GM said: Matt Beniers will win the Calder but Power should be in consideration. Unfortunately because points are the first thing voters look at, Power won't be winning. As for the Norris, Power will win a Norris at some point. Expand Agree on the Beniers. All-star voting showed us all we needed to see there. Don’t know how Power will win a Norris with Dahlin on the team. He’ll always be in his shadow unless Dahlin’s wheels fall off somehow. And Dahlin is still improving. Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted February 20, 2023 Report Posted February 20, 2023 On 2/20/2023 at 9:13 PM, LGR4GM said: Matt Beniers will win the Calder but Power should be in consideration. Unfortunately because points are the first thing voters look at, Power won't be winning. As for the Norris, Power will win a Norris at some point. Expand I’m not sure about that. In Buffalo, assuming Dahlin signs a longterm extension, he may remain second fiddle on the PP which could limit is point production sadly limiting his Norris contention. Quote
Thorner Posted February 20, 2023 Report Posted February 20, 2023 On 2/20/2023 at 8:27 PM, steveoath said: This Power kid is having himself a quietly good season... Expand Who’s tweet is this? Probably soaked in irony given Dahlin’s rookie season was better and the author probably among those who lambasted him a couple years later On 2/20/2023 at 9:13 PM, LGR4GM said: Matt Beniers will win the Calder but Power should be in consideration. Unfortunately because points are the first thing voters look at, Power won't be winning. As for the Norris, Power will win a Norris at some point. Expand Do you think he gets a nomination? Quote
Hank Posted February 20, 2023 Report Posted February 20, 2023 In a redraft I would still take Power first, I think he's great, but Beniers has earned the Calder so far this year. 1 Quote
Taro T Posted February 20, 2023 Report Posted February 20, 2023 On 2/20/2023 at 8:40 PM, IKnowPhysics said: A defensemen playing this well in 2nd pair usage and in all situations and in unsheltered usage is remarkable, let alone a rookie. There are likely several teams out there right now in which Owen Power would be the number one defensemen. Expand And until the last 2 games, except for that short stint he was paired with Dahlin during the 8 game losing streak, he has always been the better player on his pairing. Talk about unsheltered usage. Nearly certain he's been Clague's most frequent partner. On 2/20/2023 at 9:56 PM, Thorny said: Who’s tweet is this? Probably soaked in irony given Dahlin’s rookie season was better and the author probably among those who lambasted him a couple years later Do you think he gets a nomination? Expand He should finish 2, expect he'll finish 3. Quote
steveoath Posted February 20, 2023 Author Report Posted February 20, 2023 On 2/20/2023 at 9:56 PM, Thorny said: Who’s tweet is this? Probably soaked in irony given Dahlin’s rookie season was better and the author probably among those who lambasted him a couple years later Do you think he gets a nomination? Expand Whose tweet? I'm not sure tbh, I clipped it from Instagram and can't find it again. Sorry. 1 Quote
steveoath Posted February 20, 2023 Author Report Posted February 20, 2023 (edited) @Thorny found it The legitimacy has gone downhill if you look at the handle. However I do believe the evolving hockey charts are legit. Edited February 20, 2023 by steveoath 1 Quote
Two or less Posted February 20, 2023 Report Posted February 20, 2023 I do think Beniers will win, but i think it'll be closer then people think. Elliott Friedman has been banging this drum for like 6 weeks now that Owen needs to be in the conversation. If Elliott is saying it outloud there must be others out there who also see it his way. Quote
Taro T Posted February 20, 2023 Report Posted February 20, 2023 On 2/20/2023 at 11:13 PM, Two or less said: I do think Beniers will win, but i think it'll be closer then people think. Elliott Friedman has been banging this drum for like 6 weeks now that Owen needs to be in the conversation. If Elliott is saying it outloud there must be others out there who also see it his way. Expand For whatever it is worth (likely not much) on the NHL Network midseason awards discussion, they had Power as a Calder finalist and Dahlin as the Norris winner. Those 2 takes were repeated in the ASG Program book. 2 Quote
LGR4GM Posted February 20, 2023 Report Posted February 20, 2023 On 2/20/2023 at 9:56 PM, Thorny said: Who’s tweet is this? Probably soaked in irony given Dahlin’s rookie season was better and the author probably among those who lambasted him a couple years later Do you think he gets a nomination? Expand Yes. If continues to get goals and assist down the stretch he will. If Buffalo makes the playoffs, he has to. 1 Quote
Doohickie Posted February 20, 2023 Report Posted February 20, 2023 On 2/20/2023 at 9:30 PM, kas23 said: Don’t know how Power will win a Norris with Dahlin on the team. He’ll always be in his shadow unless Dahlin’s wheels fall off somehow. And Dahlin is still improving. Expand You don't know what Power's ceiling is. It could be higher than Dahlin's. To put it another way if I told you Cozens would outscore Thompson at some point, would you be surprised? Quote
Taro T Posted February 20, 2023 Report Posted February 20, 2023 On 2/20/2023 at 11:45 PM, Doohickie said: You don't know what Power's ceiling is. It could be higher than Dahlin's. To put it another way if I told you Cozens would outscore Thompson at some point, would you be surprised? Expand To the bolded, true. But it is extremely unlikely. Quote
Weave Posted February 20, 2023 Report Posted February 20, 2023 On 2/20/2023 at 9:56 PM, Thorny said: Who’s tweet is this? Probably soaked in irony given Dahlin’s rookie season was better and the author probably among those who lambasted him a couple years later Expand First thought that came to me was, hmmm this sounds awfully familiar. Power and Dahlin are so stylistically different. Dahlin is much flashier and that will get the Norris votes. Im not sure I see how Power gets the powerplay time on the first unit to get the points needed for Norris consideration, unless the powerplay is reconfigured and the both play on the 1st unit. 1 Quote
Thorner Posted February 21, 2023 Report Posted February 21, 2023 On 2/20/2023 at 11:59 PM, Weave said: First thought that came to me was, hmmm this sounds awfully familiar. Power and Dahlin are so stylistically different. Dahlin is much flashier and that will get the Norris votes. Im not sure I see how Power gets the powerplay time on the first unit to get the points needed for Norris consideration, unless the powerplay is reconfigured and the both play on the 1st unit. Expand Ya, if Dahlin is the guy getting more points he’s almost always going to be the guy getting more votes. regardless, the thought of 2/3 on the ballot being Sabres is wild intriguing Quote
JohnC Posted February 21, 2023 Report Posted February 21, 2023 On 2/20/2023 at 9:13 PM, LGR4GM said: Matt Beniers will win the Calder but Power should be in consideration. Unfortunately because points are the first thing voters look at, Power won't be winning. As for the Norris, Power will win a Norris at some point. Expand There is a good chance that Beniers will win the Calder trophy. Even if he does (credit to him) the selection of Power was the right pick for the Sabres. In his rookie season he has established himself as an anchor player for this team. Without him there is a major void on the blueline. What's impressive about him is that although a rookie he plays with a great deal of intelligence and maturity. That's impressive for such a young blueliner. What's even more of a pleasant surprise is that you can see the offensive potential that he already is displaying. In another couple to three years he is going to be one of the top defenders in the league. 3 1 Quote
Sabres Fan in NS Posted February 21, 2023 Report Posted February 21, 2023 On 2/20/2023 at 11:04 PM, steveoath said: @Thorny found it The legitimacy has gone downhill if you look at the handle. However I do believe the evolving hockey charts are legit. Expand 1 1 Quote
Doohickie Posted February 21, 2023 Report Posted February 21, 2023 (edited) On 2/20/2023 at 11:59 PM, Weave said: First thought that came to me was, hmmm this sounds awfully familiar. Power and Dahlin are so stylistically different. Dahlin is much flashier and that will get the Norris votes. Im not sure I see how Power gets the powerplay time on the first unit to get the points needed for Norris consideration, unless the powerplay is reconfigured and the both play on the 1st unit. Expand If he continues to demonstrate soft hands Power might prove to be a great 6'-6" net-front guy. Edited February 21, 2023 by Doohickie Quote
sabresparaavida Posted February 21, 2023 Report Posted February 21, 2023 @Sabres Fan in NS Going from left to right, GF/60: Team goals for per 60 minutes Power is on the ice. XGF/69: Team’s expected goals scored per 60 minutes Power is on the ice. CF/60: shots for per 60 minutes Power is on the ice. XGA/60: expected goals against per 60 while Power is on the ice. CA/60: shots against per 60 minutes while Power is in the ice. Note, all of this is at even strength. On the right, the numbers are z scores for standard deviations of the league. A z score of 0 is average for NHL defenseman in each category. A z score of 1 is better than 84.1% of defensemen, a 2 is better than 99.7% of defensemen, and a 3 is in the top 99.9% (for negative z scores, the inverse is true) This chart implies that Power is top 2/3 in Gf/60, nearly as high in xGF/60, and the team generates a high amount of shots when he is on the ice. There are less shots against than average when he is on the ice, but the quality of the shots appear to be high, as there is a much higher than average xGA/60 Quote
Pimlach Posted February 21, 2023 Report Posted February 21, 2023 On 2/20/2023 at 9:23 PM, Mustache of God said: The question is how many Norris trophies will Dahlin win before Power wins one? Expand I would love to see them monopolize the Norris. We will have lots of excellent teams if that happens. 2 Quote
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