inkman Posted February 28, 2023 Report Posted February 28, 2023 15 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: A fresh face may be a good thing. I don’t know what Bove’s confusion is about. These things happen. It’s not always going to fit whatever timeline suits him. 1
Taro T Posted February 28, 2023 Report Posted February 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, inkman said: A fresh face may be a good thing. I don’t know what Bove’s confusion is about. These things happen. It’s not always going to fit whatever timeline suits him. And it seems pretty clear that the Bills and Frazier are parting ways but that he is going out "on his own terms." (Not a slam dunk they won't be back together, but would be surprised if he comes back next year.) 1
That Aud Smell Posted February 28, 2023 Report Posted February 28, 2023 Frazier is an absolute class act. He has many, many strengths to recommend him as a coach (teacher, mentor). In addition to all that, I think that the Bills D is in need of fresh ideas and new leadership. 2 1
mjd1001 Posted February 28, 2023 Report Posted February 28, 2023 29 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said: Frazier is an absolute class act. He has many, many strengths to recommend him as a coach (teacher, mentor). In addition to all that, I think that the Bills D is in need of fresh ideas and new leadership. I agree on all of that. I think they need a new strategy, this bend-but-don't-break doesnt' seem to fit the current NFL as well as it did in the past. HOWEVER, that is what McDermott wants, so I don't think that will change. I'm following Bills news, but on a personal note, it is amazing over the last 3-5 years how much I care about anything other than watching the games has declined with the Bills. Traditionall I have always been a fan of the Bills and the NFL as much as all other sports combined. I now spend 3 times as much time following/watching/enjoying the Sabres as I do the Bills. Not quite sure why. 1
inkman Posted February 28, 2023 Report Posted February 28, 2023 Every Bills hater is calling in to pile on Frazier. Actually ruining my listening experience today. I’ve head to step away from it several times because these ingrates won’t shut the ***** up. I was really looking forward to trade deadline week discussion and this news is absolutely sabotaging that goal. Sigh.
Night Train Posted February 28, 2023 Report Posted February 28, 2023 1 hour ago, inkman said: Every Bills hater is calling in to pile on Frazier. Actually ruining my listening experience today. I’ve head to step away from it several times because these ingrates won’t shut the ***** up. I was really looking forward to trade deadline week discussion and this news is absolutely sabotaging that goal. Sigh. Hate the call ins. They should submit questions and have the on-air guys respond. The second a caller is on, I switch off. Waste of air time.
MattPie Posted February 28, 2023 Report Posted February 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, Night Train said: Hate the call ins. They should submit questions and have the on-air guys respond. The second a caller is on, I switch off. Waste of air time. I mean, the format sells but I 100% agree with you. Listening to Wally from Cheektowoga spout out some poorly informed nonsense isn't good listening. 1
mjd1001 Posted February 28, 2023 Report Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, MattPie said: I mean, the format sells but I 100% agree with you. Listening to Wally from Cheektowoga spout out some poorly informed nonsense isn't good listening. I have been saying that for a few years now. I referneced this with regard to the Bills, a typical Bills caller after a loss or a win that they barely got by "I'm Jim from West Seneca and I have been a Season ticket holder for 25 years, the problem with this team is they don't run and stop the run. They are never going to win until they do that. I remember the 1985 Chicago Bears and that is how you win championships." Or the Sabres call from Bob from Lewiston "this team needs to fight more, they need 30 hits per game at least. if a player doesn't hit I don't care who they are waive them, and bring back Ted Nolan as coach, he is what this team needs." As Night train said, take questions from text, twitter, even use email if you want, but let the hosts get by that way. I much, MUCH more enjoy the shows when its the hosts and guest interviews and not callers. Except for Shopp and the Bulldog who spend about 25% of their time talking about sports and the rest of their time talking about everything else. Edited February 28, 2023 by mjd1001 2
Scottysabres Posted February 28, 2023 Report Posted February 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, mjd1001 said: Except for Shopp and the Bulldog who spend about 25% of their time talking about sports and the rest of their time talking about everything else. Back when they started on the air together I would tune in every few days, when I first heard them, I actually thought they were some sort of "lifestyle show". I kid you not. I didn't know they were a sports related show for like just over a month, my brother had to convince me.
mjd1001 Posted February 28, 2023 Report Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Scottysabres said: Back when they started on the air together I would tune in every few days, when I first heard them, I actually thought they were some sort of "lifestyle show". I kid you not. I didn't know they were a sports related show for like just over a month, my brother had to convince me. I think it is "their thing" (as if they are so special that they need their own 'thing'), that they get on the air and talk about taking their kids to school, their non-sports experience at the Casino, what their neighbors did...maybe MAYBE schopp talks about his fantasy team. They about 10-12 minutes in they do the "oh well, I guess we should get to the Bills/Sabres topic at hand". That alone is a big enough problem for most listeners, but often times there is a pretty big sports story, a an upcoming big game, and they still don't get to it right away. Its like they (especially Schopp but both of them) think they have so much time in the station and they are needed so much that they can just do whatver they want. For a lot of listeners, it just gets us to tune out. Their ratings may be high, but I think that is much, MUCH more of a function of their time slot AND 'muscle memory' that causes listeners to tune into 550 for sports talk, and has little to do with their actualy show quality or their performance. If Sal's Bills schedule would allow it I would LOVE for him and Dibiase to get the 3pm-6pm show, and move some young guys into the 10-noon slot. Edited February 28, 2023 by mjd1001 1
LGR4GM Posted February 28, 2023 Report Posted February 28, 2023 3 hours ago, inkman said: A fresh face may be a good thing. I don’t know what Bove’s confusion is about. These things happen. It’s not always going to fit whatever timeline suits him. But we probably wont get that. We will get some assistant or someone McD knew from Carolina. I think Group Think is starting to creep into One Bills Drive 2
inkman Posted February 28, 2023 Report Posted February 28, 2023 9 minutes ago, Scottysabres said: Back when they started on the air together I would tune in every few days, when I first heard them, I actually thought they were some sort of "lifestyle show". I kid you not. I didn't know they were a sports related show for like just over a month, my brother had to convince me. 2 minutes ago, mjd1001 said: I think it is "their thing" (as if they are so special that they need their own 'thing'), that they get on the air and talk about taking their kids to school, their non-sports experience at the Casino, what their neighbors did...maybe MAYBE schopp talks about his fantasy team. They about 10-12 minutes in they do the "oh well, I guess we should get to the Bills/Sabres topic at hand". That alone is a big enough problem for most listeners, but often times there is a pretty big sports story, a an upcoming big game, and they still don't get to it right away. Its like they (especially Schopp but both of them) think they have so much time in the station and they are needed so much that they can just do whatver they want. For a lot of listeners, it just gets us to tune out. Their ratings may be high, but I think that is much, MUCH more of a function of their time slot AND 'muscle memory' that causes listeners to tune into 550 for sports talk, and has little to do with their actualy show quality or their performance. There is some hyperbole and some truth in these posts. At least once a week, they start the show with non sports related stuff. Usually what they did over the weekend or strange happenings in their lives. I get frustrated and change the station. It usually lasts 5-10 minutes. The other 3.75 hours of the show are normally sports related. If it’s football / hockey season, they stick to the script. This stuff is way over blown. They aren’t everyone’s cup of tea but the lengths people go to discredit them is laughable. Don’t get me wrong, I think Mike is a sociopath that doesn’t understand basic human interaction, based on situations he explains on the air. But he knows how to run a radio show. Bulldog does an admirable job playing the “Everyman” which is basically him just being himself. 1
inkman Posted February 28, 2023 Report Posted February 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: But we probably wont get that. We will get some assistant or someone McD knew from Carolina. I think Group Think is starting to creep into One Bills Drive I’m not all in on McDermott. He’s been better than most but how much of that is Allen? He may be a great leader and genuine person. Not sure about actually coaching football.
mjd1001 Posted February 28, 2023 Report Posted February 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, inkman said: This stuff is way over blown. They aren’t everyone’s cup of tea but the lengths people go to discredit them is laughable. Don’t get me wrong, I think Mike is a sociopath that doesn’t understand basic human interaction, based on situations he explains on the air. But he knows how to run a radio show. Bulldog does an admirable job playing the “Everyman” which is basically him just being himself. Maybe its overblown for some people, but not for me. I can often list to shows just as background noise and not have an issue with them. When I lived in Boston, every show on WEEI all day long gave me not problem. On WGR, I can deal with the morning show, the 10-2 show, the old instigators, old hockey hotline...at any point I can tune into 590 out of Toronto (even their baseball centric show), and have a problem with none of them. Years ago I could tolerate Shopp and the Bulldog, but I can't do it anymore. I think Schopp has the voice and the technical ability to run a show and I have nothing against them personally, but of every radio show I have ever listened to, they just are the worst for me.
nfreeman Posted February 28, 2023 Report Posted February 28, 2023 This is an interesting development. Frazier's D was elite during the regular season and lousy in the playoffs. It's hard not to think that this wasn't an organizational decision that is aimed at improving in the playoffs.
shrader Posted February 28, 2023 Report Posted February 28, 2023 I can't imagine that too many 63 year olds choose to take a year off and then come back. 1
triumph_communes Posted February 28, 2023 Report Posted February 28, 2023 Maybe Leslie figured out he’s never going to get a HC job when his defense failing miraculously in a playoff game is fresh on the mind of GMs looking to hire. Thank you for turning things around, but I’m glad we can move on. Something needed to change.
Night Train Posted February 28, 2023 Report Posted February 28, 2023 52 minutes ago, inkman said: I’m not all in on McDermott. He’s been better than most but how much of that is Allen? He may be a great leader and genuine person. Not sure about actually coaching football. That's how I felt about Andy Reid. 14 years in Philly. 1 SB Then KC and taking a chance on Mahomes. Hits the lottery. In todays game, it's ALWAYS the QB. No more Brad Johnson in Tampa or Trent Dilfer in Baltimore winning SB's with huge running games and big D. The obvious shift to the passing era canceled that, IMO. I'm sure he feels a little less confident in his long term stability than the previous couple years. Has a good one at QB and only so much time to advance deep into the playoffs. Fooling himself if he isn't open to some change.
MattPie Posted February 28, 2023 Report Posted February 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Night Train said: That's how I felt about Andy Reid. 14 years in Philly. 1 SB Then KC and taking a chance on Mahomes. Hits the lottery. In todays game, it's ALWAYS the QB. No more Brad Johnson in Tampa or Trent Dilfer in Baltimore winning SB's with huge running games and big D. The obvious shift to the passing era canceled that, IMO. Having watched a lot of Eagles football when I lived in Philly, I don't think he couldn't coach football. I do think he was playing 4D chess a lot but didn't have the personnel to pull it off at times, but mostly he wasn't flexible to change his plan if it wasn't working. I haven't watched football in years, but either he's grown and can adapt now, or Mahomes can pull off whatever crazy scheme is in his head so he doesn't have to adapt anything. It's not dissimilar to the Bills offense, Allen makes a lot of people look great even if they're only good.
GASabresIUFAN Posted February 28, 2023 Report Posted February 28, 2023 Frazier taking next year off. and there was much rejoicing . https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bills-defensive-coordinator-leslie-frazier-to-take-2023-season-off-from-coaching-planning-to-return-in-2024/
mjd1001 Posted March 3, 2023 Report Posted March 3, 2023 https://nflpa.com/nfl-player-team-report-cards players Rate their own facilities. Bills were 9th on the list, when looking at the grades if their nutrition was higher (food quality) they might have been #1.
Stoner Posted March 3, 2023 Report Posted March 3, 2023 2 hours ago, mjd1001 said: https://nflpa.com/nfl-player-team-report-cards players Rate their own facilities. Bills were 9th on the list, when looking at the grades if their nutrition was higher (food quality) they might have been #1. Wonder what the beef is with travel.
Eleven Posted March 3, 2023 Report Posted March 3, 2023 7 hours ago, PASabreFan said: Wonder what the beef is with travel. They had to dig their own cars out of the snow when they returned after the blizzard. 1
K-9 Posted March 3, 2023 Report Posted March 3, 2023 7 hours ago, PASabreFan said: Wonder what the beef is with travel. Most likely it’s because they are one of only six teams that makes their younger players room together on the road.
Night Train Posted March 5, 2023 Report Posted March 5, 2023 Saw some combine highlights . Winner or the physical freak award. Darnell Washington, A TE from Georgia. Bills talked to him. 1
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