Samuelson and Cozens Injury Update

[Brawndo]

 

Edited January 27, 2023 by Brawndo

[Marvin]

3 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

 

And again, Comrie won't have Samuelsson on the D for him...

[triumph_communes]

It’s the end of the world as we know it

[Marvin]

5 minutes ago, triumph_communes said:

It’s the end of the world as we know it

I don't feel fine, though.

[Taro T]

15 minutes ago, triumph_communes said:

It’s the end of the world as we know it

My wife's calling?

[Brawndo]

 

[matter2003]

19 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

 

Sounds like both are minor and could be back Saturday.

[Captain Caveman]

If there is any chance Cozens suffered a concussion I really hope they play it smart and sit him until after the break.  It certainly looked like it could have been from what I saw.

[That Aud Smell]

The Cozens incident looked more like a blow to the jaw. Those can knock you out for sure, as boxers well know. I’m not sure they’re concussive though.

[bob_sauve28]

8 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said:

If there is any chance Cozens suffered a concussion I really hope they play it smart and sit him until after the break.  It certainly looked like it could have been from what I saw.

Yes, don't mess with Dylan's health! 

[Pimlach]

29 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:

The Cozens incident looked more like a blow to the jaw. Those can knock you out for sure, as boxers well know. I’m not sure they’re concussive though.

Hopefully he was wearing a mouth guard, with is actually a teeth guard.  It prevents upper and bottom teeth from slamming together, usually from contact to head/jaw.  Yes, blows to the jaw can be concussive. 

[Weave]

Missed the game.  Is there video of what happened?

[Pimlach]

3 minutes ago, Weave said:

Missed the game.  Is there video of what happened?

Highlights on Sabres website.   I think you can rewatch on ESPN+. 

 

What happened is we dominated and if not for Hellenbyck we score 6. 

[Weave]

11 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

Highlights on Sabres website.   I think you can rewatch on ESPN+. 

 

What happened is we dominated and if not for Hellenbyck we score 6. 

Meant is there footage of what happened to Cozens

[NAF]

Hold both of them out until after the break. Looked like a mild concussion for Cozens. A bit concerning given that it didn't look like that big of a shot -- has Cozens suffered any concussions previously? I think you may be more susceptible to if you've had them previously.  

[Taro T]

2 hours ago, That Aud Smell said:

The Cozens incident looked more like a blow to the jaw. Those can knock you out for sure, as boxers well know. I’m not sure they’re concussive though.

They knock you out.  They're concussive.

1 hour ago, Weave said:

Missed the game.  Is there video of what happened?

Expect there is.  MSG replayed the hit a few times after coming back from commercial.

[RochesterExpat]

2 hours ago, That Aud Smell said:

The Cozens incident looked more like a blow to the jaw. Those can knock you out for sure, as boxers well know. I’m not sure they’re concussive though.

I hate myself for being this pedantic, but concussions can happen from any blow to the head--regardless of how minor, seemingly innocuous, or the angle.

[Eleven]

1 minute ago, RochesterExpat said:

I hate myself for being this pedantic, but concussions can happen from any blow to the head--regardless of how minor, seemingly innocuous, or the angle.

Can't a concussion result even without a blow to the head?  Like a sudden stop in a car or a heavy hit to the body that forces the brain to move around in its brain compartment?

[DarthEbriate]

1 minute ago, RochesterExpat said:

I hate myself for being this pedantic, but concussions can happen from any blow to the head--regardless of how minor, seemingly innocuous, or the angle.

Doesn't even need to be a direct blow to the head. Whiplash and getting your noodle jostled can result in a concussion, too.

[bunomatic]

Looked like more of a butt end to me. Not sure it was the elbow. Haven’t seen the replay so ...

[That Aud Smell]

22 minutes ago, Taro T said:

They knock you out.  They're concussive.

7 minutes ago, RochesterExpat said:

I hate myself for being this pedantic, but concussions can happen from any blow to the head--regardless of how minor, seemingly innocuous, or the angle.

That's not pedantic at all. I appreciate the feedback from everyone. I've been with two people who got KTFO by a punch or blow to the jaw area. Both made immediate recoveries and showed no concussion symptoms after the fact. Of course, that was the late 80s and early 90s. But isn't there some sort of sinus/artery sudden impact issue where you can get KO'd (or made woozy) without there being a concussion type impact to the brain? 

5 minutes ago, Eleven said:

Can't a concussion result even without a blow to the head?  Like a sudden stop in a car or a heavy hit to the body that forces the brain to move around in its brain compartment?

Absolutely. It's happened in hockey as well, I believe.

[shrader]

31 minutes ago, bunomatic said:

Looked like more of a butt end to me. Not sure it was the elbow. Haven’t seen the replay so ...

I thought butt end too, but I don't know how two refs can watch a bunch of replays of a butt end and then call it roughing.

[RochesterExpat]

31 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:

That's not pedantic at all. I appreciate the feedback from everyone. I've been with two people who got KTFO by a punch or blow to the jaw area. Both made immediate recoveries and showed no concussion symptoms after the fact. Of course, that was the late 80s and early 90s. But isn't there some sort of sinus/artery sudden impact issue where you can get KO'd (or made woozy) without there being a concussion type impact to the brain? 

Concussion symptoms and lingering effects vary by person, but the official USA Hockey guideline is that any time loss of consciousness occurs, a concussion has taken place. You can have a concussion and suffer very few symptoms. Similarly, you can have a "minor" concussion that results in long-term issues.

[That Aud Smell]

1 minute ago, RochesterExpat said:

Concussion symptoms and lingering effects vary by person, but the official USA Hockey guideline is that any time loss of consciousness occurs, a concussion has taken place. You can have a concussion and suffer very few symptoms. Similarly, you can have a "minor" concussion that results in long-term issues.

I get that, for sure. I'm wonder if, medically/clinically, there's anything to the distinction I'm making about a jaw-related KO. There may not be.

[Doohicksie]

3 hours ago, That Aud Smell said:

The Cozens incident looked more like a blow to the jaw. Those can knock you out for sure, as boxers well know. I’m not sure they’re concussive though.

I suffered a similar hit under different circumstances and although I didn't go to the hospital (decades ago you just shook it off) I'm pretty sure I was concussed.  I saw stars like in the cartoons and everything.