DarthEbriate Posted January 21, 2023 Report Posted January 21, 2023 There is a ton of time before we really need to think about this, but the front office should be thinking about it everyday. Our imperial officer is growing up fast! Cozens is showing enough (the offense is catching up, the PP work is there, the feistiness and grit, guiding 2 rookies much of the season) for quite the contract. He has the all-around skill set to become a 1A to Tage's 1B. Tage gets the easier matchups, Cozens handles the opposition's top line in playoff series. But how much cash are the Sabres willing to show him? How much cash do you show him? Cozens is currently 41 pts/44 gms, with PP1 time and 2 rookies on his line. Points per season: 13, 38, 41 (in half a season). Good news from a team perspective, you have to sign him this year (before the cap potentially jumps a bunch, because you'll need that space for Rasmus). Comparisons to consider: $8.4.54M cap. 5yr/$42.295M - 83 pts in 82 gms in the season before signing the deal -- Sebastian Aho CAR $8.350M cap. 8yr/$66.8M - 58 pts in 79 gms in season before signing (1 year remaining on rookie deal) -- Tim Stutzle OTT $8.205M cap. 7yr/$57.5M - 36 pts in 56 gms in season before signing -- Brady Tkachuk OTT $7.95M cap. 8yr/$63.6M - 55 pts in 65 gms in season before signing -- Josh Norris OTT $7.875M cap. 8yr/$63M - 41 pts in 56 gms in season before signing (1 year remaining on rookie deal) -- Nick Suzuki MTL 1
dudacek Posted January 22, 2023 Report Posted January 22, 2023 44 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said: There is a ton of time before we really need to think about this, but the front office should be thinking about it everyday. Our imperial officer is growing up fast! Cozens is showing enough (the offense is catching up, the PP work is there, the feistiness and grit, guiding 2 rookies much of the season) for quite the contract. He has the all-around skill set to become a 1A to Tage's 1B. Tage gets the easier matchups, Cozens handles the opposition's top line in playoff series. But how much cash are the Sabres willing to show him? How much cash do you show him? Cozens is currently 41 pts/44 gms, with PP1 time and 2 rookies on his line. Points per season: 13, 38, 41 (in half a season). Good news from a team perspective, you have to sign him this year (before the cap potentially jumps a bunch, because you'll need that space for Rasmus). Comparisons to consider: $8.4.54M cap. 5yr/$42.295M - 83 pts in 82 gms in the season before signing the deal -- Sebastian Aho CAR $8.350M cap. 8yr/$66.8M - 58 pts in 79 gms in season before signing (1 year remaining on rookie deal) -- Tim Stutzle OTT $8.205M cap. 7yr/$57.5M - 36 pts in 56 gms in season before signing -- Brady Tkachuk OTT $7.95M cap. 8yr/$63.6M - 55 pts in 65 gms in season before signing -- Josh Norris OTT $7.875M cap. 8yr/$63M - 41 pts in 56 gms in season before signing (1 year remaining on rookie deal) -- Nick Suzuki MTL There's a few others — Robert thomas, Jordan Kyrou, Matt Boldy, Jack Hughes and tage Thompson — but Dylan's probably going to be coming after a better season than almost any of them when he signs.
Sabres Fan in NS Posted January 22, 2023 Report Posted January 22, 2023 He will gladly sign the Thompson deal. Team friendly to save a lot for Dahlin and Power. 1
Taro T Posted January 22, 2023 Report Posted January 22, 2023 9 minutes ago, dudacek said: There's a few others — Robert thomas, Jordan Kyrou, Matt Boldy, Jack Hughes and tage Thompson — but Dylan's probably going to be coming after a better season than almost any of them when he signs. Plus he's closer to the players having repaid the owners for the covid years & the corresponding cap increase. Hoping he comes in at Skinner's deal.
Sabres Fan in NS Posted January 22, 2023 Report Posted January 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Taro T said: Plus he's closer to the players having repaid the owners for the covid years & the corresponding cap increase. Hoping he comes in at Skinner's deal. If by Skinner you mean Tage then yup.
Taro T Posted January 22, 2023 Report Posted January 22, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sabres Fan in NS said: He will gladly sign the Thompson deal. Team friendly to save a lot for Dahlin and Power. Somebody ( @Brawndo?) said the rumor is the Sabres offered him the Thompson deal & his agent turned it down. Edited January 22, 2023 by Taro T
Sabres Fan in NS Posted January 22, 2023 Report Posted January 22, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Taro T said: Somebody ( @Brawndo?) said the rumor is the Sabres offered him the Thompson deal & his agent turned it down. No way. I don't buy it. The rumour being out there ... sure, why not. I don't believe it happened. I don't see him turning down the Thompson deal. We shall see soon enough, but mark my words. Edited January 22, 2023 by Sabres Fan in NS
Taro T Posted January 22, 2023 Report Posted January 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Sabres Fan in NS said: No way. I don't buy it. The rumour being out there ... sure, why not. I don't believe it happened. I don't see him turning down the Thompson deal. We shall see soon enough, but mark my words. That we shall. Would love to see him come in @$50/7 but just not expecting it. 1
nfreeman Posted January 22, 2023 Report Posted January 22, 2023 If he finishes with above 75 pts his AAV is going to start with an 8. 1 2
tom webster Posted January 22, 2023 Report Posted January 22, 2023 53 minutes ago, Taro T said: Somebody ( @Brawndo?) said the rumor is the Sabres offered him the Thompson deal & his agent turned it down. I’m not sure if Brawndo agreed but I wrote that’s what I had heard. 1
DarthEbriate Posted January 22, 2023 Author Report Posted January 22, 2023 56 minutes ago, dudacek said: There's a few others — Robert thomas, Jordan Kyrou, Matt Boldy, Jack Hughes and tage Thompson — but Dylan's probably going to be coming after a better season than almost any of them when he signs. I've tried to keep it mostly to centers (I threw in Tkachuk because of play-style and captain-potential). I thought Thomas and Kyrou but they're both on 2-year bridges already and are a few years older. I added Tage, but he falls into that same (STL-based) bridge bucket. I also left out Elias Pettersson because he was offered a 3-year bridge deal because Benning wanted to pay multiple 4th liners $3M instead of locking up his nearly ppg center. Some more comparisons to consider (with an extra-fun one!): $10.0M cap. 8yr/$80M - 57 pts in 61 gms in the season before signing (1 year remaining on rookie deal) -- Jack Eichel BUF $8M cap. 8yr/$64M - 31 pts in 56 gms in the season before signing (1 year remaining on rookie deal) -- Jack Hughes NJ $7.142 cap 7/$50M - 68 pts in 78 gms in the season before signing (1 year remaining on bridge deal) -- Tage Thompson BUF Cozens is matching or exceeding the production of all of these players listed except Aho and Eichel and he's going to start getting Selke votes soon as well. And he's doing it with 20 year-old wingers and 2nd line minutes.
Taro T Posted January 22, 2023 Report Posted January 22, 2023 14 minutes ago, tom webster said: I’m not sure if Brawndo agreed but I wrote that’s what I had heard. Sorry about that. Yep, it was you. 🍻
Thorner Posted January 22, 2023 Report Posted January 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Taro T said: Somebody ( @Brawndo?) said the rumor is the Sabres offered him the Thompson deal & his agent turned it down. People really have no idea what’s coming because of the Tage colossal steal lol. Going to say this again for the people in the back: this isn’t advanced analytics where the Tage contract makes all the other contracts around him better. The way the league works isn’t “find a huge underpay and hold everyone’s toes to the fire by that number.” The benefit of Tage’s deal can be found in Tage’s deal itself: we *can* afford to give Cozens and Dahlin and others what they will command and Tage being on a team friendly deal aids greatly: but it’s *not an exponential benefit*. It does not transform every other deal on the team 1
GASabresIUFAN Posted January 22, 2023 Report Posted January 22, 2023 The question is how many UFA years they buy. The more they buy the bigger the $.
Sabres Fan in NS Posted January 22, 2023 Report Posted January 22, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said: The question is how many UFA years they buy. The more they buy the bigger the $. 8 x $8. That's as high as I would go. The Tage deal would buy only 2 UFA years. I think. I would want him signed for that extra year. Edited January 22, 2023 by Sabres Fan in NS 1
Zamboni Posted January 22, 2023 Report Posted January 22, 2023 7 or 8 years at 7.0 to 7.9 AAV fair for both sides. Keyword is fair. 2
Thorner Posted January 22, 2023 Report Posted January 22, 2023 Cozens is so good I’m so happy we are in a situation where we are going to have to pay him a ton of money. 1 2
Doohicksie Posted January 22, 2023 Report Posted January 22, 2023 3 hours ago, Sabres Fan in NS said: He will gladly sign the Thompson deal. Team friendly to save a lot for Dahlin and Power. Why should he give up money he could earn so that other players on the team can earn even more than him?
Carmel Corn Posted January 22, 2023 Report Posted January 22, 2023 IMHO - the Matt Boldy contract is the best comparable for a young NHL player like Cozens. 7 years at $49MM is where I hope they end up. 3
Sabres Fan in NS Posted January 22, 2023 Report Posted January 22, 2023 9 hours ago, Doohickie said: Why should he give up money he could earn so that other players on the team can earn even more than him? Because he is not a greedy bugger and he understands that some players are better than him and will command more money. I just think he is a team first guy. Like Tage.
French Collection Posted January 22, 2023 Report Posted January 22, 2023 What is Cozens’ ceiling? He may become more valuable than Tage in a few years. He won’t score as many goals but he may become the Sabres 2 way physical force, key faceoff guy and inspirational leader while providing more than a point per game. This could be a great 1A 1B scenario. 1
SabresBillsFan Posted January 22, 2023 Report Posted January 22, 2023 He should get no more then Tuch’s deal 1
LGR4GM Posted January 22, 2023 Report Posted January 22, 2023 27 minutes ago, SabresBillsFan said: He should get no more then Tuch’s deal Tuchs current deal?
Recommended Posts