Tage's sh% and contract are definitely linked

[LGR4GM]

I mean... I guess I get it so here is a new thread. Tage Thompson's contract was deemed BAD by some fans and most of the national media because he would have some major regression of his sh%. That was narrative based on looking at his sh% in terms of years as opposed to shots (Tage took 49% of his total shots ever just last year). So checking in on that now, it appears that the massive regression back to his previous average of about 9.14% from his 15% has not materialized. In fact, currently the young Giraffe is rocking a 16.9sh% which is probably a little high. 

Basically, right now that contract looks correct.

Edited November 11, 2022 by LGR4GM

[Pimlach]

Good to know the analytical checks show this  

There is more to his game than sh% though.  We need to see him play  a physical 2 way game and dominate with his size.  He can do it.  Consistency is key.  The National announcing team was impressed last night. 
 

Would like to see face-off improvement too.  This comment goes for the whole team.  It was pointed out by the National announcers last night, the Sabres poor face off performance puts them at a disadvantage.  
 

Overall Tage and Dahlin are our best players.  We need a few more young players (Cozens, Power) and prospects to emerge.  We still need that  #1 goalie as well.  

[Weave]

Faceoffs and imposing his will.

He does those two and he’s Lindros without the cheapshots.

[SabresVet]

I used to go to games to see Jack and Dahlin.  

After last night...I can say I go to see Dahlin and now Tage.  That kid is special and it's remarkable how far he's come when it seemed like he was struggling a few years ago.  Credit to the staff for developing him. 

[Curt]

20 minutes ago, Weave said:

Faceoffs and imposing his will.

He does those two and he’s Lindros without the cheapshots.

No.  He isn’t Lindros.  He won’t be Lindros.  He is a really good player though.  A no doubt top-6 C.

He probably will keep getting a little better at faceoffs but he probably won’t ever be a guy you send out as a specialist to win a big draw.

I think that he does impose his will as much as you can expect from a non-elite player.

[Sabel79]

3 minutes ago, Curt said:

No.  He isn’t Lindros.  He won’t be Lindros.  He is a really good player though.  A no doubt top-6 C.

He probably will keep getting a little better at faceoffs but he probably won’t ever be a guy you send out as a specialist to win a big draw.

I think that he does impose his will as much as you can expect from a non-elite player.

The game isn't the same anymore, he just might be Lindros adjusted for era.  He learns to use his size appropriately in a league where it's now frowned upon to try and cripple and/or lobotomize the opposition as flagrantly as it once was, and he might just earn himself the room Lindros did, albeit through much darker methods.

Of course, this is best-case-scenario and nowhere near a guarantee.

[LGR4GM]

I don't think Tage has reached his peak yet. There seems to be more and more shifts where he at least attempts to impose his will. 

[K-9]

3 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

I don't think Tage has reached his peak yet. There seems to be more and more shifts where he at least attempts to impose his will. 

He certainly imposes his will when he lowers his shoulder and attacks the front of the net. And he’s been doing that more frequently lately. 

[dudacek]

I wonder why people are so reluctant to believe their eyes.

Dude has 34 goals in his past 50 games. That’s 4th in the NHL over that span - only 2 less than McDavid, 1 less than Mathews. More than Robertson and Pastrnak and McKinnon and Tkachuk and Stamkos and Ovechkin and Kucherov and Marner and Crosby and Draisaitl.

He’s scoring (and has a great shooting %) because his shot is elite.

He’s a star.

@Thorny remember a year ago when we were comparing this build to the lockout team and I said maybe Tage could be the Briere and you (correctly) said hold your horses, that Briere was a helluvalot more than a good 2C?

It’s happening.

Edited November 11, 2022 by dudacek

[SDS]

2 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

I mean... I guess I get it so here is a new thread. Tage Thompson's contract was deemed BAD by some fans and most of the national media because he would have some major regression of his sh%. That was narrative based on looking at his sh% in terms of years as opposed to shots (Tage took 49% of his total shots ever just last year). So checking in on that now, it appears that the massive regression back to his previous average of about 9.14% from his 15% has not materialized. In fact, currently the young Giraffe is rocking a 16.9sh% which is probably a little high. 

Basically, right now that contract looks correct.

please change your title.

[Porous Five Hole]

 

[LGR4GM]

42 minutes ago, SDS said:

please change your title.

Really? fine

[triumph_communes]

He imposes his length not his size

[Curt]

1 hour ago, dudacek said:

I wonder why people are so reluctant to believe their eyes.

Dude has 34 goals in his past 50 games. That’s 4th in the NHL over that span - only 2 less than McDavid, 1 less than Mathews. More than Robertson and Pastrnak and McKinnon and Tkachuk and Stamkos and Ovechkin and Kucherov and Marner and Crosby and Draisaitl.

He’s scoring (and has a great shooting %) because his shot is elite.

He’s a star.

@Thorny remember a year ago when we were comparing this build to the lockout team and I said maybe Tage could be the Briere and you (correctly) said hold your horses, that Briere was a helluvalot more than a good 2C?

It’s happening.

I’m cautiously optimistic regarding Tage.

I think his start to the season shows that last season wasn’t a fluke.  I’m very confident that he is a 30+ goal, 60+ point guy.

Im sort of hesitant to proclaim him a 50-60 goal guy going forward.  He certainly is lighting it up though, and it would be incredible if he did perform like a 1C going forward.

[Taro T]

18 minutes ago, Curt said:

I’m cautiously optimistic regarding Tage.

I think his start to the season shows that last season wasn’t a fluke.  I’m very confident that he is a 30+ goal, 60+ point guy.

Im sort of hesitant to proclaim him a 50-60 goal guy going forward.  He certainly is lighting it up though, and it would be incredible if he did perform like a 1C going forward.

Would really give this rebuild a huge chance of being successful if he can do it.  Having a 1C plus Cozens, Mittelstadt, Savoie, Krebs, Asplund, & Kulich available gives them a very good chance of having C's 2-4 all filled with guys that are at the top end of those slots.  Also helps fill a W slot or 2 too.

[matter2003]

5 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

I mean... I guess I get it so here is a new thread. Tage Thompson's contract was deemed BAD by some fans and most of the national media because he would have some major regression of his sh%. That was narrative based on looking at his sh% in terms of years as opposed to shots (Tage took 49% of his total shots ever just last year). So checking in on that now, it appears that the massive regression back to his previous average of about 9.14% from his 15% has not materialized. In fact, currently the young Giraffe is rocking a 16.9sh% which is probably a little high. 

Basically, right now that contract looks correct.

He is turning into a superstar. I don't think there is any denying it at this point. 

Basically the Sabre version of Josh Allen.

[nfreeman]

TT is by far the Sabres' most consistent and dangerous forward.  He brings it almost every night and almost every shift.  I wish I could say the same for some of his teammates.

Last night, for example, they would've been lost without him.

[GASabresIUFAN]

I was skeptical of TNT’s raise to the top of the NHL, but he is bringing it night after night and is a legit threat to score on every shift. While I thought the extension was premature he is proving KA correct.

Now we need a few more forwards to take a similar leap.  Cozens and Mitts would be nice.

[Thorner]

4 hours ago, dudacek said:

I wonder why people are so reluctant to believe their eyes.

Dude has 34 goals in his past 50 games. That’s 4th in the NHL over that span - only 2 less than McDavid, 1 less than Mathews. More than Robertson and Pastrnak and McKinnon and Tkachuk and Stamkos and Ovechkin and Kucherov and Marner and Crosby and Draisaitl.

He’s scoring (and has a great shooting %) because his shot is elite.

He’s a star.

@Thorny remember a year ago when we were comparing this build to the lockout team and I said maybe Tage could be the Briere and you (correctly) said hold your horses, that Briere was a helluvalot more than a good 2C?

It’s happening.

I'm convinced. 

Dunno if he'll ever be able to reach the peak of Briere's point totals but goals, definitely. And he's definitely a 1C.

6 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

I mean... I guess I get it so here is a new thread. Tage Thompson's contract was deemed BAD by some fans and most of the national media because he would have some major regression of his sh%. That was narrative based on looking at his sh% in terms of years as opposed to shots (Tage took 49% of his total shots ever just last year). So checking in on that now, it appears that the massive regression back to his previous average of about 9.14% from his 15% has not materialized. In fact, currently the young Giraffe is rocking a 16.9sh% which is probably a little high. 

Basically, right now that contract looks correct.

I thought, and said here that I thought the contract was a good one even WITH some regression. The fact he's really not makes it a great deal. Draws evens for not locking up Dahlin in the same manner. 

[Thorner]

5 hours ago, Sabel79 said:

The game isn't the same anymore, he just might be Lindros adjusted for era.  He learns to use his size appropriately in a league where it's now frowned upon to try and cripple and/or lobotomize the opposition as flagrantly as it once was, and he might just earn himself the room Lindros did, albeit through much darker methods.

Of course, this is best-case-scenario and nowhere near a guarantee.

Lindros is one of the greatest talents the game has ever seen. He's not Lindros adjusted for era. 

Lindros AVERAGED 93 points a season, in the dead puck era. Tage will probably never hit 93 points, once, in a higher scoring league 

Edited November 11, 2022 by Thorny

[Thorner]

4 hours ago, dudacek said:

I wonder why people are so reluctant to believe their eyes.

Dude has 34 goals in his past 50 games. That’s 4th in the NHL over that span - only 2 less than McDavid, 1 less than Mathews. More than Robertson and Pastrnak and McKinnon and Tkachuk and Stamkos and Ovechkin and Kucherov and Marner and Crosby and Draisaitl.

He’s scoring (and has a great shooting %) because his shot is elite.

He’s a star.

@Thorny remember a year ago when we were comparing this build to the lockout team and I said maybe Tage could be the Briere and you (correctly) said hold your horses, that Briere was a helluvalot more than a good 2C?

It’s happening.

Also being called Lindros...I think it evens out

[K-9]

30 minutes ago, Thorny said:

Lindros is one of the greatest talents the game has ever seen. He's not Lindros adjusted for era. 

Lindros AVERAGED 93 points a season, in the dead puck era. Tage will probably never hit 93 points, once, in a higher scoring league 

He’s pacing at 104 points currently. I wouldn’t rule it out given his consistency over the last 50 plus games. 

[Thorner]

8 minutes ago, K-9 said:

He’s pacing at 104 points currently. I wouldn’t rule it out given his consistency over the last 50 plus games. 

Don't play the pace game. 

Eichel paced for like, upwards of 130 points around this time of year, on more than one occasion. He's not sniffing 100 points 

Also, if I seriously need to construct an argument for why Tage Thompson isn't going to be this generations Eric freaking Lindros, I'm on the wrong board 

[Thorner]

12 minutes ago, K-9 said:

He’s pacing at 104 points currently. I wouldn’t rule it out given his consistency over the last 50 plus games. 

For the record, Tage has paced for 88 points over the last 50

He had 36 in 36 to end, an 82 point pace

He started this season with 3 points in 7 games

 - so Tage, before his 7 game current streak, had 39 points in his last 43 games, a 74 point pace. 

- - - 

Tage has 15 points in his last 7 games, aided by a 6 point game. He's not Eric Lindros because he's put up Lindros numbers for a week. He's just proving to be a threat at being point-a-game. 

Edited November 11, 2022 by Thorny

[Zamboni]

Yeah, I never liked the on pace discussions personally.

 

99% of the time it never pans out that way so.…

 

we should review peoples predictions at the end of the season

 

Hot take…

I don’t think TNT will hit 40 goals.

I don’t think TNT will hit 40 assists.

this season 

Edited November 11, 2022 by Zamboni