Around The NHL 2022-23 Regular Season

[Eleven]

50 minutes ago, rickshaw said:

The NHL will NEVER go to 3 for a win and 1 for a tie. They love the compact standings they have now. 
“Teams had a chance at playoffs right until the very end” is the spin. 
 

3 point wins can separate the standings so much that fans will see the big point spread and they fear loss of interest. The NHL sucks.

I have been a proponent of the 3-1-0 system for probably two decades and this is the first clear statement of why it never will happen, that I've seen.  You are right on.  It works in soccer because of the relegation battles at the bottom, but the NHL doesn't have that.  Great succinct analysis!

Edited February 4, 2023 by Eleven

[Hank]

17 hours ago, Hank said:

Make regulation wins worth three points. 

To elaborate, if the NHL is going to have three point games, than make EVERY game a three point game. Regulation win  3, OT/SO win 2, OT/SO loss 1. 

[Brawndo]

 

[SDS]

Haven’t they done the analysis and found out that there are almost no changes in the standings when changing to a 3-2-1-0 system?

[Eleven]

2 hours ago, SDS said:

Haven’t they done the analysis and found out that there are almost no changes in the standings when changing to a 3-2-1-0 system?

3-2-1-0 is not the same as 3-1-0 though.  And it's not the standings we're talking about, either, but the competition.

Edited February 4, 2023 by Eleven

[Thorner]

4 hours ago, Hank said:

To elaborate, if the NHL is going to have three point games, than make EVERY game a three point game. Regulation win  3, OT/SO win 2, OT/SO loss 1. 

Right. 

It’s already logically weird that some games are “worth more” in the grand scheme of the standings. Some games divy up a total of 2, some a total of 3. Makes no sense. 

[SDS]

1 hour ago, Thorny said:

Right. 

It’s already logically weird that some games are “worth more” in the grand scheme of the standings. Some games divy up a total of 2, some a total of 3. Makes no sense. 

If anyone is going to make a compelling argument here to fix something then you have to prove that a problem exists. As far as I can tell there’s only two categories of reasoning:

1. Current scoring system is not logical. This is not really sufficient. In baseball, a home run in Baltimore is different than a home run in Cincinnati which is different than a home run in Arizona. That’s not logical, but nobody’s proven that it is sufficiently a problem to be fixed. see number two.

2. Current system rewards undeserving teams to a point where bad teams get into the playoffs, well better counterparts miss out. Ultimately, this is the only thing that really matters. Logical or not, unless the current system is rewarding the wrong teams then a real problem technically doesn’t exist and therefore the fix is unnecessary.

Someone mentioned above that this keeps more teams in the hunt. Someone needs to show that analysis just as much as showing the analysis that the current system rewards the wrong teams.

lastly, changing the screen system blows up the highly ingrained what’s a good season versus was a bad season point totals as well as the record books. You really have to show your fixing a real problem before you ask the NHL to throw out all that institutional memory.

[Eleven]

6 minutes ago, SDS said:

all that institutional memory.

All what institutional memory?  As many of us were fans before the current system as those who became fans after.  Tradition for tradition's sake is not exactly the story of the NHL.

Edited February 4, 2023 by Eleven

[SDS]

6 minutes ago, Eleven said:

All what institutional memory?  As many of us were fans before the current system as those who became fans after. 

I guess traditional two point games had the extra point added. Fair enough.  Three point games greatly exacerbates it. The current system awards the third point in a minority group of games. Making every two point game a three point game flips that script and hands out a tremendous number of points over what we are used to. We are at the All-Star break and Boston would be somewhere around 110 to 115 points. Currently, the loser point may have added two or three points to their current total. 

[LGR4GM]

The correct point system is 2-1-0

2 for a regulation or ot win

1 for a shootout win

0 for losing

Why? It incentives teams to try harder at all times because a loss gets you nothing and going to a shootout costs you a point. 

[thewookie1]

49 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

The correct point system is 2-1-0

2 for a regulation or ot win

1 for a shootout win

0 for losing

Why? It incentives teams to try harder at all times because a loss gets you nothing and going to a shootout costs you a point. 

Naw

 

I'm good with 3-2-1 or what we have presently

[SABRES 0311]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

The correct point system is 2-1-0

2 for a regulation or ot win

1 for a shootout win

0 for losing

Why? It incentives teams to try harder at all times because a loss gets you nothing and going to a shootout costs you a point. 

I could live with that. Still prefer my idea but reality is yours is much more likely to happen.

[shrader]

7 hours ago, Brawndo said:

 

They should do it as a winter classic at one of these northern locations. I’d rather see that instead of real games outdoors. 

[LGR4GM]

10 hours ago, SABRES 0311 said:

I could live with that. Still prefer my idea but reality is yours is much more likely to happen.

Nah, none of these are gonna happen. The NHL likes it how it is. 

[Buffalonill]

13 hours ago, shrader said:

They should do it as a winter classic at one of these northern locations. I’d rather see that instead of real games outdoors. 

Im shocked this is in Toronto  when the players came out saying they wanted very warm areas for the allstar games 

[Contempt]

2 hours ago, Buffalonill said:

Im shocked this is in Toronto  when the players came out saying they wanted very warm areas for the allstar games 

That just means no cold cities in the US and probably not Edmonton, Calgary or Winnipeg.  Toronto and Montreal will ALWAYS be in the mix for big NHL events like this regardless of what the players want.

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, Contempt said:

That just means no cold cities in the US and probably not Edmonton, Calgary or Winnipeg.  Toronto and Montreal will ALWAYS be in the mix for big NHL events like this regardless of what the players want.

No cold, dull, depressing places with little to do.

[PromoTheRobot]

23 hours ago, SDS said:

Haven’t they done the analysis and found out that there are almost no changes in the standings when changing to a 3-2-1-0 system?

I think the Sabres would be doing much better since most of our wins are in regulation.

[Brawndo]

 

[Brawndo]

 

[Brawndo]

 

[JohnC]

45 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

No cold, dull, depressing places with little to do.

Why don't you take a nice and leisurely hike up Mt. Washington? ☠️

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2023/02/04/mount-washington-wind-chill-record/

 

[tom webster]

20 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

The correct point system is 2-1-0

2 for a regulation or ot win

1 for a shootout win

0 for losing

Why? It incentives teams to try harder at all times because a loss gets you nothing and going to a shootout costs you a point. 

Like you said, they will never do this because current system allows teams to fool their fans into believing they are close.

I know SDS wants some form of analysis but it’s impossible to get correct data because like you and others have said, teams will play different under this scoring system.

[PromoTheRobot]

17 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Why don't you take a nice and leisurely hike up Mt. Washington? ☠️

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2023/02/04/mount-washington-wind-chill-record/

 

I've been up there in the summer. Still pretty cold.

[PromoTheRobot]

5 minutes ago, tom webster said:

Like you said, they will never do this because current system allows teams to fool their fans into believing they are close.

I know SDS wants some form of analysis but it’s impossible to get correct data because like you and others have said, teams will play different under this scoring system.

I was wondering what the difference would be so I recalculated the Eastern Conference standings using the 3-2-1 points system vs the current one:

CURRENT:
1-BOS-83 pts
2-CAR-76
3-TOR-70
4-NJD-68
5-TBY-65
6-NYR-62
7-WSH-60
8-PIT-57
9-BUF-56
10-NYI-54
11-FLA-51
12-OTT-51
13-PHI-51
14-DET-50
15-MTL-44
16-CBS-34

USING 3-2-1: (BOLD team moves up, ITALIC team moves down)
1-BOS-115 pts
2-TOR-96
3-CAR-93
4-TBY-89 (more regl wins)
5-NJD-89
6-NYR-80
7-WSH-79
8-NYI-76
9-FLA-75 (more regl wins)
10-PIT-75
11-BUF-73
12-PHI-71
13-OTT-68
14-DET-64
15-MTL-48
16-CBS-42