Sabres Training Camp 2022

[Taro T]

  On 9/26/2022 at 5:13 PM, Weave said:

We’ve been through so many coaches I no longer remember which coach talked about keeping forwards in pairs.

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It was one of Krueger's keys.  Granato must've learned that from him.

 

 

 

Ducks.

[dudacek]

Four balanced lines, averaging 10-14 minutes ES time each a night.

• Skinner Thompson Peterka
• Quinn Mitts Tuch
• Girgensons Cozens Okposo
• Asplund Krebs Olofsson

One line will be in tough against the opposition's top line, one will be OK. The other two will feast.

You decide what label to put on each. I don't care.

[Flashsabre]

  On 9/26/2022 at 8:44 PM, dudacek said:

Four balanced lines, averaging 10-14 minutes ES time each a night.

• Skinner Thompson Peterka
• Quinn Mitts Tuch
• Girgensons Cozens Okposo
• Asplund Krebs Olofsson

One line will be in tough against the opposition's top line, one will be OK. The other two will feast.

You decide what label to put on each. I don't care.

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97-99 Sabres, 2005-07 Sabres used this model beautifully to great results.

[Taro T]

  On 9/26/2022 at 9:12 PM, Flashsabre said:

97-99 Sabres, 2005-07 Sabres used this model beautifully to great results.

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Don't forget both had very good to HoF level GTing & above average D to go w/ those roll 4 line squads.  If Comrie can get there, it just might work.  😉

 

[Weave]

  On 9/26/2022 at 8:44 PM, dudacek said:

Four balanced lines, averaging 10-14 minutes ES time each a night.

• Skinner Thompson Peterka
• Quinn Mitts Tuch
• Girgensons Cozens Okposo
• Asplund Krebs Olofsson

One line will be in tough against the opposition's top line, one will be OK. The other two will feast.

You decide what label to put on each. I don't care.

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Peterka HAS to be successful starting early for this to work.  We don’t want to handicap the line that is absolutely expected to score.

[bob_sauve28]

  On 9/26/2022 at 9:49 PM, Taro T said:

Don't forget both had very good to HoF level GTing & above average D to go w/ those roll 4 line squads.  If Comrie can get there, it just might work.  😉

 

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So you are saying we might go to finals or eastern conference finals? I mean, ya ok. I'll take a playoff team and maybe a win in round one

[Taro T]

  On 9/26/2022 at 9:54 PM, bob_sauve28 said:

So you are saying we might go to finals or eastern conference finals? I mean, ya ok. I'll take a playoff team and maybe a win in round one

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Sure, why not.  They're 1-0 already.  104-0 baby!

[LGR4GM]

  On 9/26/2022 at 8:44 PM, dudacek said:

Four balanced lines, averaging 10-14 minutes ES time each a night.

• Skinner Thompson Peterka
• Quinn Mitts Tuch
• Girgensons Cozens Okposo
• Asplund Krebs Olofsson

One line will be in tough against the opposition's top line, one will be OK. The other two will feast.

You decide what label to put on each. I don't care.

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I'll keep saying it, Krebs isn't a center. Not yet at least. 

[dudacek]

  On 9/26/2022 at 10:12 PM, LGR4GM said:

I'll keep saying it, Krebs isn't a center. Not yet at least. 

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You basing this on the handful of NHL games he played at centre?

He looked much better as a centre in the AHL playoffs than he did as a winger in the NHL stretch drive.

 

[Digger]

  On 9/21/2022 at 11:44 PM, LGR4GM said:

We haven't seen Krebs successfully handle a winger role yet. I'm really hoping he makes a jump. 

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  On 9/26/2022 at 10:12 PM, LGR4GM said:

I'll keep saying it, Krebs isn't a center. Not yet at least. 

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So which one is it?

I kind of assumed you meant center for the first post but many were saying he can't play wing?

[LGR4GM]

  On 9/26/2022 at 10:50 PM, Digger said:

So which one is it?

I kind of assumed you meant center for the first post but many were saying he can't play wing?

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Krebs was bad last year but no one really wants to talk about it. 

I want to see him prove he can be a reliable winger before we start penciling him in for center. 

[dudacek]

  On 9/26/2022 at 11:32 PM, LGR4GM said:

Krebs was bad last year but no one really wants to talk about it. 

I want to see him prove he can be a reliable winger before we start penciling him in for center. 

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By that do you mean pile on?

Because the theme to me seems to be “I like the kid but he’s got a ways to go.”

 

Edited September 26, 2022 by dudacek

[JohnC]

  On 9/26/2022 at 11:32 PM, LGR4GM said:

Krebs was bad last year but no one really wants to talk about it. 

I want to see him prove he can be a reliable winger before we start penciling him in for center. 

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No one is disputing your point that Krebs still has a way to go before being slotted as a center. He's a very young player who although he struggled last year in the NHL, when assigned to Rochester after the season was concluded, proved to be their best center and one of their best players on that AHL team. I see the progression with still plenty of room to grow. In contrast to Mitts and Cozens, who are capable of playing both on the wing and center, I don't see that position versatility with Krebs. In my mind he is suited to play center and not on the wing. 

[Curt]

  On 9/26/2022 at 11:32 PM, LGR4GM said:

Krebs was bad last year but no one really wants to talk about it. 

I want to see him prove he can be a reliable winger before we start penciling him in for center. 

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Yes, he flashed skills last season, but it didn’t coalesce in a good NHL player.

The Sabres seem to like him at C.  I know C is generally considered to be more difficult, but maybe he just feels much more comfortable in that position.

[Taro T]

  On 9/27/2022 at 12:19 AM, Curt said:

Yes, he flashed skills last season, but it didn’t coalesce in a good NHL player.

The Sabres seem to like him at C.  I know C is generally considered to be more difficult, but maybe he just feels much more comfortable in that position.

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Different style of play, but see him being similar to Briere in that my expectation is he remains a C but ends up best playing w/ a W that knows how to play the C position and helps get the job done by committee.

At his size, just don't see him doing well trying to outmuscle somebody along the boards.

[Digger]

  On 9/27/2022 at 12:05 AM, JohnC said:

No one is disputing your point that Krebs still has a way to go before being slotted as a center. He's a very young player who although he struggled last year in the NHL, when assigned to Rochester after the season was concluded, proved to be their best center and one of their best players on that AHL team. I see the progression with still plenty of room to grow. In contrast to Mitts and Cozens, who are capable of playing both on the wing and center, I don't see that position versatility with Krebs. In my mind he is suited to play center and not on the wing. 

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Why don't you think he can play wing?  We've always been told that young centers have an easier time breaking into the NHL at wing and then transitioning to center when their defensive game improves.

[JohnC]

  On 9/27/2022 at 12:27 AM, Digger said:

Why don't you think he can play wing?  We've always been told that young centers have an easier time breaking into the NHL at wing and then transitioning to center when their defensive game improves.

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I just believe that his game is more predicated on finesse and setting up wingers. His lack of physicality will not serve him well playing along the boards and in tighter spaces compared to being in the center of the ice. He has excellent vision. His first instinct is to set up and pass. I do consider Mitts and Cozens more centers than wingers but if required can play the wing position and still play that position well. 

[Curt]

  On 9/27/2022 at 12:25 AM, Taro T said:

Different style of play, but see him being similar to Briere in that my expectation is he remains a C but ends up best playing w/ a W that knows how to play the C position and helps get the job done by committee.

At his size, just don't see him doing well trying to outmuscle somebody along the boards.

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Regardless of what position he plays, Krebs will need to be stronger than he was last season.

I’m not so sure that there is any reason that C’s need to be stronger than W’s.  I think W’s find themselves battling along the boards just as, if not more, often as C’s.

I believe that Krebs has the 2-way instincts to be a C, but just needs to fine tune his decision making, and get stronger.

[Taro T]

  On 9/27/2022 at 1:17 AM, Curt said:

Regardless of what position he plays, Krebs will need to be stronger than he was last season.

I’m not so sure that there is any reason that C’s need to be stronger than W’s.  I think W’s find themselves battling along the boards just as, if not more, often as C’s.

I believe that Krebs has the 2-way instincts to be a C, but just needs to fine tune his decision making, and get stronger.

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And that's part of the reason Krebs will be better at C than W IMHO.

And fully agree that he needs to gain strength to stay at the NHL level.  Just not sure that he'll ever be good at W but could see him being good at C.  He was very good there in the A.

[Doohicksie]

  On 9/26/2022 at 11:32 PM, LGR4GM said:

I want to see him prove he can be a reliable winger before we start penciling him in for center. 

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...because that worked so well for Tage....

[triumph_communes]

Krebs isn’t an NHLer yet.  He still sucks too much

[Doohicksie]

  On 9/27/2022 at 1:46 AM, triumph_communes said:

Krebs isn’t an NHLer yet.  He still sucks too much

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Coming from you that means... not much at all.

[LGR4GM]

  On 9/27/2022 at 1:31 AM, Doohickie said:

...because that worked so well for Tage....

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This is a very bad comparison.

  On 9/27/2022 at 12:05 AM, JohnC said:

No one is disputing your point that Krebs still has a way to go before being slotted as a center. He's a very young player who although he struggled last year in the NHL, when assigned to Rochester after the season was concluded, proved to be their best center and one of their best players on that AHL team. I see the progression with still plenty of room to grow. In contrast to Mitts and Cozens, who are capable of playing both on the wing and center, I don't see that position versatility with Krebs. In my mind he is suited to play center and not on the wing. 

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Why is he suited to play center over wing? 

[Doohicksie]

  On 9/27/2022 at 2:28 AM, LGR4GM said:

This is a very bad comparison.

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Not at all. If a player's natural position is center, he just might not "get" wing.  With Tage they attributed it to not being able to use his size along the boards, but it can be a mental thing too.

  On 9/27/2022 at 2:28 AM, LGR4GM said:

Why is he suited to play center over wing? 

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Ask Krebs.  Ask Donny Meatballs.

[Zamboni]

I must have a unique view of Krebs. I think he sees the ice like Reinhart, has terrific passing (not as good as Reinhart but developing towards it), and is a hard worker who wants to get better and has shown improvement from when he was with the Vegas franchise. I have confidence he’ll continue to improve in the coming months and years. I couldn’t care less if he turns out to be an NHL center or a winger. I’ll just be happy happy if he develops into a solid contributor on the team. Just the way I see it.