Buffalo Bills 2022-23

[Taro T]

18 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nfl/article/report-nflpa-fires-unaffiliated-neurotrauma-consultant-involved-in-tagovailoas-concussion-check/

 

Here we go.

Well, it's pretty clear that that individual ####ed up royally.  But this appears to be the Fish & the league (via the union) playing CYA after the fact. 

And for once the "Twitter mob" was a good thing.  The 1/2 time show of Thursday's game never once referenced Tua's hit the previous Sunday and until the bitter end AL Michaels was toeing the party line of back injury (pretty sure even for Thursday's injury); but after the web went wild, the post-game show was actually referencing Sunday's hit.

Don't particularly like nor dislike Tua (well, being a Bills fan really hope he's QBing the Fish for the next decade), but really hope he doesn't have chronic issues because of taking 2 bad concussions in less than a week.

And maybe something like legit following of concussion protocols ends up the followup to this week's events which would be a very large silver lining to this.

Edited October 1, 2022 by Taro T
Friggin' autocorrect gone wild

[Porous Five Hole]

2 hours ago, Taro T said:

Because of the actions (or more accurately, the inactions) of their medical, training, coaching staffs, & him.

F his BS about never ever putting a guy in that situation.  We just watched him put him in that situation 2 times in 4 days.

Tua is just lucky Frazier only went to the prevent D for a few plays on 1 drive in the 2nd half.  Had he been out there more than a handful of plays, he could've taken a real shot.  And 1 real hit that would've bounced his head off the lawn again could've been catastrophic.

Did you know that Tua passed a neurological exam each day from Sunday leading up to TNF?

I'm not defending anyone. But with that in mind, that’s a whole lot of lying by the player, the team’s doctor(s), and the unaffiliated neurological consultant. 
 

It sure appeared that Tua had a head injury against Buffalo, but none of us know that for a fact. 

[Taro T]

35 minutes ago, Porous Five Hole said:

Did you know that Tua passed a neurological exam each day from Sunday leading up to TNF?

I'm not defending anyone. But with that in mind, that’s a whole lot of lying by the player, the team’s doctor(s), and the unaffiliated neurological consultant. 
 

It sure appeared that Tua had a head injury against Buffalo, but none of us know that for a fact. 

From @flashsabre 's article:

Tagovailoa was hit by Bills linebacker Matt Milano late in the first half and appeared to hit his head on the turf. He stumbled when he got up and was immediately taken to the locker room, where he was evaluated for a concussion. He returned to the game at the start of the third quarter and was not in the concussion protocol the following week, despite questions about why he was allowed to return to the game at all after displaying what the NFL concussion protocol describes as "gross motor instability."

So, no, he WAS NOT tested daily because he wasn't in the protocol.

Or do they randomly test everyone whether they are in the concussion protocol or not?  I mean, their coach said he'd NEVER put a player's safety at risk and we know coaches never lie, so it's possible they might.

[Ogre]

1 hour ago, Porous Five Hole said:

and the unaffiliated neurological consultant.

He was just fired for making “several mistakes” that Sunday.

https://www.nfl.com/_amp/nflpa-terminates-unaffiliated-neurotrauma-consultant-involved-in-tua-tagovailoa-
 

I wonder if accepting a brown envelope was one of those “mistakes”?

 

MIAMI -- The unaffiliated neurotrauma consultant involved in clearing Miami Dolphinsquarterback Tua Tagovailoa during the game Sunday against the Buffalo Bills has been fired after it was found he made "several mistakes" in his evaluation, sources told ESPN.

[drnkirishone]

26 minutes ago, Ogre said:

MIAMI -- The unaffiliated neurotrauma consultant involved in clearing Miami Dolphinsquarterback Tua Tagovailoa during the game Sunday against the Buffalo Bills has been fired after it was found he made "several mistakes" in his evaluation, sources told ESPN.

Is it a mistake if all parties agreed to it?

[Ogre]

10 minutes ago, drnkirishone said:

Is it a mistake if all parties agreed to it?

Yes. Three wrongs don’t make a right.

The neurologist made “several mistakes”, then McDaniels put him back out there with the lie about his back. No decent human being serving as coach having seen Tua in that condition would put him back in. I don’t care if Tua begged. You have a responsibility as coach to protect your players. 
Then he’s playing a few days later!?

That scene of him all knarled up was tough for me to see. That’s a significant brain injury.

No acceptable excuse for me. 
 

McDaniels doesn’t belong. 

Edited October 1, 2022 by Ogre

[FogBat]

10 minutes ago, Ogre said:

Yes. Three wrongs don’t make a right.

The neurologist made “several mistakes”, then McDaniels put him back out there with the lie about his back. No decent human being serving as coach having seen Tua in that condition would put him back in. I don’t care if Tua begged. You have a responsibility as coach to protect your players. 
Then he’s playing a few days later!?

That scene of him all knarled up was tough for me to see. That’s a significant brain injury.

No acceptable excuse for me. 
 

McDaniels doesn’t belong. 

It’s one thing to hate a division rival because we play them twice during the regular season. It’s quite another when  that team loses the respect of the entire nation - and rightfully so.

[Eleven]

3 hours ago, Taro T said:

But this appears to be the Fish & the league (via the union) playing CYA after the fact. 

And Tua.  He was the one who wanted to come back in on Sunday.  He's still young, too.  Let's not forget that--the proper job of the doctor is to shut down the player regardless of what the player wants.

51 minutes ago, drnkirishone said:

Is it a mistake if all parties agreed to it?

Yes, see above.

[Porous Five Hole]

3 hours ago, Taro T said:

From @flashsabre 's article:

Tagovailoa was hit by Bills linebacker Matt Milano late in the first half and appeared to hit his head on the turf. He stumbled when he got up and was immediately taken to the locker room, where he was evaluated for a concussion. He returned to the game at the start of the third quarter and was not in the concussion protocol the following week, despite questions about why he was allowed to return to the game at all after displaying what the NFL concussion protocol describes as "gross motor instability."

So, no, he WAS NOT tested daily because he wasn't in the protocol.

Or do they randomly test everyone whether they are in the concussion protocol or not?  I mean, their coach said he'd NEVER put a player's safety at risk and we know coaches never lie, so it's possible they might.

Sorry, but you are incorrect 

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10050795-tua-tagovailoa-was-checked-for-concussion-every-day-says-nfl-chief-medical-officer.amp.html

 

[Taro T]

1 hour ago, Porous Five Hole said:

Sorry, but you are incorrect 

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10050795-tua-tagovailoa-was-checked-for-concussion-every-day-says-nfl-chief-medical-officer.amp.html

 

 

Have no idea what they were testing him for.  The head coach said REPEATEDLY during the week that Tua was NOT in the concussion protocol.  If he's not in the protocol, what exactly are they testing him for?

BTW, the "independent neuro expert" was fired today.  Or have they been also talking to another "independent neuro expert?"

Pretty sure the NFL is in CYA mode.  At this point, they should be.

[Porous Five Hole]

20 minutes ago, Taro T said:

 

Have no idea what they were testing him for.  The head coach said REPEATEDLY during the week that Tua was NOT in the concussion protocol.  If he's not in the protocol, what exactly are they testing him for?

BTW, the "independent neuro expert" was fired today.  Or have they been also talking to another "independent neuro expert?"

Pretty sure the NFL is in CYA mode.  At this point, they should be.

You’re being obtuse so I’ll let you be, but it clearly says they checked him for concussion symptoms every day.

[inkman]

12 minutes ago, Porous Five Hole said:

You’re being obtuse so I’ll let you be, but it clearly says they checked him for concussion symptoms every day.

 

[Porous Five Hole]

9 minutes ago, inkman said:

 

So I can get behind this. Who do you think is being disingenuous here? The team? The consultant? Both? Where does the player fit in here?

I am skeptical that every check and balance was ignored, but I don’t know that I’m correct.

 

[LTS]

54 minutes ago, Taro T said:

 

Have no idea what they were testing him for.  The head coach said REPEATEDLY during the week that Tua was NOT in the concussion protocol.  If he's not in the protocol, what exactly are they testing him for?

BTW, the "independent neuro expert" was fired today.  Or have they been also talking to another "independent neuro expert?"

Pretty sure the NFL is in CYA mode.  At this point, they should be.

If you read the quote it said the Independent Neuro Expert had to clear him.  I'm not sure why, not sure it matters. However, just because he passed the test doesn't mean they wouldn't perform additional tests to confirm.  You don't have to be in the concussion protocol to get tested.  Perhaps they were doing it as a CYA to him re-entering the game?

 

[drnkirishone]

9 hours ago, Ogre said:

Yes. Three wrongs don’t make a right. 

I said nothing about them being right. Mistake to me implies accident. If all three parties agreed to it that is not a mistake that is intentional.

[That Aud Smell]

16 hours ago, Taro T said:

And maybe something like legit following of concussion protocols ends up the followup to this week's events which would be a very large silver lining to this.

The NFL’s concussion protocol has long struck me as a joke and a sham — Tua’s situation being an extreme example.

It is SOP for a concussed player to be discussed as being in a race of sorts to play the following week.

In the NFL, recovery from a concussion is uniformly treated as something that occurs in a matter of days. It’s a farce. But the NFL is such a juggernaut of a business that no one, afaik, is saying the emperor has no clothes (or that he still has headaches).

OTOH, there’s a slight possibility that NFL players are in such phenomenal shape and get such phenomenal care (like, drugs normies can’t get) that they routinely bounce back from concussions in a few days. E.g., Ryan Bates this week. But colour me skeptical.

NFL players typically return to normal football activities 2-3 days after being concussed. In settings where there aren’t billions of dollars at stake, players are generally held out of competitive play for at least a week after having been concussed.

As Roger Ebert said with his dying words: It’s all an elaborate hoax.

[That Aud Smell]

And as a fan of the Bills and, ugh, of the NFL, I’m a party to it. It’s essentially a blood sport. And I’m there in the coliseum.

[Taro T]

10 hours ago, Porous Five Hole said:

You’re being obtuse so I’ll let you be, but it clearly says they checked him for concussion symptoms every day.

No, you are.  The guy who is not in Coral Gables says they tested him every day.  The guy who is actually there every day & runs the team's day to day activities says he wasn't in the concussion protocol.  Have asked this before and you have ignored the question but if he was NOT in the concussion protocol during the week just WHY & for WHAT were they testing him for?  He was listed as having a back and an ankle injury.  There was NO listing of a head injury at ANY point between the 2 games.  If they explicitly said he DIDN'T have a head injury AND he wasn't in the concussion protocol, then just wtf were they testing for? 

Further, do they test ALL players regardless of head injury status?  Because if they don't test everybody for head injuries, either the Fishies were lying about him not having a head injury and his not being in the concussion protocol, the league chief doctor who is an administrator in this whole affair and wasn't there was lying about him being tested (or perhaps HE was lied to & he's repeating what he was told), or they're all lying and he did get a concussion but they needed him to play Sunday because it was their Superbowl & they figured the odds of him getting another concussion in short order were long enough that it was worth the risk to his health and then they couldn't put him in concussion protocol because it would be admitting they lied on Sunday.

10 hours ago, LTS said:

If you read the quote it said the Independent Neuro Expert had to clear him.  I'm not sure why, not sure it matters. However, just because he passed the test doesn't mean they wouldn't perform additional tests to confirm.  You don't have to be in the concussion protocol to get tested.  Perhaps they were doing it as a CYA to him re-entering the game?

 

And if you read the actual in game protocol the NFL uses EITHER the "independent" neurospecialist can clear him OR the team physician can.  No info on who cleared him, but am guessing we know who it was.

Further, the issue about him being tested during the week is it makes no sense at all WHY they'd be testing him DAILY for neurofunction if, as the Fishies STILL claim, he DIDN'T have a head injury during the Bills game.  Please explain WHY they'd test for head injury when they swear he didn't have one.  Again, he was not listed on the injury report as having a head injury and the coach SAID REPEATEDLY he was not in the concussion protocol because he did not have a head injury. 

Most all the discussion with Porous has been about the team's (in)actions during the week NOT during the game.  That is where/when the league chief doctor is claiming he was tested and the Fishies were saying he didn't have a head injury & was not in concussion protocol, so just what the #### was he getting tested for?  Everybody agrees he was "tested" (wink, wink, nod, nod) for a concussion during the game; that isn't in dispute.  However, his actually legitimately passing the test sure seems to be debatable.

 

 

Edited October 2, 2022 by Taro T

[Stoner]

Smell, I hope you got the joke of my thumbs down.

[That Aud Smell]

54 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:

Smell, I hope you got the joke of my thumbs down.

Ha. I appreciate this separate reply. I bat about 50/50 with getting your jokes. They’re so meta. I’m not sure I follow here, and that’s okay.

Go Bills.

@PASabreFan : HA! Yes!! Got it now.

[That Aud Smell]

I’m gonna honk this song here. Incredible piece of art based on the real life last words of a fascinating guy:

 

[Sabel79]

[LGR4GM]

No idea why Buffalo paid Knox.

[GoPre]

 

Bills could realistically be 3-4 after Green Bay in week 7.  

Edited October 2, 2022 by GoPre

[carpandean]

Neither side of the ball is playing like the Bills.  A team crap sandwich.