Where do the Sabres Rank in terms of Prospect Pools post draft?

[Zamboni]

Lately this smells of …. “I don’t follow prospects to the depth like you do, so stop talking about prospects because it bores me, and any ranking or discussion I’m just gonna choose to not believe anyway”. 
 

 

 

(now let’s see how many posters I can get to jump on my wagon with me).

 

😂

 

Anyhooooo …looking at it in general, I think we have a terrific pool of prospects. I hope a few of them develop into very impactful NHLer’s.

[SwampD]

7 hours ago, Curt said:

Which teams’ prospect pools would you place ahead of them?

I honestly have no idea. Just being silly, thus the smiley face. 7th was where one of the tweet posts had them.

36 minutes ago, Zamboni said:

Lately this smells of …. “I don’t follow prospects to the depth like you do, so stop talking about prospects because it bores me, and any ranking or discussion I’m just gonna choose to not believe anyway”. 

 

(now let’s see how many posters I can get to jump on my wagon with me).

 

😂

 

Anyhooooo …looking at it in general, I think we have a terrific pool of prospects. I hope a few of them develop into very impactful NHLer’s.

Nope. Our (or at least mine) point was that we weren’t sure how excited we should be (my thought was not at all) about our prospect pool being ranked high, as it has been ranked high in the past,… and we still sucked this year. I keep being told “it’s different this time”. (I’ve been told that before, as well.)

I have no problem with the rankings as I really don’t care. I have too much to do other than pay a lick of attention to hundreds of kids playing around the globe, and like I said, I’m just not sure how much it matters. That’s fine. I guess I’ll just have to take youse guyses wordses for it. And I truly hope you are right. I remain cautiously optimistic.

Edited July 23, 2022 by SwampD

[GASabresIUFAN]

NHL Network with the help of Sam Cosentino published their top 50 prospects.  Their rules are 25 and under with 25 or less NHL games.

The Sabres top the list with 4 prospects: Power 1, Quinn 13, JJP 23 and Savoie 49.

NJ had 3 - Hughes D 4, Nemec D 12, Holtz W 18.

Det had 3 - Edvisson D 7, Cossa G 24, Berggen W 30

Dal had 3 - Johnston C 11, Stankoven C 36, Bourque C 37

Mon had 3 - Slafkovsky W 6, Guhke D 20, Barron D 46

Edm had 3 - Holloway W 27, Bourgault C 32, Broberg D 48

Teams with 2 in the top 25 -

Sea 2- Beniers C, 5 - Wright C;

AZ 10 - Cooley C, 19 - Guenther W;

Minn 16 - Wallstedt G, 17 - Rossi C;

CBJ 3 - Sanderson D, 22 - Jiricek D

Notes;  Atl 12/50, Metro 11/50, Central 13/50 and Pac 14/50

Teams w zero - Bos, TB, Tor, Fla, Pitt, Colo, and Van

Goaltenders 16 -Wallstedt, 24 - Cossa, 25 - Askarov, 42 - Wolf.  Levi didn’t make the list.

[Thorner]

11 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

NHL Network with the help of Sam Cosentino published their top 50 prospects.  Their rules are 25 and under with 25 or less NHL games.

The Sabres top the list with 4 prospects: Power 1, Quinn 13, JJP 23 and Savoie 49.

NJ had 3 - Hughes D 4, Nemec D 12, Holtz W 18.

Det had 3 - Edvisson D 7, Cossa G 24, Berggen W 30

Dal had 3 - Johnston C 11, Stankoven C 36, Bourque C 37

Mon had 3 - Slafkovsky W 6, Guhke D 20, Barron D 46

Edm had 3 - Holloway W 27, Bourgault C 32, Broberg D 48

Teams with 2 in the top 25 -

Sea 2- Beniers C, 5 - Wright C;

AZ 10 - Cooley C, 19 - Guenther W;

Minn 16 - Wallstedt G, 17 - Rossi C;

CBJ 3 - Sanderson D, 22 - Jiricek D

Notes;  Atl 12/50, Metro 11/50, Central 13/50 and Pac 14/50

Teams w zero - Bos, TB, Tor, Fla, Pitt, Colo, and Van

Goaltenders 16 -Wallstedt, 24 - Cossa, 25 - Askarov, 42 - Wolf.  Levi didn’t make the list.

Ahead of the Jets?

Im good 

[GASabresIUFAN]

3 minutes ago, Thorny said:

Ahead of the Jets?

Im good 

The Jets only listing was Perfetti at 15.

[French Collection]

8 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

NHL Network with the help of Sam Cosentino published their top 50 prospects.  Their rules are 25 and under with 25 or less NHL games.

The Sabres top the list with 4 prospects: Power 1, Quinn 13, JJP 23 and Savoie 49.

NJ had 3 - Hughes D 4, Nemec D 12, Holtz W 18.

Det had 3 - Edvisson D 7, Cossa G 24, Berggen W 30

Dal had 3 - Johnston C 11, Stankoven C 36, Bourque C 37

Mon had 3 - Slafkovsky W 6, Guhke D 20, Barron D 46

Edm had 3 - Holloway W 27, Bourgault C 32, Broberg D 48

Teams with 2 in the top 25 -

Sea 2- Beniers C, 5 - Wright C;

AZ 10 - Cooley C, 19 - Guenther W;

Minn 16 - Wallstedt G, 17 - Rossi C;

CBJ 3 - Sanderson D, 22 - Jiricek D

Notes;  Atl 12/50, Metro 11/50, Central 13/50 and Pac 14/50

Teams w zero - Bos, TB, Tor, Fla, Pitt, Colo, and Van

Goaltenders 16 -Wallstedt, 24 - Cossa, 25 - Askarov, 42 - Wolf.  Levi didn’t make the list.

Nemec,Wright, Slafkovsky,Edvinsson,Johnston ahead of Quinn? They are not valuing what has been accomplished to date.

Holtz, Cooley and Jiricek ahead of JJP is the same idea, draft position seems to be the main factor.

Levi stays under the radar, hope he keeps improving.

[K-9]

18 hours ago, Flashsabre said:

He has no idea what he is talking about. He just wants to be negative to be negative.

[JohnC]

11 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

NHL Network with the help of Sam Cosentino published their top 50 prospects.  Their rules are 25 and under with 25 or less NHL games.

The Sabres top the list with 4 prospects: Power 1, Quinn 13, JJP 23 and Savoie 49.

NJ had 3 - Hughes D 4, Nemec D 12, Holtz W 18.

Det had 3 - Edvisson D 7, Cossa G 24, Berggen W 30

Dal had 3 - Johnston C 11, Stankoven C 36, Bourque C 37

Mon had 3 - Slafkovsky W 6, Guhke D 20, Barron D 46

Edm had 3 - Holloway W 27, Bourgault C 32, Broberg D 48

Teams with 2 in the top 25 -

Sea 2- Beniers C, 5 - Wright C;

AZ 10 - Cooley C, 19 - Guenther W;

Minn 16 - Wallstedt G, 17 - Rossi C;

CBJ 3 - Sanderson D, 22 - Jiricek D

Notes;  Atl 12/50, Metro 11/50, Central 13/50 and Pac 14/50

Teams w zero - Bos, TB, Tor, Fla, Pitt, Colo, and Van

Goaltenders 16 -Wallstedt, 24 - Cossa, 25 - Askarov, 42 - Wolf.  Levi didn’t make the list.

I know the discussion primarily relates to the ranking of prospects but if you include the young players already on the roster to this discussion (such as Dahlin, Cozens, Mitts, Joki, Tage, Samuelsson, Asplund, Bryson and stretching the age boundaries to include Tuch) you have in place a roster that has plenty of internal growth and upside. If the last third of the previous season was a harbinger of a maturing roster and if added to the prospects that you listed that would be moving up to the NHL roster, then most of us should be optimistic about the near future. The issue then becomes how long will it take for this expanded group to gel? (Of course I'm putting aside the goaltending issue for this discussion.)

[PickaPecaPickles]

Scott Wheeler came out with his top 50 this morning: https://theathletic.com/3415068/2022/07/25/nhl-prospects-rankings/

1. Power

9. Savoie

36. Quinn

40. Krebs

Surprisingly JJP didn't make the cut.

[Derrico]

2 hours ago, PickaPecaPickles said:

Scott Wheeler came out with his top 50 this morning: https://theathletic.com/3415068/2022/07/25/nhl-prospects-rankings/

1. Power

9. Savoie

36. Quinn

40. Krebs

Surprisingly JJP didn't make the cut.

Wow Quinn seems to be ranked criminally low here.  Surprised by how high Savoie is ranked.

[Derrico]

Especially seeing Rossi ranked at 16

[Thorner]

2 hours ago, Derrico said:

Wow Quinn seems to be ranked criminally low here.  Surprised by how high Savoie is ranked.

Best ceiling for a C in our organization! 

[LabattBlue]

8 hours ago, PickaPecaPickles said:

Scott Wheeler came out with his top 50 this morning: https://theathletic.com/3415068/2022/07/25/nhl-prospects-rankings/

1. Power

9. Savoie

36. Quinn

40. Krebs

Surprisingly JJP didn't make the cut.

I am confused as to the criteria, and how after highly successful AHL rookie campaigns, that Quinn is in the 30’s, and JJP is an honorable mention. 

[Taro T]

8 hours ago, PickaPecaPickles said:

Scott Wheeler came out with his top 50 this morning: https://theathletic.com/3415068/2022/07/25/nhl-prospects-rankings/

1. Power

9. Savoie

36. Quinn

40. Krebs

Surprisingly JJP didn't make the cut.

Yeah, mildly surprised at that too, but w/ 4 other Sabre prospects in the top 50 & him needing to aqueeze Robertson in to keep loaf fans from crying,not that surprised.

5 hours ago, Derrico said:

Wow Quinn seems to be ranked criminally low here.  Surprised by how high Savoie is ranked.

He seems to have held Quinn's getting shutdown in the AHL playoffs against him.  He mentioned that specifically in discussing his season.

He's very high on Savoie.  Said when all is said & done he might be the best F out of the skaters that were eligible by his criteria.

34 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

I am confused as to the criteria, and how after highly successful AHL rookie campaigns, that Quinn is in the 30’s, and JJP is an honorable mention. 

Think it was just Sabre #'e that was held against Peterka.  He was 1 of 3 honorable mentions.  The other 2 were Kulich & Östlund.

And, as said above, getting shutdown in the playoffs was held against Quinn.

 

Looking forward to where Levi falls in tomorrow's goalie rankings.  Has to be close to #1 if not #1.  Only 10 goalies will be ranked.  Sabres could have 2 of the 10 (though may never get the 2nd one signed).

[Thorner]

Perfetti being at 8 is a joke. He’s Kyle Wellwood

[GASabresIUFAN]

1 hour ago, LabattBlue said:

I am confused as to the criteria, and how after highly successful AHL rookie campaigns, that Quinn is in the 30’s, and JJP is an honorable mention. 

He seems to value newer draftees over developing prospects, CHL 19 years old who beat up over lesser competition vs AHL 19 years olds who excel despite playing against men.  He also seems to value how a player ranked on his board in his draft year over actual development.  He seems to focus on his view of the players upside vs likelihood of reach the NHL or succeeding in the NHL. Otherwise these is no justification for having Savoie as high as 9th.

I think the NHL Network list is a much more honest list.  

That said his list has 4 Sabres plus another 3 in his honorable mentions.  This is the most of any team in both categories and in total.  
 

As to JJP and Quinn he is punishing them for playing on a strong offensive team.  He said as much when I questioned him on how he ranked Reichel and Holloway over JJP.  

[Thorner]

13 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

He seems to value newer draftees over developing prospects, CHL 19 years old who beat up over lesser competition vs AHL 19 years olds who excel despite playing against men.  He also seems to value how a player ranked on his board in his draft year over actual development.  He seems to focus on his view of the players upside vs likelihood of reach the NHL or succeeding in the NHL. Otherwise these is no justification for having Savoie as high as 9th.

I think the NHL Network list is a much more honest list.  

That said his list has 4 Sabres plus another 3 in his honorable mentions.  This is the most of any team in both categories and in total.  
 

As to JJP and Quinn he is punishing them for playing on a strong offensive team.  He said as much when I questioned him on how he ranked Reichel and Holloway over JJP.  

Jets also have 4, and they are in the top 34. But the Sabres aggregate of their 4 is still a fair bit lower ie better.

Chaz “Malfoy” Lucius is ranked above Quinn. 

[LGR4GM]

46 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

He seems to value newer draftees over developing prospects, CHL 19 years old who beat up over lesser competition vs AHL 19 years olds who excel despite playing against men.  He also seems to value how a player ranked on his board in his draft year over actual development.  He seems to focus on his view of the players upside vs likelihood of reach the NHL or succeeding in the NHL. Otherwise these is no justification for having Savoie as high as 9th.

I think the NHL Network list is a much more honest list.  

That said his list has 4 Sabres plus another 3 in his honorable mentions.  This is the most of any team in both categories and in total.  
 

As to JJP and Quinn he is punishing them for playing on a strong offensive team.  He said as much when I questioned him on how he ranked Reichel and Holloway over JJP.  

Lots of justification to put Savoie in the top 10. 

No justification to rank Kemell over Quinn. There's other names too I could add but that in particular stands out. 

Kemell has no skill or ability that Quinn isn't better at. 

[Taro T]

9 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Lots of justification to put Savoie in the top 10. 

No justification to rank Kemell over Quinn. There's other names too I could add but that in particular stands out. 

Kemell has no skill or ability that Quinn isn't better at. 

Again, pretty sure he held the Amerks playoff run against Quinn.

[PickaPecaPickles]

1 hour ago, Taro T said:

Yeah, mildly surprised at that too, but w/ 4 other Sabre prospects in the top 50 & him needing to aqueeze Robertson in to keep loaf fans from crying,not that surprised.

He seems to have held Quinn's getting shutdown in the AHL playoffs against him.  He mentioned that specifically in discussing his season.

He's very high on Savoie.  Said when all is said & done he might be the best F out of the skaters that were eligible by his criteria.

Think it was just Sabre #'e that was held against Peterka.  He was 1 of 3 honorable mentions.  The other 2 were Kulich & Östlund.

I don't think he's as good as Pronman, the other Athletic analyst.  For example, one point of comparison, Pronman had Slafkovsky as his #1 prospect where Wheeler had Wright.

[LGR4GM]

2 hours ago, Taro T said:

Again, pretty sure he held the Amerks playoff run against Quinn.

I read it. 

There is no skill Kemell possesses that Quinn does not. There is no skill Kemell possesses that is better than Quinn. 

2 hours ago, PickaPecaPickles said:

I don't think he's as good as Pronman, the other Athletic analyst.  For example, one point of comparison, Pronman had Slafkovsky as his #1 prospect where Wheeler had Wright.

How does this indicate Pronman is better at evaluating prospects?

Edited July 26, 2022 by LGR4GM
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[Huckleberry]

Man I always try not to be to optimistic but

all these kids, I expect Savoie and Kulich to be in the nhl after 1 year + maybe 2023 top pick.

Add Pat Kane that offseason, the sabres are going to fly on the ice.   And with bit of luck Comrie bails us out in the net.  

 

[LGR4GM]

16 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Man I always try not to be to optimistic but

all these kids, I expect Savoie and Kulich to be in the nhl after 1 year + maybe 2023 top pick.

Add Pat Kane that offseason, the sabres are going to fly on the ice.   And with bit of luck Comrie bails us out in the net.  

 

They won't draft high enough in 2023. If Kulich and Savoie make the team in 2023, I have no interest in pp specialist and 35yr old Kane except on a 1yr deal, if that. 

Edited July 26, 2022 by LGR4GM

[Zamboni]

No interest in Kane. Just my preference. And all the strawman arguments/statements/swipes I’ve read only solidifies my preference.

[Huckleberry]

3 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

They won't draft high enough in 2023. If Kulich and Savoie make the team in 2023, I have no interest in pp specialist and 35yr old Kane except on a 1yr deal, if that. 

Depends on price tag with me and term.