Taro T Posted July 23, 2022 Report Posted July 23, 2022 On 7/23/2022 at 12:37 AM, SwampD said: Simple question. Will the Sabres make the playoffs this season? That wouldn’t even mean that they are good, just not bottom half of the league. I can’t say with any certainty and that’s kinda sad. Hope is not a srategy. Expand And it's annoying that they weren't in on another goalie (that would actually move to Buffalo) and Neiderriter (expect he'd've been an even better add than Copp would've been); but provided Comrie doesn't deficate himself they should be close to playoffs (90+) without any luck & could get there with a fair helping of it. That hasn't been true in any season since Regier spoke of suffering and since which they've somehow managed to never break an NHL 0.500 for an entire season. Finally baby steps appear nearly inevitable. We can all be ticked about it and blow it all off or hope & hopefully watch entertaining hockey at a minimum. Too tired to be ticked. YMMV. Quote
LGR4GM Posted July 23, 2022 Report Posted July 23, 2022 On 7/22/2022 at 11:13 PM, SwampD said: The gullibility comes from still buying the only product they have to sell, the “future” or “soon”, after 11 plus years. Eventually, the team is going to have to start selling “winning.” Maybe not. Wait. Aren’t you one of those that keeps pointing out that it’s different this time? Expand It is because we're drafting better and haven't done that. Let's not reverse course now. Quote
SwampD Posted July 23, 2022 Report Posted July 23, 2022 On 7/23/2022 at 11:40 AM, LGR4GM said: It is because we're drafting better and haven't done that. Let's not reverse course now. Expand Well, they drafted Power, so this must be true, I guess. Until any single pick by KA has proven a single thing at the NHL level, I remain doubtful. I think we’ll find out soon enough, like 2-4 years. Oof, The Grand Pyramids took less time to build. 1 Quote
Stoner Posted July 23, 2022 Report Posted July 23, 2022 On 7/23/2022 at 1:24 PM, SwampD said: Well, they drafted Power, so this must be true, I guess. Until any single pick by KA has proven a single thing at the NHL level, I remain doubtful. I think we’ll find out soon enough, like 2-4 years. Oof, The Grand Pyramids took less time to build. Expand Exactly. You haven't drafted better until you're... better. The bar is set deliberately low by the franchise and those vested in "being right" about young players. 1 1 Quote
LGR4GM Posted July 23, 2022 Report Posted July 23, 2022 On 7/23/2022 at 1:24 PM, SwampD said: Well, they drafted Power, so this must be true, I guess. Until any single pick by KA has proven a single thing at the NHL level, I remain doubtful. I think we’ll find out soon enough, like 2-4 years. Oof, The Grand Pyramids took less time to build. Expand On 7/23/2022 at 1:33 PM, PASabreFan said: Exactly. You haven't drafted better until you're... better. The bar is set deliberately low by the franchise and those vested in "being right" about young players. Expand Lol. Quote
JohnC Posted July 23, 2022 Report Posted July 23, 2022 On 7/23/2022 at 1:33 PM, PASabreFan said: Exactly. You haven't drafted better until you're... better. The bar is set deliberately low by the franchise and those vested in "being right" about young players. Expand Your logic is very odd. So if high end prospects/players such as Dahlin, Cozens, Quinn etc. are playing on a losing team, then you are questioning their selections even though they have individually or in time demonstrated they can play well in this league? If a team doesn't have adequate goaltending that allows it to be a competitive team does that mean that all the other players are failures? The success of a team shouldn't dictate how every player is evaluated. That makes absolutely no sense. 1 Quote
Curt Posted July 23, 2022 Report Posted July 23, 2022 On 7/23/2022 at 1:24 PM, SwampD said: Well, they drafted Power, so this must be true, I guess. Until any single pick by KA has proven a single thing at the NHL level, I remain doubtful. I think we’ll find out soon enough, like 2-4 years. Oof, The Grand Pyramids took less time to build. Expand On 7/23/2022 at 1:33 PM, PASabreFan said: Exactly. You haven't drafted better until you're... better. The bar is set deliberately low by the franchise and those vested in "being right" about young players. Expand No ***** they haven’t proven anything at the NHL level. That’s pretty much the definition of the word prospect. We are comparing the Sabres’ unproven prospects against the unproven prospects of other teams. That’s what this thread is. Both of you: What is your opinion of the Sabres’ prospect pool compared to other teams’ prospects pools? 1 1 Quote
SwampD Posted July 23, 2022 Report Posted July 23, 2022 On 7/23/2022 at 3:23 PM, Curt said: No ***** they haven’t proven anything at the NHL level. That’s pretty much the definition of the word prospect. We are comparing the Sabres’ unproven prospects against the unproven prospects of other teams. That’s what this thread is. Both of you: What is your opinion of the Sabres’ prospect pool compared to other teams’ prospects pools? Expand I put them around 7th. 😂 Quote
Curt Posted July 23, 2022 Report Posted July 23, 2022 On 7/23/2022 at 3:32 PM, SwampD said: I put them around 7th. 😂 Expand Which teams’ prospect pools would you place ahead of them? Quote
Flashsabre Posted July 23, 2022 Report Posted July 23, 2022 On 7/23/2022 at 4:02 PM, Curt said: Which teams’ prospect pools would you place ahead of them? Expand He has no idea what he is talking about. He just wants to be negative to be negative. Quote
Stoner Posted July 23, 2022 Report Posted July 23, 2022 On 7/23/2022 at 3:23 PM, Curt said: No ***** they haven’t proven anything at the NHL level. That’s pretty much the definition of the word prospect. We are comparing the Sabres’ unproven prospects against the unproven prospects of other teams. That’s what this thread is. Both of you: What is your opinion of the Sabres’ prospect pool compared to other teams’ prospects pools? Expand This would require everyone in this thread to independently study hundreds of prospects. It ain't happening. Any ranking of prospects here is fundamentally dishonest. Quote
Stoner Posted July 23, 2022 Report Posted July 23, 2022 On 7/23/2022 at 3:17 PM, JohnC said: Your logic is very odd. So if high end prospects/players such as Dahlin, Cozens, Quinn etc. are playing on a losing team, then you are questioning their selections even though they have individually or in time demonstrated they can play well in this league? If a team doesn't have adequate goaltending that allows it to be a competitive team does that mean that all the other players are failures? The success of a team shouldn't dictate how every player is evaluated. That makes absolutely no sense. Expand That's exactly how you evaluate players. You care about evaluating individual players bc the NHL left Buffalo in 2012. Again, how sad. 1 Quote
Stoner Posted July 23, 2022 Report Posted July 23, 2022 Also... "Play well in this league" is an incomplete grade without playoff context. IMHO. 1 Quote
Curt Posted July 23, 2022 Report Posted July 23, 2022 (edited) On 7/23/2022 at 5:12 PM, PASabreFan said: This would require everyone in this thread to independently study hundreds of prospects. It ain't happening. Any ranking of prospects here is fundamentally dishonest. Expand No one on this forum ever knows what they they are talking about. Truthfully. That’s not a prerequisite to having a discussion here. You could literally go into any thread here and tell everyone that they don’t what they are talking about.......and you would be correct! Being a long time poster here, you must understand this! No one on this forum needs you to tell them whether or not they are qualified to have a discussion about this or that topic. Edited July 23, 2022 by Curt 2 Quote
Stoner Posted July 23, 2022 Report Posted July 23, 2022 On 7/23/2022 at 5:23 PM, Curt said: No one on this forum ever knows what they they are talking about. Truthfully. That’s not a prerequisite to having a discussion here. You could literally go into any thread here and tell everyone that they don’t what they are talking about.......and you would be correct! Being a long time poster here, you must understand this! No one on this forum needs you to tell them whether or not they are qualified to have a discussion about this or that topic. Expand That's honest anyway. 1 Quote
JohnC Posted July 23, 2022 Report Posted July 23, 2022 On 7/23/2022 at 5:15 PM, PASabreFan said: That's exactly how you evaluate players. You care about evaluating individual players bc the NHL left Buffalo in 2012. Again, how sad. Expand I say this with no hostility but I don't know what the heck you are talking about. Quote
LGR4GM Posted July 23, 2022 Report Posted July 23, 2022 On 7/23/2022 at 5:12 PM, PASabreFan said: This would require everyone in this thread to independently study hundreds of prospects. It ain't happening. Any ranking of prospects here is fundamentally dishonest. Expand On 7/23/2022 at 5:15 PM, PASabreFan said: That's exactly how you evaluate players. You care about evaluating individual players bc the NHL left Buffalo in 2012. Again, how sad. Expand On 7/23/2022 at 5:19 PM, PASabreFan said: Also... "Play well in this league" is an incomplete grade without playoff context. IMHO. Expand If you don't want to talk about players who haven't played in the league, aka prospects, why are you derailing a thread about it? Quote
GrassValleyGreg Posted July 23, 2022 Report Posted July 23, 2022 Man this thread has sucked for the last couple of pages. PA you made whatever point you’re trying to make. Let’s move on. 1 Quote
Stoner Posted July 23, 2022 Report Posted July 23, 2022 On 7/23/2022 at 6:45 PM, GrassValleyGreg said: Man this thread has sucked for the last couple of pages. PA you made whatever point you’re trying to make. Let’s move on. Expand Fair. I'm not stopping anyone from talking about prospects. Quote
LGR4GM Posted July 23, 2022 Report Posted July 23, 2022 On 7/23/2022 at 7:11 PM, PASabreFan said: Fair. I'm not stopping anyone from talking about prospects. Expand Ahh, the Tucker Carlson defense. Ask a bad faith question (how do we know our prospects are even good in the nhl?), follow it up with a reinforcing statement to make your premise seem logical (they haven't been good or even played in the playoffs), follow that with a statement that no one can answer your original question which then makes your ideas seem true because they can't be questioned (no one has studied the 100s of prospects) then when the flaw in the question is exposed (prospects don't play in the playoffs) plead innocence like you're just asking a question not harming the conversation by using unrealistic nonsense to twist the conversation to your true point (you think the fans and franchise have low nhl standards "how sad" you said, which has little to do with discussing prospects). Textbook. And you successfully derailed the thread. Bravo. Notice how the goalposts move to get you to the NHL team isn't good by constantly manipulation of what a prospect is. Just, chefs kiss, perfect manipulation of the topic. 1 Quote
Stoner Posted July 23, 2022 Report Posted July 23, 2022 On 7/23/2022 at 8:07 PM, LGR4GM said: Ahh, the Tucker Carlson defense. Ask a bad faith question (how do we know our prospects are even good in the nhl?), follow it up with a reinforcing statement to make your premise seem logical (they haven't been good or even played in the playoffs), follow that with a statement that no one can answer your original question which then makes your ideas seem true because they can't be questioned (no one has studied the 100s of prospects) then when the flaw in the question is exposed (prospects don't play in the playoffs) plead innocence like you're just asking a question not harming the conversation by using unrealistic nonsense to twist the conversation to your true point (you think the fans and franchise have low nhl standards "how sad" you said, which has little to do with discussing prospects). Textbook. And you successfully derailed the thread. Bravo. Notice how the goalposts move to get you to the NHL team isn't good by constantly manipulation of what a prospect is. Just, chefs kiss, perfect manipulation of the topic. Expand Seriously, go talk about prospects. I'll be in the GDT. If anybody needs directions, PM me. Quote
Derrico Posted July 23, 2022 Report Posted July 23, 2022 On 7/23/2022 at 5:12 PM, PASabreFan said: Any ranking of prospects here is fundamentally dishonest. Expand This can’t be the term you were intending. How is someone’s ranking of prospects ‘fundamentally dishonest’? 1 Quote
JohnC Posted July 23, 2022 Report Posted July 23, 2022 On 7/23/2022 at 5:12 PM, PASabreFan said: This would require everyone in this thread to independently study hundreds of prospects. It ain't happening. Any ranking of prospects here is fundamentally dishonest. Expand Quinn was voted rookie of the year in the AHL. JJ Peterka was voted on the all-AHL rookie team. They both are ranked high as prospects by people who follow the AHL. So you may consider this a dishonest ranking but I don't. https://buffalonews.com/sports/sabres/sabres-jack-quinn-named-ahl-rookie-of-the-year-after-dynamic-season-with-amerks/article_5d4a1bfa-c7f0-11ec-937a-5bc57bec6c24.html Quote
LGR4GM Posted July 23, 2022 Report Posted July 23, 2022 On 7/23/2022 at 8:29 PM, PASabreFan said: Seriously, go talk about prospects. I'll be in the GDT. If anybody needs directions, PM me. Expand If you wanna talk about how Savoie won't be as good as Kasper, I'll listen all day. Or how our prospect pool lacks X. Any of that. But I don't think it's dishonest of anyone to talk about this pool favorably or not. Quote
Curt Posted July 23, 2022 Report Posted July 23, 2022 On 7/23/2022 at 9:29 PM, Derrico said: This can’t be the term you were intending. How is someone’s ranking of prospects ‘fundamentally dishonest’? Expand Because we aren’t educated enough to discuss it, obviously. Quote
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