Buffalonill Posted July 12, 2022 Report Posted July 12, 2022 https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/stars/2022/07/11/stars-notebook-ben-bishop-returns-to-dallas-in-an-informal-capacity-as-a-coach/ How he's under a contract with buffalo? Quote
PromoTheRobot Posted July 12, 2022 Report Posted July 12, 2022 What does that do to our cap hit? Quote
apuszczalowski Posted July 12, 2022 Report Posted July 12, 2022 ithink this happened in another similar case where a players contract was with one team, but since they were 'retired' they went to work for their old team Quote
LGR4GM Posted July 12, 2022 Report Posted July 12, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 1:36 PM, Buffalonill said: https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/stars/2022/07/11/stars-notebook-ben-bishop-returns-to-dallas-in-an-informal-capacity-as-a-coach/ How he's under a contract with buffalo? Expand On 7/12/2022 at 1:39 PM, PromoTheRobot said: What does that do to our cap hit? Expand This has been spoken too multiple times by tons of posters. Bishop is on LTIR, he will never play again in the NHL. All we did was trade for a caphit on paper, Bishop was never going to set foot in Buffalo unless he had to to verify the LTIR part of it. It was and will always be a transaction on paper only in which we get to add 4.9 million to our cap. Now we never need to think about Bishop again, he's simply a piece of paper that says we have 4.9mil added to the cap. 1 Quote
The Jokeman Posted July 12, 2022 Report Posted July 12, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 1:40 PM, apuszczalowski said: ithink this happened in another similar case where a players contract was with one team, but since they were 'retired' they went to work for their old team Expand and Bishop retired on December 14th of last year so there shouldn't be an issue here. Quote
The Jokeman Posted July 12, 2022 Report Posted July 12, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 2:02 PM, LGR4GM said: This has been spoken too multiple times by tons of posters. Bishop is on LTIR, he will never play again in the NHL. All we did was trade for a caphit on paper, Bishop was never going to set foot in Buffalo unless he had to to verify the LTIR part of it. It was and will always be a transaction on paper only in which we get to add 4.9 million to our cap. Now we never need to think about Bishop again, he's simply a piece of paper that says we have 4.9mil added to the cap. Expand Same thing as we did when traded "for Johnny Boychuk" last year after we moved Eichel and had to get to the salary floor. Quote
Buffalonill Posted July 12, 2022 Author Report Posted July 12, 2022 It's not like we don't need help lol Quote
Digger Posted July 13, 2022 Report Posted July 13, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 1:40 PM, apuszczalowski said: ithink this happened in another similar case where a players contract was with one team, but since they were 'retired' they went to work for their old team Expand Chris Pronger is the one that I remember as being an eye opener from a few years back (link below). https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2226616-why-the-nhl-made-the-wrong-move-by-hiring-chris-pronger Quote
apuszczalowski Posted July 13, 2022 Report Posted July 13, 2022 On 7/13/2022 at 2:40 AM, Digger said: Chris Pronger is the one that I remember as being an eye opener from a few years back (link below). https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2226616-why-the-nhl-made-the-wrong-move-by-hiring-chris-pronger Expand thats who I was thinking of, went back to Philly and took a front office job Quote
apuszczalowski Posted July 13, 2022 Report Posted July 13, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 2:02 PM, LGR4GM said: This has been spoken too multiple times by tons of posters. Bishop is on LTIR, he will never play again in the NHL. All we did was trade for a caphit on paper, Bishop was never going to set foot in Buffalo unless he had to to verify the LTIR part of it. It was and will always be a transaction on paper only in which we get to add 4.9 million to our cap. Now we never need to think about Bishop again, he's simply a piece of paper that says we have 4.9mil added to the cap. Expand I think everyone understands this, just seems odd that the league allows a team to trade away a retired players rights just for the salary cap hit, and then that player can still go an take another job with a different team in the league Quote
gilbert11 Posted July 13, 2022 Report Posted July 13, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 2:02 PM, LGR4GM said: This has been spoken too multiple times by tons of posters. Bishop is on LTIR, he will never play again in the NHL. All we did was trade for a caphit on paper, Bishop was never going to set foot in Buffalo unless he had to to verify the LTIR part of it. It was and will always be a transaction on paper only in which we get to add 4.9 million to our cap. Now we never need to think about Bishop again, he's simply a piece of paper that says we have 4.9mil added to the cap. Expand It’s kind of pathetic that they do deals like this instead of actually paying for a decent player to win games. 2 Quote
LGR4GM Posted July 13, 2022 Report Posted July 13, 2022 On 7/13/2022 at 4:21 AM, gilbert11 said: It’s kind of pathetic that they do deals like this instead of actually paying for a decent player to win games. Expand I love ppl who say stuff like this. Adams has told you repeatedly what he is doing and yet you still say stuff like this. Go look at the Sabres RFAs in 2023 and then come back. On 7/13/2022 at 4:09 AM, apuszczalowski said: I think everyone understands this, just seems odd that the league allows a team to trade away a retired players rights just for the salary cap hit, and then that player can still go an take another job with a different team in the league Expand Why do you care? Not our money, not our league. I don't give a crap what Ben Bishop does because he was a transaction on paper only. Quote
apuszczalowski Posted July 13, 2022 Report Posted July 13, 2022 On 7/13/2022 at 12:49 PM, LGR4GM said: I love ppl who say stuff like this. Adams has told you repeatedly what he is doing and yet you still say stuff like this. Go look at the Sabres RFAs in 2023 and then come back. Why do you care? Not our money, not our league. I don't give a crap what Ben Bishop does because he was a transaction on paper only. Expand Exactly, why do any of us care that they trade for a contract so they can get closer to the salary floor so they can continue to field a bottom tier NHL team while we wait for prospects to develop and (hopefully) one day become a dynasty instead of using that money/cap space to maybe improve the team now. But atleast they will have a ton of cap room to re-sign the RFAs that maybe will have the team poised to possibly be a playoff contending team in 2025...... Quote
dudacek Posted September 21, 2022 Report Posted September 21, 2022 On 9/21/2022 at 4:37 PM, Brawndo said: Expand Wow. Very much unlike the NHL. Quote
Doohicksie Posted September 21, 2022 Report Posted September 21, 2022 I was wondering about that... It does sound like a conflict of interest, not to mention "double dipping." 1 Quote
SwampD Posted September 21, 2022 Report Posted September 21, 2022 When does his contract run out with Buff? The day the Sabres are no longer paying for another team’s retired player, is the day I will believe they are actually trying to win. 1 Quote
Taro T Posted September 21, 2022 Report Posted September 21, 2022 On 9/21/2022 at 5:03 PM, SwampD said: When does his contract run out with Buff? The day the Sabres are no longer paying for another team’s retired player, is the day I will believe they are actually trying to win. Expand He stops getting paid at the end of the regular season. The contract ends ~ Jun 30 (whatever the last day of the league year is & 1 day before FA opens up; traditionally the 1st day of the new league year is July 1; it hasn't been the last 2 years). Quote
apuszczalowski Posted September 22, 2022 Report Posted September 22, 2022 On 9/21/2022 at 4:49 PM, Doohickie said: I was wondering about that... It does sound like a conflict of interest, not to mention "double dipping." Expand I agree If he wants to join another teams front office, he should have to sign his retirement papers first if he's under contract with another team. Until then, he is still a player under contract and should be allowed to work for another team while on LTIR. If the Stars wanted him to work with their front office, then they shouldn't have been able to trade him (or essentially his contract) away. When his contract is over at the end of the league year in summer of 2023, he will be a FA and can take a coaching/front office/playing job anywhere he wants since he isn't signed to a team anymore. Or officially retire from the league as a player, but I believe that would affect the Stars Cap. If they really want him in the front office, maybe the Sabres, Stars and the league can allow a deal to be worked out that the Sabres send Bishop back to Dallas to work, keep his player contract, and they send us Robertson as a thank you....... 1 Quote
FogBat Posted September 26, 2022 Report Posted September 26, 2022 On 7/13/2022 at 4:09 AM, apuszczalowski said: I think everyone understands this, just seems odd that the league allows a team to trade away a retired players rights just for the salary cap hit, and then that player can still go an take another job with a different team in the league Expand I’ll be the first to admit that I have no clue how CBAs work. A lot of you guys are much better versed on these things than I am. Having said that, it seems to me that with the way it worked out, there weren’t any issues that would have been cause for legal and ethical concerns. Right? Wrong? Yes? No? BTW, I am not asking for a friend. Quote
Doohicksie Posted September 27, 2022 Report Posted September 27, 2022 On 9/26/2022 at 11:51 PM, FogBat said: BTW, I am not asking for a friend. Expand Do you have friends? 1 Quote
thewookie1 Posted September 27, 2022 Report Posted September 27, 2022 On 9/21/2022 at 5:01 PM, Brawndo said: Expand While odd, Pronger got a waiver essentially due to him working for the league not a singular team. Likewise he had no loyalty to Arizona so his conflict of interest there would be negligible. (Plus it helped Arizona stay cap compliant) Quote
PerreaultForever Posted September 27, 2022 Report Posted September 27, 2022 I could be wrong about this, but if he retired, the Sabres do not have to pay him his contract and he can work wherever he wants. The money against the cap for the Sabres is only on paper. They aren't actually paying him at all. Quote
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