French Collection Posted June 12, 2023 Report Posted June 12, 2023 12 minutes ago, Flashsabre said: Sudbury had a coaching change and Musty took off afterwards. Completely different player. Wouldn’t be angry if he was the pick. I think he had mono at the start of the season so that would lead to a sluggish start. 1 Quote
French Collection Posted June 12, 2023 Report Posted June 12, 2023 TSN’s Craig Button out with his final top 100. I find his picks are often out of alignment with what actually happens. He is not afraid to take a swing on some guys. https://www.tsn.ca/craig-s-list-plenty-of-intrigue-surrounding-matvei-michkov-ahead-of-nhl-draft-1.1972205 Quote
dudacek Posted June 12, 2023 Report Posted June 12, 2023 22 minutes ago, French Collection said: TSN’s Craig Button out with his final top 100. I find his picks are often out of alignment with what actually happens. He is not afraid to take a swing on some guys. https://www.tsn.ca/craig-s-list-plenty-of-intrigue-surrounding-matvei-michkov-ahead-of-nhl-draft-1.1972205 I don't buy in to the idea that Button is pushing clickbait, or doesn't have a clue, with his "out-there" picks. Every individual scout and every individual team will have players they rank that vary wildly from the consensus. Just once I'd like to be able to compare actual team lists. I bet you will see "consensus 10-15" pick Matthew Wood (for example) ranked 7th or 8th in some places and 27th or 28th in others. Other than at the very top, variations in evaluations are normal. Quote
French Collection Posted June 12, 2023 Report Posted June 12, 2023 So after looking at almost 30 different mock drafts, I think it is a safe bet that 8 guys will not be available at 13. Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson, Michkov, Smith, Benson, Leonard and Dvorsky should be gone. There is a slight chance someone from the last 5 falls but I doubt it. 4 from the next group of 14 will be taken before the Sabres pick. I’ve listed them in the average ranking they got from the mock drafts I have looked at. Moore, Sandin-Pellikka, Reinbacher, Wood, Barlow, Perreault, Danielson, Sale, Yager, Simashev, Cristall, Willander, Honzek and Musty. My order of preference for the Sabres would be: Simashev, big Dman that skates very well. Moore, fast, 200’ C. Reinbacher, big RHD, could be a long term 4D. Could come to the Amerks right away. Perreault, super skilled W, broke Matthews’ USNDTP records but skating needs work. Musty, big skilled W whose stock has been rising. Sabres fan. Barlow, big winger with a good shot. Wallinder, good all round Swedish RHD. Wood, big scoring winger who needs to work on his skating. Quote
French Collection Posted June 12, 2023 Report Posted June 12, 2023 8 minutes ago, dudacek said: I don't buy in to the idea that Button is pushing clickbait, or doesn't have a clue, with his "out-there" picks. Every individual scout and every individual team will have players they rank that vary wildly from the consensus. Just once I'd like to be able to compare actual team lists. I bet you will see "consensus 10-15" pick Matthew Wood (for example) ranked 7th or 8th in some places and 27th or 28th in others. Other than at the very top, variations in evaluations are normal. I’m sure there are scouts that are way higher or lower than the consensus. I find Button hasn’t changed his rankings much as the hockey season has wound down. His lists from April/May are almost identical. I like looking at the last 50 names or so, he has a few guys that no other mocks have. He also has Benson and Leonard outside the top 10 and Sandin-Pellikka at 5, which I don’t think happens. Quote
Flashsabre Posted June 12, 2023 Report Posted June 12, 2023 My dad found the 2017 Hockey News draft preview at his place and gave it to me last night. Looking through it I was blown away by how many guys just never make it at all and how bad the rankings look 5-6 years later. They had Mitts 4th and Makar 5th. And nolan Patrick has to be one of the big draft busts of all time. Injuries just shredded his career. Just hope your scouts are good at their jobs. The last couple drafts are looking promising for Buffalo. Quote
Flashsabre Posted June 12, 2023 Report Posted June 12, 2023 https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/scouts-analysis-observations-from-the-2023-nhl-draft-combine/ 1 Quote
LGR4GM Posted June 12, 2023 Report Posted June 12, 2023 34 minutes ago, Flashsabre said: My dad found the 2017 Hockey News draft preview at his place and gave it to me last night. Looking through it I was blown away by how many guys just never make it at all and how bad the rankings look 5-6 years later. They had Mitts 4th and Makar 5th. And nolan Patrick has to be one of the big draft busts of all time. Injuries just shredded his career. Just hope your scouts are good at their jobs. The last couple drafts are looking promising for Buffalo. It is like on draft night 2022 when I am sitting there watching Kulich just slide and slide and slide. I couldn't believe it when he was still there at 28. Teams IMPO tend to have too many voices and also they tend to have "this is what makes a good NHL'er" attitude that often doesn't reflect reality. Guys that show up at the u18s get overdrafted because they were good for 7-8 games, where guys who were good all year in their jr leagues slide down because scouts don't see "progress". I think I have my top 32 done. It looks different than Buttons. Pellikka at 5 is a thing you could do, you shouldn't, but you could. 1 Quote
Carmel Corn Posted June 12, 2023 Report Posted June 12, 2023 (edited) On 6/12/2023 at 2:14 PM, LGR4GM said: It is like on draft night 2022 when I am sitting there watching Kulich just slide and slide and slide. I couldn't believe it when he was still there at 28. Teams IMPO tend to have too many voices and also they tend to have "this is what makes a good NHL'er" attitude that often doesn't reflect reality. Guys that show up at the u18s get overdrafted because they were good for 7-8 games, where guys who were good all year in their jr leagues slide down because scouts don't see "progress". I think I have my top 32 done. It looks different than Buttons. Pellikka at 5 is a thing you could do, you shouldn't, but you could. It was very interesting to see the efforts GMKA went through to try and move up and take Kulich after they drafted Östlund. Sometimes it is nice to get what you want without having to give up as much as you were willing to in order to get it. Edited June 13, 2023 by Carmel Corn 2 Quote
LGR4GM Posted June 12, 2023 Report Posted June 12, 2023 12 minutes ago, Flashsabre said: https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/scouts-analysis-observations-from-the-2023-nhl-draft-combine/ My appreciation of Matthew Wood went up. “If a scout who came to watch me play thinks I’m inconsistent, not fast enough, or don’t compete, they should get another job.” I don't think Wood is fast or agile enough yet. That said, he is consistent and does compete. Also Calum Ritchie played the year with a torn labrum? WHAT? Omg, I probably need to move him up the board. That is insane especially if you go watch some of his stuff. He's probably not going to be a Sabre but I just enjoy the way he plays hockey. 1 Quote
French Collection Posted June 12, 2023 Report Posted June 12, 2023 9 minutes ago, Flashsabre said: Too bad VO is not a guy Torts would use. Could package him, UPL and a draft pick(s) for Hart and Laughton. Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted June 12, 2023 Report Posted June 12, 2023 My consensus Board is really shaping up. 1. Bedard 2. Fantilli 3-7. Michkov, Carlsson, Smith, Benson and Leonard Gap to 8 8-11. Pellikka, Moore, Dvorsky, Reinbacher Gap to 12 12-18. Barlow, Danielson, Perreault, Simashev, Cristall, Wood, Sale Gap to 19 19-26. Musty, Honzek, Yager, Brindley, Stenberg, Williander, Gulyaev, Heidt gap to 27 27-28. Ritchie, But Cliff to 29 29-34. Perron, Molgaard, Nadeau, Sawchyn, Dragicevic, Gauthier Gap to 35 35-37. Lardis, Molendyk, Whitelaw 38-48. Edstrom, Ciernik, Hrbael, Stramel, Cagnoni, Wahlberg, Haltunnen, Ziemmer, Bonk, Augustine, Lindstein Gap to 49 49-56. Price, Pinelli, Barkley, Hameenaho, Brzustewicz, Dower-Nilsson, Minnetian, Akey Gap to 57 57-66. Morin, Strbak, Nelson, Kantserov, Bjarnason, Rehkopf, Suniev, Rykov, Cataford, Under Sorum My mock draft - 13. Simashev (unless one of Reinbacher, Moore, or Dvorsky fall to us. 39. Lardis - Only 17 but very fast skater and good hands 45. Bonk - Solid 2-way D 2 Quote
dudacek Posted June 13, 2023 Report Posted June 13, 2023 (edited) Because the Sabres seem more invested than most in Russia: Athletic quotes from anonymous scouts. It’s always hard to project where top Russian prospects will land in a draft, but that’s especially the case since the invasion of Ukraine. We discussed Michkov earlier, but where do the Lokomotiv duo of Daniil But (wing) and Dmitri Simashev (defenseman) go? Both are huge players with intriguing talent. Scout 1: “But should be top 15, wouldn’t surprise me at all if he went in the top 10. You compare him to some of the other big wingers like Samuel Honzek, Quentin Musty or Matthew Wood and he’s better than them for me.” Scout 2: “Simashev is just as good as David Reinbacher as a player for me, probably better, but one obviously has a lot less risk as a draft pick so Reinbacher will likely go ahead. Simashev has top-pair potential in the NHL. He’s a 6-foot-4, clear NHL caliber skating defenseman who is solid defensively and can move the puck well.” Executive 1: “Simashev is a good player. He’s big, can skate and can defend like a pro. The lack of offense does worry me a little bit. If you’re stepping up with a high pick for a player in Russia, you’d like them to be a real player, and there’s a chance you may just be drafting a defensive third-pair guy.” Executive 2: “But is top 10 all day on pure ability. He’s a rare talent, has all the offensive tools, can skate and is massive. Just a matter of when someone is willing to draft him, likely in the first.” Executive 3: “It wouldn’t surprise me if But ended up anywhere in the first round. You saw last year with Danila Yurov those guys could slide to the 20s, but he’s a top 10, if not top 5 talent in this draft, and he could end up going that high too.” Executive 4: “They’re both top 10 talents in the draft. Whether you’re willing to pull that trigger or not high in the draft is another story, but they’re high-echelon players.” Scout 3: “Everyone is going to have a top tier of players, the guys they are confident will have long NHL careers. That group could be 8, 10, 12 players deep depending on your opinion of the draft class. Once all the no-doubters are gone, we start talking about But, because on talent, he belongs in that category. Simashev is a little later for me; closer to 20-25 it starts becoming a serious conversation. Executive 5: “If But was playing in the CHL he would be a top 5 pick, Simashev close to top 10.” Scout 4: “I think both are going to go in the top half of the first round, Russian factor included. They’re just too good.” Edited June 13, 2023 by dudacek 1 Quote
Randall Flagg Posted June 13, 2023 Report Posted June 13, 2023 13 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Still waiting for Lance to give me inside info that isn't the most obvious and pragmatic stuff in existence Hey guys, insiders told me Donny wants the team to win hockey games. He will do what he can to help them do so Has any GM ever not explored the pricing to move up and down in the draft? 1 1 Quote
Sabel79 Posted June 13, 2023 Report Posted June 13, 2023 12 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said: Has any GM ever not explored the pricing to move up and down in the draft? Peter Chiareli in 2015. Actually, given what we know about him, he probably did. Quote
French Collection Posted June 13, 2023 Report Posted June 13, 2023 https://www.nhl.com/news/mock-2023-nhl-draft-connor-bedard-adam-fantilli-top-picks/c-344826764 Two guys that write for NHL.com Quote
Flashsabre Posted June 13, 2023 Report Posted June 13, 2023 17 minutes ago, French Collection said: https://www.nhl.com/news/mock-2023-nhl-draft-connor-bedard-adam-fantilli-top-picks/c-344826764 Two guys that write for NHL.com One guy has Simashev at the end of the first round and Musty out of the first round. Quote
LGR4GM Posted June 13, 2023 Report Posted June 13, 2023 Juraj Pekarcik, 6'2" 183lbs, LW, Sept 12th bday. If I am Buffalo, this is probably my target at 45. Why? First things first, he is basically a 2024 draft eligible player. For comparison presumptive 2023 1st rounder Nate Danielson (consolidated rank 16) is 350 days older than Juraj. That means you are looking at a guy who is at a distinct disadvantage in terms of age compared to the majority of his class. Now alone this doesn't matter but once we start looking at the player, things get better. You have this kid who is super young, is already 6'2" and he is smart. He makes passes to the high danger areas and prepares defenders to get the passes through. His has some nifty handles, although I think at times he makes 1 move too many. His skating is fine, average for the NHL but I think it will get better. When you watch him, he looks like a 17yr old kid at times with a bit of that uncoordinated limb movement. With his size though, I think added strength will tighten up his skating and make his edges more dangerous. His shot is good and added strength could make it a major asset but it does need some refinement. Now being younger it could mean he is a bit differential to others but nope. He engages in the offensive zone and that includes forechecking. His physical game is solid as well, he uses his body to help separate opponents from the puck. I like his motor the best as he never seems to take shifts off but is always looking for plays both in the offensive zone and when on defense. The bottom line is you are getting a really raw prospect who at the u18s really showed that he can keep up or even outplay a guy like Dalibor Dvorsky. Dvorsky will probably go top 10 if not top 15. He has all the tools and the toolbox to be a top 6 forward in the NHL and I think at worst you get a solid 3rd line guy. I like Juraj Pekarcik and would be excited if Buffalo drafted him. His age, skills, and motor make me excited for his future and I think he could be an under the radar pick. 5 Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted June 14, 2023 Report Posted June 14, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, LGR4GM said: Juraj Pekarcik, 6'2" 183lbs, LW, Sept 12th bday. If I am Buffalo, this is probably my target at 45. Why? First things first, he is basically a 2024 draft eligible player. For comparison presumptive 2023 1st rounder Nate Danielson (consolidated rank 16) is 350 days older than Juraj. That means you are looking at a guy who is at a distinct disadvantage in terms of age compared to the majority of his class. Now alone this doesn't matter but once we start looking at the player, things get better. You have this kid who is super young, is already 6'2" and he is smart. He makes passes to the high danger areas and prepares defenders to get the passes through. His has some nifty handles, although I think at times he makes 1 move too many. His skating is fine, average for the NHL but I think it will get better. When you watch him, he looks like a 17yr old kid at times with a bit of that uncoordinated limb movement. With his size though, I think added strength will tighten up his skating and make his edges more dangerous. His shot is good and added strength could make it a major asset but it does need some refinement. Now being younger it could mean he is a bit differential to others but nope. He engages in the offensive zone and that includes forechecking. His physical game is solid as well, he uses his body to help separate opponents from the puck. I like his motor the best as he never seems to take shifts off but is always looking for plays both in the offensive zone and when on defense. The bottom line is you are getting a really raw prospect who at the u18s really showed that he can keep up or even outplay a guy like Dalibor Dvorsky. Dvorsky will probably go top 10 if not top 15. He has all the tools and the toolbox to be a top 6 forward in the NHL and I think at worst you get a solid 3rd line guy. I like Juraj Pekarcik and would be excited if Buffalo drafted him. His age, skills, and motor make me excited for his future and I think he could be an under the radar pick. He'll be available in the 3rd, although I agree he was excellent at the World U18s. Of the 12 rankings I've looked at with 100+ players, Juraj has only been listed in the top 100 in 4 of the rankings. The only people who gave him at or near second round consideration were Button at 39 and Wheeler at 67. He currently sits 103rd on my consensus board. Nick Lardis, who is also very young in this class, has a much better pedigree and with a little luck, he'll be available to us at 39 and possibly 45. He had a great run with Hamilton in the second half of the season and put up 10 points in 6 playoffs games. He is a pure scorer. Edited June 14, 2023 by GASabresIUFAN Quote
LGR4GM Posted June 14, 2023 Report Posted June 14, 2023 Nick Lardis is ranked ahead of Juraj on my board. Also, I'm not actually bothered by what the consolidated is on a player. Quote
Crusader1969 Posted June 14, 2023 Author Report Posted June 14, 2023 (edited) https://theathletic.com/4596610/2023/06/09/golden-knights-defense-lebrun/ Tampa and now Vegas are the blueprints. unless your 5-10” Dman qbs your power play there is no room for him on the team. In other words, do what you need to do. Move up in the draft, use pick 13 or trade down but no matter what draft Simashev! You want every Dman you put out there 6’3 or taller Edited June 14, 2023 by Crusader1969 Quote
French Collection Posted June 14, 2023 Report Posted June 14, 2023 Ryan Kennedy from The Hockey News top 120 list. https://apple.news/AgkjVADkUQtODf1AbkaG4-g Quote
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