Sabres Prospects 2022-2023

[Thorner]

1 hour ago, LabattBlue said:

Small sample size so far this season, but Savoie's points per game numbers are down.  As a year older in the same league, I'd expect them to go up, not down.  Hopefully just a slow start.

 

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=227300

Probably boredom 

Edited November 8, 2022 by Thorny

[shrader]

4 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

Small sample size so far this season, but Savoie's points per game numbers are down.  As a year older in the same league, I'd expect them to go up, not down.  Hopefully just a slow start.

 

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=227300

His points per game from last year (1.38) would project out to 16.6 points over the 12 games he’s played so far this year. So that’s either 16 or 17 points. He has 15 points on the year. Is that really a meaningful drop?

[GASabresIUFAN]

12 hours ago, shrader said:

His points per game from last year (1.38) would project out to 16.6 points over the 12 games he’s played so far this year. So that’s either 16 or 17 points. He has 15 points on the year. Is that really a meaningful drop?

Nope and I wouldn’t read to much into it.  Also Reinhart’s numbers dropped the year after the draft in juniors.  Some results are dependent on the quality of linemates and the team. Also the marching orders from the Sabres development coaches may influence how he plays.  For example the Sabres maybe asking him to work on his back checking and his overall 2 way game.  

Edited November 9, 2022 by GASabresIUFAN

[LGR4GM]

 

[inkman]

 

[Curt]

On 11/10/2022 at 8:52 AM, LGR4GM said:

 

I’m pleasantly surprised by how well Rosén seems to be doing.

[GASabresIUFAN]

So how are our prospects doing so far?

Goalies

Levi, NCAA - 11g 6-2-3, 1.88 .941

Portillo, NCAA - 10g 8-2, 2.59 .909 (2.14 .926 last year)

Leinonen, Sm-Liiga - 8g 3.08 .841

UPL, AHL - 9g  6-3 3.07 .898

Defense

Novikov, KHL - 28 gm 1g 0a 1pt

Lindgren, WHL - 14 gm 1g 4a 5pts (significant drop in production so far)

Komarov, QMJHL - 17gm 1g 12a 13 pts (had 19 last year in 60 games)

Johnson, NCAA - 12gm 0g 7a 7pts

High End Forwards (1st & 2nd rd picks)

Savoie, WHL - 15gm 7g 13a 20pts (1.33 pts/gm - down slightly from 1.39 last year)

Östlund, SWE1, 16gm 2g 9a 11pts

Kulich, AHL - 13gm 2g 6a 8 pts

Rosen, AHL - 13gm 2g 7a 9 pts

Kisakov, AHL - 9gm 2g 1a 3 pts

Poltapov, KHL - no stats (IR?)

Older Forward Prospects

Biro (24) AHL, 13gm 3g 9a 12 pts

Weissbach (24) AHL, 13gm 6g 5a 11 pts

Rousek (23) AHL, 13gm 4g 7a 11 pts

Other Forward Prospects of note

Cederqvist AHL - 13gm 2g 5a 7pts

Kozak AHL - 13gm 1g 2a 3pts

Neuchev KHL - 28gm 3g 3a 6pts

Richard USHL - 13gm 7g 5a 12pts

Karlson SWEJr - 21gm 8g 12a 20pts

Ratkovic-Berndtsson SWEJr - 13gm 7g 4a 11pts

Bloom OHL - 19gm 7g 9a 16pts

Nadeau QMJHL - IR

Saradarian, Huglen and Costantini not doing much in college so far. 

Honestly the one guy popping off the screen as taking a big step forward so far is Komarov.  Kulich and Rosen started hot, but have cooled of late.  

 

 

[Buffalonill]

18 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

So how are our prospects doing so far?

Goalies

Levi, NCAA - 11g 6-2-3, 1.88 .941

Portillo, NCAA - 10g 8-2, 2.59 .909 (2.14 .926 last year)

Leinonen, Sm-Liiga - 8g 3.08 .841

UPL, AHL - 9g  6-3 3.07 .898

Defense

Novikov, KHL - 28 gm 1g 0a 1pt

Lindgren, WHL - 14 gm 1g 4a 5pts (significant drop in production so far)

Komarov, QMJHL - 17gm 1g 12a 13 pts (had 19 last year in 60 games)

Johnson, NCAA - 12gm 0g 7a 7pts

High End Forwards (1st & 2nd rd picks)

Savoie, WHL - 15gm 7g 13a 20pts (1.33 pts/gm - down slightly from 1.39 last year)

Östlund, SWE1, 16gm 2g 9a 11pts

Kulich, AHL - 13gm 2g 6a 8 pts

Rosen, AHL - 13gm 2g 7a 9 pts

Kisakov, AHL - 9gm 2g 1a 3 pts

Poltapov, KHL - no stats (IR?)

Older Forward Prospects

Biro (24) AHL, 13gm 3g 9a 12 pts

Weissbach (24) AHL, 13gm 6g 5a 11 pts

Rousek (23) AHL, 13gm 4g 7a 11 pts

Other Forward Prospects of note

Cederqvist AHL - 13gm 2g 5a 7pts

Kozak AHL - 13gm 1g 2a 3pts

Neuchev KHL - 28gm 3g 3a 6pts

Richard USHL - 13gm 7g 5a 12pts

Karlson SWEJr - 21gm 8g 12a 20pts

Ratkovic-Berndtsson SWEJr - 13gm 7g 4a 11pts

Bloom OHL - 19gm 7g 9a 16pts

Nadeau QMJHL - IR

Saradarian, Huglen and Costantini not doing much in college so far. 

Honestly the one guy popping off the screen as taking a big step forward so far is Komarov.  Kulich and Rosen started hot, but have cooled of late.  

 

 

 That's quite concerning 

[SwampD]

G-A-P tells me nothing about a defenseman on whether he is good or not.

[GASabresIUFAN]

25 minutes ago, Buffalonill said:

 That's quite concerning 

Sort of. He isn’t part of the plan for another 3-4 years anyway.  I’m more concerned with Lindgren.  An offensive D who isn’t scoring isn’t a good thing.

That said, excited about Komarov uptick.  He may project as a D first player in the NHL, but it’s nice to see he can contribute.  I was also hoping that Bloom would continue to blossom and become a dominate player in the O.  His numbers are basically on par with last year.

Edited November 14, 2022 by GASabresIUFAN

[Curt]

On 11/14/2022 at 10:59 AM, Buffalonill said:

 That's quite concerning 

Kinda, but he is a 18 year old goalie in the 5th(?) best hockey league in the world.  He is many years from the NHL.  All about potential at this point.

[LGR4GM]

On 11/14/2022 at 10:59 AM, Buffalonill said:

 That's quite concerning 

I would be concerned if I didn't already assume that pick was wasted desperation forced through by someone on the scouting staff. Analytically, Leinonen was a terrible pick in the early 2nd round. 

On 11/14/2022 at 10:48 AM, GASabresIUFAN said:

So how are our prospects doing so far?

Goalies

Levi, NCAA - 11g 6-2-3, 1.88 .941

Portillo, NCAA - 10g 8-2, 2.59 .909 (2.14 .926 last year)

Leinonen, Sm-Liiga - 8g 3.08 .841

UPL, AHL - 9g  6-3 3.07 .898

Defense

Novikov, KHL - 28 gm 1g 0a 1pt

Lindgren, WHL - 14 gm 1g 4a 5pts (significant drop in production so far)

Komarov, QMJHL - 17gm 1g 12a 13 pts (had 19 last year in 60 games)

Johnson, NCAA - 12gm 0g 7a 7pts

High End Forwards (1st & 2nd rd picks)

Savoie, WHL - 15gm 7g 13a 20pts (1.33 pts/gm - down slightly from 1.39 last year)

Östlund, SWE1, 16gm 2g 9a 11pts

Kulich, AHL - 13gm 2g 6a 8 pts

Rosen, AHL - 13gm 2g 7a 9 pts

Kisakov, AHL - 9gm 2g 1a 3 pts

Poltapov, KHL - no stats (IR?)

Older Forward Prospects

Biro (24) AHL, 13gm 3g 9a 12 pts

Weissbach (24) AHL, 13gm 6g 5a 11 pts

Rousek (23) AHL, 13gm 4g 7a 11 pts

Other Forward Prospects of note

Cederqvist AHL - 13gm 2g 5a 7pts

Kozak AHL - 13gm 1g 2a 3pts

Neuchev KHL - 28gm 3g 3a 6pts

Richard USHL - 13gm 7g 5a 12pts

Karlson SWEJr - 21gm 8g 12a 20pts

Ratkovic-Berndtsson SWEJr - 13gm 7g 4a 11pts

Bloom OHL - 19gm 7g 9a 16pts

Nadeau QMJHL - IR

Saradarian, Huglen and Costantini not doing much in college so far. 

Honestly the one guy popping off the screen as taking a big step forward so far is Komarov.  Kulich and Rosen started hot, but have cooled of late.  

 

 

idk what SWE1 is but it should say Alls for Allsveskan. 

Edited November 15, 2022 by LGR4GM

[LGR4GM]

On 11/14/2022 at 11:08 AM, SwampD said:

G-A-P tells me nothing about a defenseman on whether he is good or not.

Sure it does. If a defender in juniors is bad at getting the puck and getting out of their zone, they won't generate points. It is not the be all end all (see Novikov in the KHL) but it does tell us about their abilities to transition up ice, keep pucks in the offensive zone, and retrieve pucks in the def zone. 

[Buffalonill]

16 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

I would be concerned if I didn't already assume that pick was wasted desperation forced through by someone on the scouting staff. Analytically, Leinonen was a terrible pick in the early 2nd round. 

idk what SWE1 is but it should say Alls for Allsveskan. 

Ugh i forgot he was a 2nd round pick hurts more now 

[French Collection]

Lindgren has dropped off quite a bit offensively.

My take on it is that he is on a new team that has a 20 year old Dman who is their go to guy for PP and ice time. Brent Sutter’s team is going for it all this year and there is no need for Lindgren to take on extra responsibility on a good team. They are probably having him work on his defensive game and the Sabres may have encouraged this as well.

He will be on a winning team and his role should become more important as he gets comfortable and the coaching staff trusts him more. I hope they win the WHL and get to the Memorial Cup, a great experience for a young player.

[SwampD]

39 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Sure it does. If a defender in juniors is bad at getting the puck and getting out of their zone, they won't generate points. It is not the be all end all (see Novikov in the KHL) but it does tell us about their abilities to transition up ice, keep pucks in the offensive zone, and retrieve pucks in the def zone. 

Sure, but barely. I think it’s kinda funny that you can get all that about someone’s defensive play from those three numbers, but you look down your nose at anyone who tries to use +/- and any sort of measure.

[GASabresIUFAN]

2 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

I would be concerned if I didn't already assume that pick was wasted desperation forced through by someone on the scouting staff. Analytically, Leinonen was a terrible pick in the early 2nd round. 

idk what SWE1 is but it should say Alls for Allsveskan. 

SWE1 is the notation hockeydb.com uses for the HockeyAllveskan tier of Swedish hockey.  It looks like Djurgardens IF, Östlund’s team, was relegated from the SHL to SWE1 after last season. 
 

[LGR4GM]

3 hours ago, SwampD said:

Sure, but barely. I think it’s kinda funny that you can get all that about someone’s defensive play from those three numbers, but you look down your nose at anyone who tries to use +/- and any sort of measure.

As I said, it's not the be all end all. 

[dudacek]

On 11/14/2022 at 8:24 AM, GASabresIUFAN said:

Sort of. He isn’t part of the plan for another 3-4 years anyway. 

 

4 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

I would be concerned if I didn't already assume that pick was wasted desperation forced through by someone on the scouting staff. Analytically, Leinonen was a terrible pick in the early 2nd round. 

idk what SWE1 is but it should say Alls for Allsveskan. 

 

4 hours ago, Buffalonill said:

Ugh i forgot he was a 2nd round pick hurts more now 

Missing context:

Leinonen is 3.08 GAA and .841 SV% after a couple rough outings playing parts of 8 games with men in Liiga.

Against his peers in juniors he is 1.71 and .943 in 7 games.

[Brawndo]

 

[LGR4GM]

You know who has quietly been pretty decent this year without much fanfare from this board? Isak Rosen. 

Now I am not here to say he's been fantastic but if he actually gets about 50 points in his first NA AHL season, that is a major step forward for him and we should be encouraged by it. 

[GASabresIUFAN]

6 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

You know who has quietly been pretty decent this year without much fanfare from this board? Isak Rosen. 

Now I am not here to say he's been fantastic but if he actually gets about 50 points in his first NA AHL season, that is a major step forward for him and we should be encouraged by it. 

I’d trade him for a legit D prospect right now.

[LGR4GM]

26 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

I’d trade him for a legit D prospect right now.

Helge Grans! 

[GASabresIUFAN]

2 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Helge Grans! 

Sure.  When you look in our prospect pool, even if Johnson signs, we have no one on defense.  I like the two Russians, but when they get here is anyone's guess and we need guys who can push on and hopefully replace Jokiharju and Bryson sooner then later, since KA is unwilling or unable to bring in good veteran help.

[Brawndo]

Savoie with the Hatty and 3 Assists for a 6 point night